Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Scipio2009]

No, Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night is my point. Whereas he usually weighs above 170 pounds most of the time.

So the possible extra dieting to comfortably make 152lbs had no basis, and you're instead hanging your hat on this mystery rehydration clause? lol

[Real King Kong]

Floyd is no doctor don't hang off a word, like asking a guy how bad is your headache you will get a million different responses, the 750 ml tells me .

Its not so much the volume its the time of 6hrs, its like anything in this world they set standards at the extreme level, like if a steel rod is to support a ton the standard would be for 3 tons.

The point is 750ml for a 150 lb male is not much at all a day before an event, it seems to me half the facts are out and people make up the other half to suit their agenda.

Dehydration is a length of string it varies from mild to life threating, just because IV fluids is used doesn't mean its severe especially when you know the volume was 750ml which is low, in an athlete even very mild dehydration is a concern.

He was also PED tested before the fluids and after.

This whole thing is a witch hunt by haters in a forum, if they have all this hard proof well take it to the relevant people and have something done about it, they don't they just talk sht in forums.

couldn't agree more...I merely question the iv and I get attacked by people who make up their own reasoning why it's all legit, ignore what Floyd himself said, and disregard that usada has since made it illegal.

[Scipio2009]

I made that claim because Canelo Alvarez stated himself that a rehydration clause was imposed on him. Even if I for argument's sake, take the point back about there being a rehydration clause, it doesn't change the fact that there was still a catch weight.

Claiming 'he didn't need a CW' is no more of a valuable claim than me claiming he needed it. The fact that there was a catch weight, is evidence that he more likely needed it than not. Otherwise, the fight wouldn't have taken place at a catch weight.

Skill for skill, Saul Alvarez is a better fighter than Golovkin. Slow feet aside, Alvarez can box/brawl, fight off the back foot, fight inside/mid/long, can catch-and-shoot, can fight off the counter, can bait punch, can fight in combination, and punches well to the head and body.

Alvarez ****ed up when he said he'd come down to 152 to fight Floyd (Floyd rarely gives concessions back to anyone, with only the Cotto fight at 154 standing out), but Alvarez posed a far more complete fighter to figure out than Golovkin seems to pose.

[Bjl12]

This whole post is just condoning Floyd not going out on shield and cherry picking to preserve unbeaten record for as long as possible
You can't just talk who Floyd can beat potentially in his prime. Is that why he dodged brook and Thurman and Spence to fight berto and Connor instead as he'd lose to them like he would to GGG. And Floyd fans weren't upset at Floyd for dodging those big boys also
F!oyd beat nelo out of prime didn't he? But then nelo weren't in prime and it was cw.
So its more about Floyd needing to fight someone when not expected to win. Why didn't he fight Sergio Martinez when younger then? Floyd and his fans thought he'd beat him at 160 as well they claim?
Floyd could have took a 16o challenge much earlier

Another ****** post that offers nothing

[Bjl12]

lol don't confuse me for a pact@rd. the tue was retroactive, which is highly irregular.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-ps-sn-usada-floyd-mayweather-iv-20150910-story.html

What was irregular? NSAC mad USADA wearing the pants. Floyd submitted TUE to USADA in advance, but retroactively to NSAC since they have their own TUE policy.

No big deal. NSAC mad like pacFUCKS

[Bjl12]

couldn't agree more...I merely question the iv and I get attacked by people who make up their own reasoning why it's all legit, ignore what Floyd himself said, and disregard that usada has since made it illegal.

They have since made it illegal to comply with NSAC. Nothing to do with the practice. Has to do with state commissions wanting to be "in control"

This witch hunt is so sad lmfao

[Bjl12]

And for the record I AGREE with the NSAC. An outside agency, like WADA or USADA, does not trump the SAC whether its NY or NV, etc. The Floyd situation was approved medically so it would've worked whether it was submitted to NSAC or USADA. Since then NSAC has prohibited the practice and all TUE will go through them (which makes most sense).

I do not, however, suspect anyone (Floyd or Manny) were using anything illegal. They were both tested through USADA random blood and urine testing for weeks leading up to the fight. Floyd has also been tested in the same manner for weeks at a time over the last ~5 years? No reason to suspect him of anything, especially considering the way he wins fights has nothing to do with power, etc.

Of greater su****ion is Manny's refusal to do OSDT for Y E A R S when he was knocking larger fighters out. During that stretch he avoided anything to do with drug testing despite overwhelming suggestive evidence that warrants su****ion and speculation. And the reasons/excuses provided were very poor: "afraid of needles", "need a cutoff date", "giving blood weakens him", "Floyd is not the commissioner". And keep in mind Floyd agreed to all of Manny's stipulations without issue...Manny had year(s) - PLURAL - problem to concede ONE ISSUE while Floyd conceded the split (50/50 - something he never does) as well as weight penalty of $10 MILLION DOLLARS per pound overweight.

Again, the blame rests on one player's shoulder and one player alone. At OTHER points in their negotiations Floyd definitely takes some blame, but the first negotiations were entirely Manny and his camp's fault.

Fast forward to TUE and Floyd did what he was supposed to do and Manny didn't. That is why Floyd got the saline infusion and Manny couldn't use a NARCOTIC - TRAMADOL. NSAC has since fixed the discrepancy for TUE submissions in that AGENCIES can NO LONGER provide approval/denial for TUE's. It has to go through State Agencies, which makes sense. There's no conspiracy. Put it to rest.

https://www.drugs.com/article/tramad...d-to-know.html

[Real King Kong]

They have since made it illegal to comply with NSAC. Nothing to do with the practice. Has to do with state commissions wanting to be "in control"

This witch hunt is so sad lmfao

not sure what you mean...iv's have been banned by wada since 2005.

[Bjl12]

not sure what you mean...iv's have been banned by wada since 2005.

Medically exempt iv's are of course permitted in every sport, period. It;s a MEDICAL exemption. True for vada, wada, usada, nsac, etc.

The unique thing is that Floyd submitted TUE to usada and not nsac. There apparently weren't clear rules at the time which have since been corrected.

Floyd applied the correct paperwork to correct agency - granted saline infusion. Manny never submitted TUE paperwork - denied narcotic injection (Tramadol is a narcotic pain reliever).

[Real King Kong]

Medically exempt iv's are of course permitted in every sport, period. It;s a MEDICAL exemption. True for vada, wada, usada, nsac, etc.

The unique thing is that Floyd submitted TUE to usada and not nsac. There apparently weren't clear rules at the time which have since been corrected.

Floyd applied the correct paperwork to correct agency - granted saline infusion. Manny never submitted TUE paperwork - denied narcotic injection (Tramadol is a narcotic pain reliever).

yea...so everyone said weeks later. admit it, if it was pac under the exact same circumstances, you'd think there might be something more to it. I like Floyd as a fighter, but wouldn't be surprised at all if he was using some type of ped during the late part of his career. I don't get why people feel the need to be apologists for every thing he does just because of some feud with pact@rds.