Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?

[bluepete]

Reid was a journeyman, he lost to Malinga with 10 losses and won the belt from other journeymen level fighters.

Prime Toney, prime Hopkins, prime RJJ, prime Benn, prime Eubank, etc. these were the best fighters from 160-168 and Joe fought NONE of them in their primes.

Joe was fighting the guys below their level, the Reids, Salems, Mitchells of the division. That would be like Ward ducking Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Kovalev, Barrera, Abraham, the best guys of his divisions and fighting the Paul Smiths, Alexander Brands, over and over and over again.

Salem has a 41% KO ratio and had Joe on ***** street.
Mitchell has a 54% KO ratio and had Joe on ***** street.

Hopkins last KO'd someone was in 2004 against De La Hoya, had Joe on ***** street in round 1.

Roy Jones Jr. hadn't stopped anyone in 6 years and had Joe on ***** street, Calzaghe down in round 1.

ALL of these men are far lesser punchers than Kovalev, Pascal, Dawson, Barrera, Froch, Abraham, Miranda, Brand, etc. If any of these men had hit Joe on the chin how exactly do you think he could've recovered? He would've been out COLD. I mean how the hell do you expect a guy getting dropped in round 1 by RJJ & Hopkins to go a full 12 with punchers like Kovalev, Barrera, Froch? When these guys hit you with those same shots you fall asleep.

Oh dear, you seem to think that Joe was a middleweight and was around at the same time as Benn and Eubank Jones and Toney were in their prime at 168. Hate to break it to you, Calzaghe was a novice in these days, didn't fight for a title until late 97.Toney was gone, Jones was a lightheavyweight, Hopkins was a middleweight and stayed one for years, Benn had retired via Collins. And Eubank he fought. Need to get your facts straight and rub the hate from your eyes. You keep on about Journeymen but Reid was a world champion who won he's title by stoppage abroad. Malinga beat Nigel Benn. Your still ****ing on about Barrera. He's nobody. Ward weight drained Dawson. Abraham was a small middle. Ward headbutted Kessler all night and won on cuts. Calzaghe beat a better Kessler clean. Frochs best win was chinny Bute who was nearly stopped by a journeyman a couple of fights earlier. Not a flash knockdown but nearly stopped. Although Calzaghe was already old when he fought Hopkins and Jones he still won handily, but when Andre went up to fight Kovalev he was beat in the eyes of most observers. Kovalev who's best win is still 50 year old BHop. Calzaghe wouldve easily handled all those men's punches, that's why he was never stopped, hit flush by Reid who according to Froch was the hardest hitter he fought. Joe got caught by Jones forearm, got up and won. BHop got a flash knockdown but never threatened again. Ward was knocked down and badly hurt by an actual journeyman who your mate Kovalev went life and death with also.You know Boone right? Ward rarely engaged, but when he's chin did get tested a guy who's a bum floored him and a guy who goes the distance with 50year olds and journeymen called Chilemba knock him over. Still, your abit biased, you think Joe had life and death with Bika. The only damage he did to Calzaghe was with he's head. Come to think of it, 43 year old BHop is better than anyone Ward ever faced.😂

[bluepete]

Calzahge shamelessly ducked Glenn Johnson.

Sven Ottke not only fought Glenn he BEAT him

Ward > Calzhage

Slappy Joe never scored a KO over a guy like Kovalev....or anybody for that matter.

You know Calzaghe had bad hands right? It was well documented. A guy like Kovalev never fought a good puncher. He beat Cleverly and 50year old BHop. And Ward in the first one. Who did he fight who was all that? Pascal, who's claim to fame was losing to Froch and the oldest title winner of all time. Kovalev is a hype job. Froch is a poor boxer with a great chin. These are Wards best wins. I'd say him and Calzaghe are pretty even.

[Madison Boxing]

Calzaghe by a country mile.

First thing first Ward never fought outside of his backyard. Calzaghe fought a whos who for about 10 years. Nuff said.

well said ^

[daggum]

Calzaghe by a country mile.

First thing first Ward never fought outside of his backyard. Calzaghe fought a whos who for about 10 years. Nuff said.

well said ^

well said? he didnt fight a whos who for 10 years....he fought a who the hell is this guy for about 8 years. then fought good comp for 2 years before retiring. he wasnt even fighting highly ranked fighters popular or not. he was fighting unknown unranked guys mostly

[Madison Boxing]

well said? he didnt fight a whos who for 10 years....he fought a who the hell is this guy for about 8 years. then fought good comp for 2 years before retiring. he wasnt even fighting highly ranked fighters popular or not. he was fighting unknown unranked guys mostly

joe fought everyone he could. Unfortunately many fighters were reluctant to face him until later in his career. But when joe got the big fights, he rose to the occasion. Kessler, hopkins, roy jones, lacy- joe boxed rings around them. Thats the sign of a true great.

[daggum]

joe fought everyone he could. Unfortunately many fighters were reluctant to face him until later in his career. But when joe got the big fights, he rose to the occasion. Kessler, hopkins, roy jones, lacy- joe boxed rings around them. Thats the sign of a true great.

yeah ok you arent interested in having real debate. you are playing fanboy. he was never interested in fighting ottke who was ranked above him for about 5 years and the unified champ. turned down that fight cause he didn't want to travel. turned down many other fights too like against glen johnson and said he couldnt fight in the states because he was scared of flying(what kind of excuse is that?) his own promoter said this was a lie and he flew often. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it." this sound like a guy who wants to challenge himself? there's also another calzaghe quote about wanting to fight easy opposition that I used to post all the time during the calzaghe wars of 2007-8 but i cant find it at the moment. no one was reluctant to fight him. you just made that up. he agreed to fight hopkins in the states then changed his demands and wanted the fight in cardiff. this was exposed in court so dont bother bringing that one up. hopkins said ok give me more money and ill go and he said no. calzaghe's own promoter confirmed joe was scared of taking challenges. what more do you want? he had zero interest in being in the lime light and was happy to make a good living being wbo champ. late in his career when he already had made enough money he finally started taking risks although highly calculated. even late in his career he ducked a guy like pavlik!

