Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?

[Cutthroat]

Eubank was not a cruiserweight, by he's own admission he belonged at supermiddle. You clearly don't know the difference between having overweight non title fights and fighting in your own division. He himself said he had trouble getting heavy enough for Thompson. Of course, the fact that he was fighting Prince, a lightheavyweight, and then easily made 12stone and went 12 strong rounds with Calzaghe makes him a cruiserweight in your eyes. It's still not the truth. Prime Dawson was a lightheavyweight, never had a good win at supermiddle, was totally drained at 168, and says himself Ward wouldn't even give him 170 by way of compromise. If you think that was a good win you must be chair of Wards fan club.

175+ is cruiser weight. Eubank fought 2 fights before Calzaghe above 175 and was scheduled to fight Prince at 177 not 175, that is cruiser. He fought Thompson at 186 then 189 immediately after.

Eubank only had 1 week to drop over 20lbs, Dawson had an entire camp to not only prep for Ward but make weight and he was in his prime considered the king of 175.

Furthermore Dawson told his strength and conditioning coach it wasn't the weight, but Ward's speed that beat him.

[TheThirdEye]

1) Did Joe Calzaghe duck a 40+ years old guy: NO

• If the answer is YES, please explane: N/A

2) Did Andre Ward duck a 40+ years old guy: YES

• If the answer is YES, please explane:

The #1 P4P fighter who decided to duck a 40 years old boxer by retiring instead of being crowned Undisputed.

[Cutthroat]

Name the world class fighter Bute cold ****ed.Degale lost to Groves, got a gift against Medina, got beat by Jack in the eyes of everyone who's not blind. Pascal hasn't beaten any top names. Lost clearly to Hopkins, an older Hopkins who you say arguably beat Calzaghe. He lost in real life though. There was no doubt that BHop well beat Pascal though. Abraham never beat a good fighter at 168,he was too small. Taylor had been wrecked by Pavlic.He didn't recover at all. He was smashed in the first fight, well beaten in the second and then stopped by Abraham. He was still good enough to give Froch a boxing lesson most of the way though. Dirrel boxed Frochs ears off, but this monster only has one decent win, a disqualification when he cried off against middleweight Abraham. Your living in a dream world where Calzaghe would have even a tiny bit of trouble with guys like Barrera. He's beaten no one. Kovalevs best win is a 50 year old. Unless you count the fight he was robbed in. Bika rocked Calzaghe? You must be high. Bika was just a durable spoiler. The fact is that Calzaghe was already advanced in years himself when he fought Jones and BHop. BHop went on to school Pavlic out of sight, then he beat Pascal up, who's never beaten anyone or note.Your mate Froch laboured even with an old Kessler, who'd already beaten him when he was a little younger. Calzaghe handled him without butts and fouls unlike Ward in he's cuts win. Wards best win was a guy in Froch who never had a great win himself, and Kovalev, who never beat a good guy who wasn't ancient. Simple as.

Bute & Calzaghe had similar opponents such as Salem and Bika, yet Bute wasn't struggling nearly as much. Same with Bika vs Ward, Kessler vs Ward, or Branco vs Pascal.

Guys like Medina, Jack Degale, Groves, etc. are levels ahead of Salem, Reid, Mitchell, etc. the guy arguably lost to Reid of all people who'd lost to a journeyman just 2 fights before.

You can't talk about guys like Abraham, Bute, Pascal, etc. as scrubs when they've never gone life and death with journeymen like PRIME Calzaghe has lmao.

Pascal beat Dawson and became a champion at 175, he also gave Hopkins absolute hell. Calzaghe arguably lost to the same Hopkins that got destroyed by Smith Jr. and Kovalev. Hopkins fought Pavlik at 170.

All of these fighters have been on or near the P4P list. Reid, Mitchell, old as **** RJJ, Salem, etc. haven't.

[daggum]

when you are arguing which win is better between a shot eubank or a drained dawson you know you got 2 frauds on hand

[BM dnobagaV]

when you are arguing which win is better between a shot eubank or a drained dawson you know you got 2 frauds on hand

honestly

[GhostofDempsey]

1) Did Joe Calzaghe duck a 40+ years old guy: NO

• If the answer is YES, please explane: N/A

2) Did Andre Ward duck a 40+ years old guy: YES

• If the answer is YES, please explane:

The #1 P4P fighter who decided to duck a 40 years old boxer by retiring instead of being crowned Undisputed.

Not only that, Ward had the audacity to double down on his hypocrisy by slamming Stevenson for not unifying the division. Here's Ward with an opportunity to unify but falls back on the "not enough money" excuse while taking a swipe at another fighter's legacy.

[bluepete]

175+ is cruiser weight. Eubank fought 2 fights before Calzaghe above 175 and was scheduled to fight Prince at 177 not 175, that is cruiser. He fought Thompson at 186 then 189 immediately after.

