Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Scipio2009]

Broken orbital bone or not, I don't think Brook would've gone into the 7th-8th round on his feet. He landed on Golovkin but he took the brunt of the punishment. Would he be able to hang at that pace another 6-7 rounds? I don't think so.

As it concerns Floyd, again, we gotta remember this guy came up from 130lbs to 154 where even at 154 he was out of his element. At a full 160 Floyd's at a big disadvantage let alone the pace I see that fight being fought at, not one I think a 40-41 year old Floyd wants to deal with. Again, no knock to Floyd at all but I personally wouldn't like his chances against GGG at a full 160.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I think that he would've found his range and that Ingles Gym "slip style" would have him popping Golovkin with counters and stepping off all night. Golovkin doesn't land all that well on moving targets, made even worse by moving targets that move deliberately.

Floyd at middleweight, even at 40/41 years of age, would train his ass off and likely walk into the fight near 151/152lbs, fully fit, hydrated, and ready to fight. Golovkin has basically mastered the cut at this point, but he'd still be a 35 year old fighter dragging his body back down to the weight he's basically been at since he was 20.

Golovkin doesn't fight off of your chest, so the pace won't really be an issue if Floyd's legs are still there a bit.

[djtmal]

no, i don't think floyd mayweather could beat ggg @ 160 lbs

[Scipio2009]

Skills are subjective. Records are objective. According to Golovkin's record, he has indisputably been the best middleweight of the past decade. On the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr, according to his record has 0 feats / accomplishments at middleweight with 0 wins, losses or draws. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather Jr is unproven at middleweight / 160 pounds. Therefore, he doesn't have any qualifications to suggest he can defeat the best 160 pounder middleweight boxer of his era in Gennady Golovkin. Floyd Mayweather Jr's record outside of 160 pounds is irrelevant for this bout.

I just used Klitschko as one of many example of how size negates skill advantages. Michael Spinks getting destroyed in 1 round against Mike Tyson is another example. Roman Gonzalez's recent losses are another example. Yuriorkis Gamboa's loss to Terence Crawford is another example. Kell Brook's loss to Golovkin is another example and so forth so on. A great small man, most of the time, if not all the time loses to a great big man in terms of size. There are rare exceptions of course. However, the history according to the norms suggests that the boxer who is big in size + skilled > boxer who is small in size + skilled.

It's really no rocket science! Weight divisions exist and not skill divisions for a simple reason: because weight is a more significant factor in deciding outcomes of boxing bouts than skills.

Floyd Mayweather Jr may be more skilled than many other boxers that are heavier than himself, not just GGG. Does that mean he could beat them all because he is more skilled? Absolutely not! Otherwise, Mayweather should have no problems beating some of the modern heavyweights like Dillian Whyte for example.

Sergio Martinez's record would argue otherwise (13-1-1, while avenging his defeat), but that's another conversation.

Floyd is a once in a couple generations fighter, at the worst. Golovkin isn't even the best middleweight fighter of his era, tbh. Skills matter

[Mr Objecitivity]

Sergio Martinez's record would argue otherwise (13-1-1, while avenging his defeat), but that's another conversation.

Floyd is a once in a couple generations fighter, at the worst. Golovkin isn't even the best middleweight fighter of his era, tbh. Skills matter

Name me one middleweight with a better middleweight record than Golovkin's in the last decade. I'll wait!

I'm not arguing skills don't matter. I'm arguing weight advantages matters even more since skills divisions don't exist whilst weight divisions do. It's common sense!

Also, skills are subjective. Records aren't. They are objective! In other words, a boxer is only as skilled as their record suggests and Golovkin has been proven to be a more skilled boxer at 160 pounds than Floyd Mayweather Jr at 160 pounds because Floyd Mayweather Jr is yet to have a single bout at 160 pounds.

[Scipio2009]

Name me one middleweight with a better middleweight record than Golovkin's in the last decade. I'll wait!

I'm not arguing skills don't matter. I'm arguing weight advantages matters even more since skills divisions don't exist whilst weight divisions do. It's common sense!

Also, skills are subjective. Records aren't. They are objective! In other words, a boxer is only as skilled as their record suggests and Golovkin has been proven to be a more skilled boxer at 160 pounds than Floyd Mayweather Jr at 160 pounds because Floyd Mayweather Jr is yet to have a single bout at 160 pounds.

Sergio Martinez's was 13-1-1, with wins over Paul Williams, Kelly Pavlik, an unbeaten Dzinziruk (no idea how good he was, but did have some solid scalps on his resume so he wasn't terrible), an unbeaten Darren Barker, an unbeaten Chavez Jr, an unbeaten Martin Murray, and Matthew Macklin before his body simply gave up on him.

Not that hard to find.

