Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Scipio2009]

Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night according to the fight night weigh in.

So you're trying to say that 170lbs was the rehydration limit?

[Scipio2009]

Imposing one's size is merely using the weight advantage one has over the opponent. So it's a boxer who merely uses the advantages that the boxer will have over their lighter opponent by being heavier. I've already listed those advantages of being heavier.

Furthermore, Golovkin does provide pressure on his opponents. Golovkin does force his opponents to give up ground. These are things he does do. Saying he doesn't do those things is like me claiming Floyd Mayweather jr doesn't use the shoulder roll or isn't defensively responsible. Total error of some of the MOST obvious facts!

Also, it's one thing for a boxer to impose size. It's another thing for an elite boxer with one of the best record to impose size. There is a reason why David Haye managed to beat Nikolay Valuev but failed against Wladimir Klitschko. Both imposed their size but only one of them was truly elite (Wladimir Klitschko). So the comparisons between Gennady Golovkin and Antonio Margarito is a false equivalence. Could Mayweather beat someone the size of Golovkin that is a journeyman / bum / low level boxer? For sure! However, does he have the feats to suggest he can beat someone the size of Golovkin who also has one of the best record of his era, in a weight division that Mayweather has never fought in? Absolutely not!

Point to a single fight where Golovkin imposed his size on an opponent. His last 20 fights are basically on YouTube, so there's a good amount to choose from.

[Scipio2009]

I'm not claiming a catch weight is a rehydration clause. You're attacking a straw-man! I understand they are two separate things.

Your point actually supports my argument. Which is the fact that because Floyd Mayweather Jr needed a catch weight to fight Canelo Alvarez, questions his chances of beating an elite natural 160 pound boxer at 160 pounds without there being catch weight restrictions.

If you're no longer arguing that a catchweight is a rehydration clause, and there's now a sensible argument that Alvarez had to get off some mass (which would explain why he got almost up to his usual 170/171lbs for a fight), you've just trapped yourself into a corner.

Floyd isn't targeting the middleweight division, he's simply targeting Golovkin. And in Golovkin, to put it flatly, he sees a man with limited skills that he knows he can utterly outclass.

Skills are skills, and you should finally acknowledge that.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Point to a single fight where Golovkin imposed his size on an opponent. His last 20 fights are basically on YouTube, so there's a good amount to choose from.

Against Kell Brook for starters!

[Mr Objecitivity]

If you're no longer arguing that a catchweight is a rehydration clause, and there's now a sensible argument that Alvarez had to get off some mass (which would explain why he got almost up to his usual 170/171lbs for a fight), you've just trapped yourself into a corner.

Floyd isn't targeting the middleweight division, he's simply targeting Golovkin. And in Golovkin, to put it flatly, he sees a man with limited skills that he knows he can utterly outclass.

Skills are skills, and you should finally acknowledge that.

Except no, Canelo Alavarez weighed less against Floyd Mayweather Jr than he usually does. Against Amir Khan, there wasn't any catch weight and he was subsequently able to rehydrate to a higher weight than against Floyd Mayweather Jr. The same applies when he fought Gennady Golovkin. If anything, this further supports my argument, that Mayweather has never beaten anybody that is Golovkin's size without any catch weights or rehydration clauses. The closest boxer to Golovkin was Canelo Alvarez and he had to fight him at a catch weight.

You see, those claims are utter speculation! 'Limited skills' and 'utterly outclass'. You're claiming he 'see it that way'. Well then why didn't Mayweather fight Golovkin when he had the chance? Why didn't Mayweather fight Canelo Alvarez without imposing catch weights? You still haven't answered those questions. In other words, your claims are totally unfounded and baseless. I could claim with the same amount of value that Golovkin sees Mayweather as someone with 'limited skills' that he can utterly outclass at 147 pounds. However, it's a baseless statement because Golovkin has no feats at beating someone at Mayweather's caliber at 147 pounds.

You do realize that Golovkin has the best 160 pound record of the last decade? In other words, if Mayweather targets Golovkin, he by default also targets the entire middleweight division.

Skills are subjective. They mean nothing, in and of themselves. A boxer is as only as skilled as their record. If they have the best record in their respective weight division, then they are the most skilled in that weight division. Golovkin has the best record at 160 pounds. Therefore, he is the most skilled 160 pound boxer. Mayweather has 0 feats at 160 pounds. Therefore, he isn't any more skilled than a bum / journeyman at the 160 pound division.