Eubank only had 1 week to drop over 20lbs, Dawson had an entire camp to not only prep for Ward but make weight and he was in his prime considered the king of 175.

Furthermore Dawson told his strength and conditioning coach it wasn't the weight, but Ward's speed that beat him.

Prince was not a cruiserweight, he was a lightheavyweight, I know him personally, he still wouldn't be a cruiser. If you think fighting 2lb over the lightheavy limit makes you a cruiser you don't understand boxing. Billy Joe Saunders fought at 12 stone 5 once, does that make him a lightheavyweight? Now in your mind, Eubank had to drop from 188 to 168 in a week, but he didn't even weigh that much for the first Thompson fight. Read the interviews by Eubank about Thompson, he explains how much he had to overeat. BHop made he's debut at lightheavy, did every middle drag him down two divisions? This is nonsense and you know it. Yes Dawson was actually a titlist at light heavyweight. Guess why? Because it was he's actual real weight division. He dropped a whole division and he himself said he asked for 170 because he had such difficulties. Ward, in he's greatness, wasn't having any of it. Dawson didnt have any good wins at supermiddle,he didn't fight at lightheavy for non title fights like Eubank, he was a world champion at the weight, couldn't make Supermiddle properly and paid the price.

[bluepete]

Bute & Calzaghe had similar opponents such as Salem and Bika, yet Bute wasn't struggling nearly as much. Same with Bika vs Ward, Kessler vs Ward, or Branco vs Pascal.

Guys like Medina, Jack Degale, Groves, etc. are levels ahead of Salem, Reid, Mitchell, etc. the guy arguably lost to Reid of all people who'd lost to a journeyman just 2 fights before.

You can't talk about guys like Abraham, Bute, Pascal, etc. as scrubs when they've never gone life and death with journeymen like PRIME Calzaghe has lmao.

Pascal beat Dawson and became a champion at 175, he also gave Hopkins absolute hell. Calzaghe arguably lost to the same Hopkins that got destroyed by Smith Jr. and Kovalev. Hopkins fought Pavlik at 170.

All of these fighters have been on or near the P4P list. Reid, Mitchell, old as **** RJJ, Salem, etc. haven't.

Prime Calzaghe went life and death with journeymen? He didnt go life and death with Bika or Salem what in the world are you talking about? Reid was a world champion, and won it abroad, and according to your hero Froch was the hardest puncher he ever fought even as a faded fighter. Calzaghe still won clearly, stood in there, got hit and got on with it. Now I know you can't have a sensible conversation as you are trying to tell me that Pascal did better with Hopkins than Calzaghe. Hopkins was significantly older and schooled Pascal. No matter how you wish it was, Calzaghe beat Hopkins, who was faking low blows by the end. So you think Hopkins was the same fighter at 50 as he was against Calzaghe. He was the same at 50 as he was at 43? Don't make yourself look silly.Calzaghe clearly beat a guy at 43 on two cards that didn't belong to Miss Byrd, but Pascal couldn't beat a three year older Hopkins and Kovalev couldn't stop a seven year older Hopkins. And Smith didn't fight the Hopkins Calzaghe did but he might well have fought the same one Kovalev did. The monster Kovalev couldn't even do as well as a journeyman did against an old man. Ward was floored by a journeyman, beaten in the eyes of many by a man who's most significant win was a 50year old, has he's most significant win against the same man, dragged an actual decent threat at the time down a division in Dawson, beat Kessler on cuts in a foul fest and the other monster on he's record had he's best win against a chinny Bute, who's best wins were journeyman and who's done nothing significant since, and who's claim to fame is getting knocked out in the Amateurs through a headguard by Golovkin. Bute was fragile. Abraham was a middle who actually did go life and death with journeymen. Froch only had big wins against chinny fighters apart from Kessler who beat him when fresh but lost a close when when worn out. Kovalevs best win was a Hopkins 7 years older than the one who fought Joe and got stopped by a journeyman next time out. Yeah Ward is clearly superior to Calzaghe. Haha, give me a break.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Joe Calzaghe gave me some memorable fights I still like to go back and watch and enjoy.

So for me, it's Calzaghe.

[Brandon121]

Andre Ward better than Joe Calzaghe ...
Amateur highlights
• 2001 u. s. Amateur Middleweight Champion
• 2002 beneath nineteen National Championship
• 2003 u. s. Amateur lightweight Heavyweight Champion
• Won the sunshine Heavyweight medal for the u. s. at the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, Balkan nation turning into the primary yank boxer to capture gold in eight years.
His results were:
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• 1st spherical – Second Place at the first AIBA yank 2004 Olympic Qualifying Tournament
• 2nd spherical – Defeated Clemente Russo (Italy) 17–9
• Quarterfinals – Defeated Evgeny Makarenko (Russia) 23–16
• Semifinals – Defeated Utkirbek Haydarov (Uzbekistan) 17–15
• Gold palm Match – Defeated Magomed Aripgadjiev (Belarus) 20– 13