Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[koolkc107]

No, it DOES NOT MATTER!!!

Why?

Hauser put it all together and did the investigating. Only after that people realized what happened. Not everyone was aware of the rules. So once they realized it, they commented as they did!!!

Only then did the NEWs go mainstream. Not when some people here commented.



and as I said, there are posts and threads questioning Floyd getting IVs with substances and yes, I commented on that.


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FAIL

I didn't ask what "everyone" realized or what "everyone" knew about the "rules".

I asked what YOU said.

I asked what YOUR REACTION was in May 2015.

See, you are in this thread as such an authority I am curious as to what your tone was when the news first came out.

And your take on Hauser is lame.

What exactly did he investigate?

Proof that he didn't investigate a DAMNED THING is in how much he got wrong yet published anyway.

HE HAD THE WHOLE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS INCORRECT.

Yet, most of your arguments in this thread link directly back to Hauser, directly back to a man who sat on a story for 4 months, didn't bother to fact check anything essential, then published a load of yellow journalism a week before what he though was Floyd's last fight.

You don't see a problem with that?

Of course you don't because you are down with anything that provides an excuse that explains why your hero got routed in the biggest fight of his life.

And BTW, that crack about nobody "knowing the rules" is utter bullshyt too.

We had 5 years of posts arguing about testing and USADA and WADA and cut-off dates and prior Floyd A samples (and exemptions), and DLH using a legal IV to rehydrate against Pac and on and on and on.

We knew the rules.

All of us, including you.

So when Iole reported the IV and the retroactive TUE, we all knew what happened.

So, what was YOUR take THEN?

That is what I am asking.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

[ADP02]

LOOK AT YOU SQUIRMING. LMAOOOOOOOO. I DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN USADA AND SALAZAR, YOU IDIOT, BECAUSE IN USADA'S OVER 200 PAGE INVESTIGATION THEY NEVER CHALLENGE SALAZAR ABOUT TUES!!!!!!!!!! THEY ONLY SHOW HIM AVOIDING THE TUE PROCESS!!!



Bud? Look, if you want to discuss this seriously, then let's discuss it seriously. Stop squirming, stop deflecting, and stop with the bullshlt. You know you're wrong. Just admit it.



THIS IS A DEFLECTION. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TUE MANIPULATION!!!!!!! YOU HAVE TO SHOW PROOF! I HAVE NO OPINION ON IF HE WAS DOPING ATHLETES. THE EVIDENCE SHOWS HE WASN'T MANIPULATING TUES!



ONCE AGAIN, OUR CONVERSATION IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER THE ATHLETES WERE DOPING. IT IS ABOUT THE MANIPULATION OF TUES. STOP DEFLECTING, DEFLECTOR!



ONCE AGAIN, USADA NEVER EVER IN THAT 200 PAGE DOCUMENT MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT MANIPULATION OF TUES!!!!





PROOF BlTCH. YOU ARE SQUIRMING AND DEFLECTING HARDDDDDDDDD. WHY DID KARA GOUCHER SAY THAT RUPP GOT A TUE FOR AN IV IN DAEGU????????? WAS SHE PROVEN WRONG? YES OR NO?

I BET YOU WON'T ANSWERRRRRRRRRR!!!!

Actually they did bring it up. They did NOT say that Salazar was right. Did they?

They said that Salazar/Dr Brown/Rupp had not provided all details ...

They do bring up that there are witnesses that state that Salazar did try to manipulate TUEs!

They stated that the investigation is not over and required other authority who has more leeway when it comes to acquiring the facts!



KARA GOUCHER brought up several incidents and said she would be more than happy to go under oath and testify to what she said!!!




But as stated, there are other incidents BESIDES Daegu in which all you got is an official saying "I do not recall"! and this was Salazar, the cheats, version!



Man, you Floyd fans used to be all for routing for the guy who does not cheat

BUT

All you keep doing is defending cheats!


Salazar, Dr Brown, Rupp, Floyd, Nick Diaz(UFC), Jones (UFC) ....



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FAIL

I didn't ask what "everyone" realized or what "everyone" knew about the "rules".

I asked what YOU said.

I asked what YOUR REACTION was in May 2015.

See, you are in this thread as such an authority I am curious as to what your tone was when the news first came out.

And your take on Hauser is lame.

What exactly did he investigate?

Proof that he didn't investigate a DAMNED THING is in how much he got wrong yet published anyway.

HE HAD THE WHOLE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS INCORRECT.

Yet, most of your arguments in this thread link directly back to Hauser, directly back to a man who sat on a story for 4 months, didn't bother to fact check anything essential, then published a load of yellow journalism a week before what he though was Floyd's last fight.

You don't see a problem with that?

Of course you don't because you are down with anything that provides an excuse that explains why your hero got routed in the biggest fight of his life.

And BTW, that crack about nobody "knowing the rules" is utter bullshyt too.

We had 5 years of posts arguing about testing and USADA and WADA and cut-off dates and prior Floyd A samples (and exemptions), and DLH using a legal IV to rehydrate against Pac and on and on and on.

We knew the rules.

All of us, including you.

So when Iole reported the IV and the retroactive TUE, we all knew what happened.

So, what was YOUR take THEN?

That is what I am asking.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

The only FAIL is YOU. I bring up an honest comment and you DEFLECT.


Go check it out. Many people were not happy with Floyd getting those IVs even before Hauser's report

BUT

YOU ARE WRONG! Hauser's report expanded on what we knew. It took his report to get it out in the open and that is when the new media reported it NOT when Kevin Iole commented.

But you knew all that yet you DEFLECTED.



and again, so what???????



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[ADP02]

"(with a competent DCO)"

This proves how ignorant you are when it comes to ABP testing and how the WADA labs are monitoring BLOOD AND URINE profiles.