You are only as good as what you prove to be. How much has Mayweather proven himself at the 160 pound division? Absolutely nothing! Claiming he could do this or that at 160 pounds against the best in that division is utter speculation which amounts to nothing. It holds just as much value as me claiming Golovkin could beat prime Mayweather at 147 pounds.

[Mr Objecitivity]

So you're trying to say that 170lbs was the rehydration limit?

No, Canelo Alvarez weighed below 170 pounds on fight night is my point. Whereas he usually weighs above 170 pounds most of the time.

[Real King Kong]

What is confusing? Floyd had a medically exempt saline infusion and you rabid clowns act like he was direct infusing anabolic steroids. Floyd did the paperwork so he got the medical treatment.

Manny "I no English" Pac did not do the paper work and did not surround himself with people smart enough to handle basic paper work - Roach, Arum, Koncz...so he did not get the treatment.

It's that simple.

Yall bash on Floyd for owing taxes every year because he DOESN'T file them...doesnt do the paperwork. So Floyd pays major penalties.

Typical PacFUCKS want it both ways as usual

KTFO6, UD12, UD12 to a goddamn Aussie plumber named Joe lmfao...be serious

lol don't confuse me for a pact@rd. the tue was retroactive, which is highly irregular.

[Mr Objecitivity]

You specifically said there was a rehydration clause, there wasn't.

He didn't need the CW he said it will make the task easier.

I made that claim because Canelo Alvarez stated himself that a rehydration clause was imposed on him. Even if I for argument's sake, take the point back about there being a rehydration clause, it doesn't change the fact that there was still a catch weight.

Claiming 'he didn't need a CW' is no more of a valuable claim than me claiming he needed it. The fact that there was a catch weight, is evidence that he more likely needed it than not. Otherwise, the fight wouldn't have taken place at a catch weight.

[Scipio2009]

Against Kell Brook for starters!

You should probably try watching that fight again, lol.

[Scipio2009]

Except no, Canelo Alavarez weighed less against Floyd Mayweather Jr than he usually does. Against Amir Khan, there wasn't any catch weight and he was subsequently able to rehydrate to a higher weight than against Floyd Mayweather Jr. The same applies when he fought Gennady Golovkin. If anything, this further supports my argument, that Mayweather has never beaten anybody that is Golovkin's size without any catch weights or rehydration clauses. The closest boxer to Golovkin was Canelo Alvarez and he had to fight him at a catch weight.

You see, those claims are utter speculation! 'Limited skills' and 'utterly outclass'. You're claiming he 'see it that way'. Well then why didn't Mayweather fight Golovkin when he had the chance? Why didn't Mayweather fight Canelo Alvarez without imposing catch weights? You still haven't answered those questions. In other words, your claims are totally unfounded and baseless. I could claim with the same amount of value that Golovkin sees Mayweather as someone with 'limited skills' that he can utterly outclass at 147 pounds. However, it's a baseless statement because Golovkin has no feats at beating someone at Mayweather's caliber at 147 pounds.

You do realize that Golovkin has the best 160 pound record of the last decade? In other words, if Mayweather targets Golovkin, he by default also targets the entire middleweight division.

Skills are subjective. They mean nothing, in and of themselves. A boxer is as only as skilled as their record. If they have the best record in their respective weight division, then they are the most skilled in that weight division. Golovkin has the best record at 160 pounds. Therefore, he is the most skilled 160 pound boxer. Mayweather has 0 feats at 160 pounds. Therefore, he isn't any more skilled than a bum / journeyman at the 160 pound division.

You are only as good as what you prove to be. How much has Mayweather proven himself at the 160 pound division? Absolutely nothing! Claiming he could do this or that at 160 pounds against the best in that division is utter speculation which amounts to nothing. It holds just as much value as me claiming Golovkin could beat prime Mayweather at 147 pounds.

Saul Alvarez had to make 152lbs. Rather than simply extend his weight cut (Alvarez had seemed to master the cut down to barely 154lbs), Alvarez and his camp shaved the weight off of the body before the cut.

Less mass makes the weight easier to make, while also lessening the weight when all fluids are put back into the body.

Rather than go with a logical deduction, you've chose to waste your time making stuff up without any semblance of proof.