Comments Thread For: Quality Quintet: Hatton, Morales and Winky highlight IBHOF class

[yankees7448]

Meldrick Taylor? Why? And no Michalszewski? Unreal. Fitz! Explain.

Michalszewski never left Germany and his best wins by far were against Virgil Hill and Montell Griffin. Good opponents but his resume is lacking especially considering Roy Jones Jr was the King of the division and the sport during much of the same period Michalszewski was champion. It would be like Ricky Hatton choosing never to cross the pond to pursue fights with Floyd Mayweather Jr or Manny Pacquio. There would always be unanswered questions about how well he would have done and it would hurt his resume as I think it hurts Michalszewski's and Sven Okkte's resume.

[yankees7448]

No to Donald Curry? Not sure about Julian Jackson lost to McCallum destroyed twice by McClellan.
Nigel Benn and Eubank should be in as well

I don't think Benn should be in. Its hard to argue that he was anything other than the 3rd best British Super middleweight of his era (behind Collins and Eubank) let alone the best in the world.

[Marvlus Marv]

Erik - Yes
Nigel Benn - Yes
The Hawk - Yes
Winky Wright - Yes
Donald Curry - Yes

[BattlingNelson]

Michalszewski never left Germany

Weird criteria. Do you use that for all HOF nominees?

and his best wins by far were against Virgil Hill and Montell Griffin. Good opponents but his resume is lacking especially considering Roy Jones Jr was the King of the division and the sport during much of the same period Michalszewski was champion.

Jones may have been the p4p no. 1, but he chose not to fight the champ DM. DM has the logevity and divisional dominance to be HOF worthy. Especially when looking at Hill being in who's resume isn't better than DM's.

It would be like Ricky Hatton choosing never to cross the pond to pursue fights with Floyd Mayweather Jr or Manny Pacquio. There would always be unanswered questions about how well he would have done and it would hurt his resume as I think it hurts Michalszewski's and Sven Okkte's resume.

Yet Jones also chose not to cross the pond to face DM.

Also remember this stance you have taken when it's time to judge whether Andre Ward is HOF worthy. Remember to apply similar criterias.

[yankees7448]

Hatton in my opinion just didn't do enough. The class should be in my opinion is: Morales,Wright, Starling. or Morales,Wright, JJackson.

Ricky Hatton definately deserves to be in there. While I understand the writer trying to hold a very high standard (I certainly think many people here aren't holding people to a high standard) Hatton deserves it. He dominated a Hall of Famer in Kostya Tszyu and he has a lot of over very good fighters like Jose Luis Castillo, Paulie Mallinaggi, Luis Collazo.

[yankees7448]

Weird criteria. Do you use that for all HOF nominees?

If I find your resume lacking, you never leave home and there are better options out of your homeland it should be considered.

Jones may have been the p4p no. 1, but he chose not to fight the champ DM. DM has the logevity and divisional dominance to be HOF worthy. Especially when looking at Hill being in who's resume isn't better than DM's.

I didn't realize Hill was in. But once again outside of Virgil Hill his resume is fairly unimpressive.

Yet Jones also chose not to cross the pond to face DM.

Jones was the king of the division and has a much stronger resume overall than DM. DM has no leverage to demand Jones go overseas especially when Jones already knows the feeling of getting burned by judges outside of the US from his Olympic experience. And lets be fair, officials in Germany have a certain reputation (even if its probably exaggerated) with regards to home cooking.

Also remember this stance you have taken when it's time to judge whether Andre Ward is HOF worthy. Remember to apply similar criterias.

Ward's resume is amazing. Outside of Lucien Bute, who was later beaten by a Ward victim, there wasn't a single top fighter Ward didn't beat at 168. He also beat Chad Dawson and unofficial king of 175 Sergei Kovalev 2x.

DM's resume is literally not good enough to wipe Andre Ward's arse.

[rrayvez]

Ricky Hatton definately deserves to be in there. While I understand the writer trying to hold a very high standard (I certainly think many people here aren't holding people to a high standard) Hatton deserves it. He dominated a Hall of Famer in Kostya Tszyu and he has a lot of over very good fighters like Jose Luis Castillo, Paulie Mallinaggi, Luis Collazo.

he beat tszyu in his last fight ever and he was well past his best. People forget that he had been fairly inactive towards the end of his career(4 fights in his last 3 years) because of how he beat sharmba Mitchell, but he wasn't the same tszyu that dominated at 140. Castillo was definitely a shell of himself following his war with Corrales 2 years earlier and that win vs Collazo probably should've gone the other way. Hattons popularity greatly surpassed his actual skills and accomplishments. The only hof lock on this list is morales.

[yankees7448]

he beat tszyu in his last fight ever and he was well past his best. People forget that he had been fairly inactive towards the end of his career(4 fights in his last 3 years) because of how he beat sharmba Mitchell, but he wasn't the same tszyu that dominated at 140. Castillo was definitely a shell of himself following his war with Corrales 2 years earlier and that win vs Collazo probably should've gone the other way. Hattons popularity greatly surpassed his actual skills and accomplishments. The only hof lock on this list is morales.

Morales is certainly indisputable.

[BattlingNelson]

If I find your resume lacking, you never leave home and there are better options out of your homeland it should be considered.

It's not like DM misses anyone though.

I didn't realize Hill was in. But once again outside of Virgil Hill his resume is fairly unimpressive.

He beat everyone for a good number of years.

Jones was the king of the division

No. DM was the man who beat the man etc. Jones was a trinket collector.

and has a much stronger resume overall than DM.

Irrelevant.

DM has no leverage to demand Jones go overseas especially when Jones already knows the feeling of getting burned by judges outside of the US from his Olympic experience. And lets be fair, officials in Germany have a certain reputation (even if its probably exaggerated) with regards to home cooking.

Oh so you want DM to travel even though he was the champion? How about taking into account how Schulz was shafted against Foreman and Sturm against DLH. You give Jones a pass, but DM gets critisism. Talk about double standards.

Ward's resume is amazing. Outside of Lucien Bute, who was later beaten by a Ward victim, there wasn't a single top fighter Ward didn't beat at 168. He also beat Chad Dawson and unofficial king of 175 Sergei Kovalev 2x.

DM's resume is literally not good enough to wipe Andre Ward's arse.

Oh but Ward didn't travel which is the point and you have to remember that whenever Ward's name is on the ballot.

[cameltoe]

Hatton in my opinion just didn't do enough. The class should be in my opinion is: Morales,Wright, Starling. or Morales,Wright, JJackson.

Big Hatton fan being from the U.K., but agree. His two biggest fights were comprehensive defeats. The fact this was against two of the best fighters of the modern era wasn't his fault, but they are what he'll be remembered for. That or beating an old Tsyzu.