By your foolish logic, Golovkin, a man who has basically fought at the same weight since he was finishing in the amateurs, would have nothing to hang his skills on were he to finally move to 168lbs after all of the woofing that he did.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Sergio Martinez's was 13-1-1, with wins over Paul Williams, Kelly Pavlik, an unbeaten Dzinziruk (no idea how good he was, but did have some solid scalps on his resume so he wasn't terrible), an unbeaten Darren Barker, an unbeaten Chavez Jr, an unbeaten Martin Murray, and Matthew Macklin before his body simply gave up on him.

Not that hard to find.

By your foolish logic, Golovkin, a man who has basically fought at the same weight since he was finishing in the amateurs, would have nothing to hang his skills on were he to finally move to 168lbs after all of the woofing that he did.

Comparing Sergio Martinez to Floyd Mayweather Jr is a false equivalence logical fallacy. Since Sergio Martinez actually has a record at 160 pounds. On the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr has none. In other words, we have no evidence of how good Mayweather is or would be at 160 pounds since he hasn't fought once at 160 pounds.

As for Golovkin at 168 pounds. I'm not the one claiming Golovkin would beat an all time great 168 pound boxer at 168 pound in his first bout there whilst he is totally unproven in that weight diviison where he doesn't have any record there whatsoever. It is you who is claiming Mayweather could just jump up to 160 pounds and beat not just any middleweight, but the best middleweight of the last decade. if Mayweather could even fight at 160 pounds, then he would've already done so and wouldn't have wasted his time fighting at 147 pounds as he did. The fact that he didn't, indicates that 160 pounds is most likely above his limit. Otherwise, you might as well claim Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight.

Since Mayweather doesn't have actual feats at 160 pounds. There isn't any evidence to suggest he could beat the best 160 pound boxer of the last decade. It really is as simple as that!

[Scipio2009]

Comparing Sergio Martinez to Floyd Mayweather Jr is a false equivalence logical fallacy. Since Sergio Martinez actually has a record at 160 pounds. On the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr has none. In other words, we have no evidence of how good Mayweather is or would be at 160 pounds since he hasn't fought once at 160 pounds.

As for Golovkin at 168 pounds. I'm not the one claiming Golovkin would beat an all time great 168 pound boxer at 168 pound in his first bout there whilst he is totally unproven in that weight diviison where he doesn't have any record there whatsoever. It is you who is claiming Mayweather could just jump up to 160 pounds and beat not just any middleweight, but the best middleweight of the last decade. if Mayweather could even fight at 160 pounds, then he would've already done so and wouldn't have wasted his time fighting at 147 pounds as he did. The fact that he didn't, indicates that 160 pounds is most likely above his limit. Otherwise, you might as well claim Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight.

Since Mayweather doesn't have actual feats at 160 pounds. There isn't any evidence to suggest he could beat the best 160 pound boxer of the last decade. It really is as simple as that!

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[john l]

You were talking about cruiserweight and other weight divisions when this bout is merely taking place at 160 pounds. Therefore, those other weight divisions are totally irrelevant in regards to the topic of this thread.

Furthermore, if the bout is taking place at 160 pounds, then both would weigh 160 pounds for the weigh in. There won't be any weight difference during that period. Only in fight night would there be a weight difference but that's a different issue altogether.

Unless you're implying that because of the weight difference, that Mayweather won't be able to make 160 pounds. In which case, this fight is impossible since not only does Mayweather stand no chance at beating Golovkin, he won't even be allowed to step into the ring for not being able to make the weight.

1st off somone else brought up May fightin ggg was like ggg fightin lightheavy.Thats was I was responding to. And when has Floyd fought at 154 even when he was fightin in div.And yes that is also point he WONT be weighing in anywhere near 160

[Mr Objecitivity]

1st off somone else brought up May fightin ggg was like ggg fightin lightheavy.Thats was I was responding to. And when has Floyd fought at 154 even when he was fightin in div.And yes that is also point he WONT be weighing in anywhere near 160

If Floyd can't weigh in at 160 pounds, then he can't fight GGG at 160 pounds, period. Therefore, he can't beat GGG! It's as simple as that! So at least you agree that Floyd can't beat GGG at 160 pounds if I'm correct?

This thread is mainly for those who believe Floyd could beat GGG at 160 pounds. if you think he can't, then that's fine!

[john l]

If Floyd can't weigh in at 160 pounds, then he can't fight GGG at 160 pounds, period. Therefore, he can't beat GGG! It's as simple as that! So at least you agree that Floyd can't beat GGG at 160 pounds if I'm correct?

This thread is mainly for those who believe Floyd could beat GGG at 160 pounds. if you think he can't, then that's fine!

You must not know boxing.They don't HAVE to weigh 160 to fight at 160 155 or more.And even that is not hard and fast rule.Cotto defended his 160pd title weighin less then 154 or jr middle