[Madison Boxing]

yeah ok you arent interested in having real debate. you are playing fanboy. he was never interested in fighting ottke who was ranked above him for about 5 years and the unified champ. turned down that fight cause he didn't want to travel. turned down many other fights too like against glen johnson and said he couldnt fight in the states because he was scared of flying(what kind of excuse is that?) his own promoter said this was a lie and he flew often. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it." this sound like a guy who wants to challenge himself? there's also another calzaghe quote about wanting to fight easy opposition that I used to post all the time during the calzaghe wars of 2007-8 but i cant find it at the moment. no one was reluctant to fight him. you just made that up. he agreed to fight hopkins in the states then changed his demands and wanted the fight in cardiff. this was exposed in court so dont bother bringing that one up. hopkins said ok give me more money and ill go and he said no. calzaghe's own promoter confirmed joe was scared of taking challenges. what more do you want? he had zero interest in being in the lime light and was happy to make a good living being wbo champ. late in his career when he already had made enough money he finally started taking risks although highly calculated. even late in his career he ducked a guy like pavlik!

i keep hearing how joe ducked this guy, joe ducked that guy, joe didnt take any risks yet he somehow ended up with lacy (who was the next big thing, tipped by the 'experts' to destroy joe), kessler (unbeaten at that point), hopkins, eubank and roy jones on his cv. Hopkins wasnt shot by any means as he schooled pavlik around that time. Roy jones was old at that point but so was joe. Theres lots of other solid pros on his resume too, people like woodhall, reid, bika. Joe was a champion for many years, he took on all comers.

[KillaMane26]

Joe fought the who's who in the past 10 years?????????????????


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i keep hearing how joe ducked this guy, joe ducked that guy, joe didnt take any risks yet he somehow ended up with lacy (who was the next big thing, tipped by the 'experts' to destroy joe), kessler (unbeaten at that point), hopkins, eubank and roy jones on his cv. Hopkins wasnt shot by any means as he schooled pavlik around that time. Roy jones was old at that point but so was joe. Theres lots of other solid pros on his resume too, people like woodhall, reid, bika. Joe was a champion for many years, he took on all comers.

yeah because its true. his own promoter says its true. I'm scared of flying so I cant fight in America-Joe calzaghe

yes he was a champion for many years and only acted like one for 2.

[Sid-Knee]

yeah ok you arent interested in having real debate. you are playing fanboy. he was never interested in fighting ottke who was ranked above him for about 5 years and the unified champ. turned down that fight cause he didn't want to travel. turned down many other fights too like against glen johnson and said he couldnt fight in the states because he was scared of flying(what kind of excuse is that?) his own promoter said this was a lie and he flew often. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it." this sound like a guy who wants to challenge himself? there's also another calzaghe quote about wanting to fight easy opposition that I used to post all the time during the calzaghe wars of 2007-8 but i cant find it at the moment. no one was reluctant to fight him. you just made that up. he agreed to fight hopkins in the states then changed his demands and wanted the fight in cardiff. this was exposed in court so dont bother bringing that one up. hopkins said ok give me more money and ill go and he said no. calzaghe's own promoter confirmed joe was scared of taking challenges. what more do you want? he had zero interest in being in the lime light and was happy to make a good living being wbo champ. late in his career when he already had made enough money he finally started taking risks although highly calculated. even late in his career he ducked a guy like pavlik!

The lies and poison you're spreading is making me sick. Your whole post is full of bull****.

Ottke and his team where the ones who didn't want the fight, not Joe. They said they weren't interested in the fight even though Calzaghe said he had no problems travelling. Go and do your research.

Joe didn't fight Johnson because he had hand injuries. That's why the fight didn't happen the first two times. The third time was when Johnson had a fight against Woods and Joe was lining himself up for the winner. Woods won, but priced himself out the fight with Joe. The Johnson fight was then dead in the water.

Joe was scared of flying, but he never once said that was the reason for fights not happening. You just made that up. Calzaghe had no problem with flying if it made business sense, or if he was doing some promotional stuff like in the Brewer fight.

Wrong on Hopkins again. Do your research. Hopkins asked for 3 mill and got it, but then turned around and asked for double the next day. The fight collapsing wasn't due to Calzaghe wanting it in Cardiff, that's a straight up lie. As I say, do your research to see what the head of showtime had to say on the matter.

Frank Warren always spewed poison on any fighter who left him, so I wouldn't take what he said at this time as the truth. Warren has since backtracked on any of his comments about Joe.

How was fighting his toughest fights when being clearly passed his best "calculated" risks you idiot??? Kessler and Lacy where the fights fans were calling for at 168.They didn't duck Joe like so many had before, so the fights happened. Most were saying Lacy was going to destroy Joe in a few rounds. Joe was the underdog. And against Kessler he was only a slight favorite.
He then stepped up a weight and fought the champ in Hopkins. Nothing calculated about any of that.

You hate Joe, it's easy to see that. But don't go round speaking a load of bull****, yeah.

P.S The Jones fight offered Joe more money than the Pavlik fight did, that's why Joe fought him for his last fight instead.