Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder, Parker Do Not Warrant a 50-50 Split With Joshua!

[Travycat]

Completely agree. It's not about playing favorites, it's about numbers.

Don't always agree with Eddie Hearn but he is 100% right here

[Clubber Pac]

My gosh the excuses are piling up, DW has made ZERO demands, and he def would take 40%, even 35% to get AJ in the ring, the payoff to unifying the HW division is peanuts compared to money he will make off of title defenses in America. Hearn is literally trying to predict the future as a means to get out of a tough fight right now.

What a coward.

[Scipio2009]

Folks are asking the wrong questions

At the end of the day, regardless of any posturing that happens, it'll still come down to the numbers, for everyone involved.

-Joshua-Klitschko put 90k people into Wembley, but how much business did they actually do? If MGM Resorts were to get behind the fight, a $10m-$20m gate shouldn't be an absurd target for a heavyweight title unification fight (Froch-Groves 2 did just over 6 million gbp, or around $8m at the time), and that doesn't even count any of the closed circuit across the MGM properties.

-The US rights fees have gone up, but does Showtime truly view the fight as something that they could take to PPV? The UK will likely take a bit of a hit in carrying the fight so early in the morning, but you could literally see a point where the value of the US rights, with Showtime hyping the even through August, going from $2m to $10m+ (@$65 per, you'd basically need to draw 400k homes to the event).

I doubt that Wilder or anyone speaking on Wilder's behalf would bother with asking for 50/50, but there's got to be an acknowledgement of the potential for the growth of the pie beyond the biggest piece that's likely been ever put forward in the UK.

Joshua/Hearn can keep the UK TV money to himself; still, with the live gate likely to bigger than Wembley, and the US TV being worth far more than what they got for Wembley too, Wilder should end up more than cut in on the rest of the pie.

Joseph Parker is a different story (in that there really isn't money that he can draw), but the pieces of the pie matter more than anything.

[Scipio2009]

If this fight is going to generate any kind of real revenue then it's going to have to be on pay per view. One cannot expect to break box office records just on television licensing fees and the live gate alone. I think Eddie Hearns understands this; Especially when it comes to Deontay Wilder.

However, this is where it gets tricky. None of the titleholders in the Heavyweight division are pay per view attractions or known among the casual fan outside of the U.K.

Wilder-Joshua is positioned to be a PPV fight though.

If everything goes as planned, Joshua flattens Takam in October, Whyte wins his fight on the undercard, Wilder flattens Stiverne in November, Joshua fights Luis Ortiz, with Wilder fighting Dillian Whyte, in March, and the hype for the PPV runs from April through August (Alvarez-Golovkin likely draws attention, but that'd be done by mid-May).

Press tour (with the extra media obligations in the different markets), All Access (three episodes and an epilogue), and the earned media that comes with it (James Corden bringing on Anthony Joshua to the Late Late show, the ladies of The View bringing Deontay Wilder on, New York radio pushing interviews nationally, the print press telling the stories of these two fighters in the papers, etc) and you'd have an event.

There's a ceiling for what can be drawn in the UK, and the Klitschko fight set it.

[RussB23]

My gosh the excuses are piling up, DW has made ZERO demands, and he def would take 40%, even 35% to get AJ in the ring, the payoff to unifying the HW division is peanuts compared to money he will make off of title defenses in America. Hearn is literally trying to predict the future as a means to get out of a tough fight right now.

What a coward.

The **** are you talking about? Deontay makes like 1 mil per fight and was demanding 7 million to fight whyte. i gaurantee he would be asking even more for an AJ fight because he knows AJ would KO him so he needs to cash out.

[Scipio2009]

EXACTLY, Hearn trying to stall negotiations prolly cause Wilder has publicly called out Joshua for juicing.

I can't say definitively if Joshua is juicing, but I will say that I haven't seen a physique like that since the movie Hercules.

I don't really have doubts of whether Anthony Joshua is juicing or not, because you can simply look at his father. The working out has definitely helped max things out, but his father is a big and sturdy guy, so he was likely going to end up being a big sturdy guy as well.

Hopefully the testing confirms the inference (my assumption is that Joshua had been tested by BBBoC and UKAD).

[Scipio2009]

Parker's last 3 purses (excluding the Cojanu fight) have all been bigger than Wilder's biggest purse, from what I've heard.

I know you guys see him as obscure and that's fine but New Zealand is a relatively wealth country (even if it's small) and his core fan base is pretty supportive. Not meaning to generalise, but I think Parker's fan base can and will pay higher PPV fees than Wilder's core in Alabama. Also, boxing fans in the US have a range of different options to support. New Zealand (and Australian) fans only have a handful of top fighters, so their options are limited and they're more likely to support the guys they have.

No idea what type of source you have but, if that was actually the case, why did he have to sign a deal with Top Rank at all?

Anthony Joshua built his base in the UK, and when the time came, Showtime approached him and his camp for US expansion.

If Parker is already sitting on at least $2m a fight, why would he ever leave New Zealand? Joshua, Klitschko, Wilder, and maybe Fury are the only other heavyweight million dollar fighters, so there should be enough money in New Zealand, assuming what you've stated is true, to basically bring almost every other heavyweight to new Zealand.

And that hasn't been the move.

[MisanthropicNY]

Of course they don't. And the fight should be in the UK. Asking for 50/50 by either = Ducking.

I actually favor Wilder against Joshua. Joshua is way to stiff, and Wilder has the best boxing ability of the Heavyweights.

[Scipio2009]

It'll be 60/40 or 70/30. But Wilder will earn between $10 - 20 million with that split. Joshua would earn $30 - 40 million.

Parker would probably get 80/20 or 70/30.

pretty much, lol. There'll likely be all sorts of moving parts on the deal (Joshua keeps the UK PPV money and only starts getting a piece of the US PPV beyond a certain level, Hearn and DiBella will split the tickets pretty evenly, UK sponsors may get placement on the ring, etc), but a 2:1 Joshua split on the actual money made makes sense.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Bumsquad is by the most unpopular multi-year US HW Champ EVER! And he and his team have been content with him making the majority of his defenses in a Barn in Hicksville Alabama. No draw in Vegas, where the big $ is.