It wouldn't matter if a competent DCO checked the athletes for a whizzinator by giving them a blow job.

5 years of monitoring blood and urine profiles with longitudinal software and you think it's possible to use a whizzinator - "as long as the DCO is competent". Or even a catheter for that matter.

Smh.


"Bbbut Bbbut TYSON USED A WHIZZINATOR TO BEAT TEST IN 1989!!!"


Idiot.

Get it through your thick skull. The testing and procedures Tygart was referencing within his statement in 2011 does not compare to the testing and procedures Floyd was subjected to on May 1st 2015.





But I know. I get it. You need to keep trying to push your "delayed the test" narrative despite all of factual information you have been given.

In the process you have :

- ignored that a partial sample was taken prior to the IV
- ignored DCO requirements to get a suitable SPG and volume
- ignored a "failure to comply" violation if the athlete intentionally over hydrates or won't provide suitable volume
- ignored ALL samples are still tested by WADA labs regardless
- ignored potential doping violations for ABP profile irregularities
- ignored Floyd and MANNY are being target tested by default
- ignored the fact Floyd had media/weigh in obligations



Your final explanation:

- Floyd urinated so much the DCO ran out of cups
- If the sample is exactly 90ml no SPG is taken

.......wait did you really say those last 2 things????


- Floyd urinated so much the DCO ran out of cups
- If the sample is exactly 90ml no SPG is taken


Wtf?


**** this. I can't argue with a fool. I'm done.

Idiot

DEFLECTO CITY.


Man, what the FKC is wrong you Floyd fans that are willing to take a bullet for your hero?


1) You contradict yourself

You said Floyd had

"5 years of monitoring blood and urine profiles with longitudinal software "

Then you say this and shoot down Floyd's early samples of testing

Tygart was referencing within his statement in 2011 does not compare to the testing and procedures Floyd was subjected to on May 1st 2015.

2) Tygart's statement still holds true today. Athletes have done this and continue to do this!


3) I keep on telling you that if done right, micro dosing can still shoot down ABP

Also, the chemists are getting so good that some of the efficacy [of performance-enhancing drugs taken in small doses] can leave [the bloodstream] in less than 90 minutes. So how do you deal with that? Test [athletes] in the warm-up area? That’s not going to happen.

4) What does ABP testing have to do with May 1st and Floyd's IV scandal? Let us all know!




5) Idiot?
All you keep on doing is like that video that you posted, idiot!

Travestyny asked for examples and I provided them to him. Did I say that is exactly what happened? I think you need to go watch that video again, idiot!!!



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[koolkc107]

The only FAIL is YOU. I bring up an honest comment and you DEFLECT.


Go check it out. Many people were not happy with Floyd getting those IVs even before Hauser's report

BUT

YOU ARE WRONG! Hauser's report expanded on what we knew. It took his report to get it out in the open and that is when the new media reported it NOT when Kevin Iole commented.

But you knew all that yet you DEFLECTED.



and again, so what???????



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FAIL

Do you actually know what the word "deflect" means, C-3PO?

I think you are trying to say I changed the subject.

But anyone can see that everytime I ask a simple question, it is you that changes the subject (and sometimes the object as well).

Not once have I asked you what many people thought about Iole's article in May 2015.

I asked what YOU thought.

Not once have I even asked you what many folks thought about the IV.

You are trying to change the focus by bringing that in.

I asked what you though in May 2015 when the IV became public knowledge.

I explained how Hauser's report was less accurate than Iole and full of useless information irrelevant to what happened and you try to rebut that by saying the report "expanded what we knew" without explaining how it did that or explaining how 4 months of alleged investigation culminated with Hauser getting SO MANY OF THE DETAILS COMPLETELY WRONG.

What exactly in Hauser's report- that turned out to be accurate- expanded what we knew about the IV?

Truth is, Hauser had USADA bursting in on Floyd while he had the needle in his arm. He had the DCO surprising Floyd. Is that what you mean by expanding what we knew?

I ask you, who is really deflecting here?

Who is really talking facts while the other is being evasive, shovelling bullshyt, and refusing to answer a simple question.

That's you, C-3PO.

You are deflecting. No surprise, you are the most guilty of it this entire thread.

Now answer the question.

It is so simple you can answer it yes or no.

Feel free to explain yourself tho.

If you hate deflection like you say you do, answer it.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

PS- Saw your answer to Travestyny above.

It's also bullshyt.

I look forward to him going up your arse with a microscope for the billionth time.

You never learn, do you?

[Shape up]

Maybe the paramedic was called to create the appropriate medical setting.

Dumb ass.

That doesn't t make it an emergency dumbsumption, face facts that fluid bought usada

[Shape up]

Do you really think USADA trusts the future of its organization in the hands of “someone in ‘Fluid’s’ camp.”

Be serious.

And that's why they bought a TUE, to cover their arse, knobjockey

[travestyny]

And that's why they bought a TUE, to cover their arse, knobjockey

So the TUE covers their ass... by documenting the bullshlt that YOU claim you can easily prove...and having it sit around in a database that can be seen by ADOs, WADA, and possibly hacked.

Makes so much sense.

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FAIL

Do you actually know what the word "deflect" means, C-3PO?

I think you are trying to say I changed the subject.

But anyone can see that everytime I ask a simple question, it is you that changes the subject (and sometimes the object as well).

Not once have I asked you what many people thought about Iole's article in May 2015.

I asked what YOU thought.

Not once have I even asked you what many folks thought about the IV.

You are trying to change the focus by bringing that in.

I asked what you though in May 2015 when the IV became public knowledge.

I explained how Hauser's report was less accurate than Iole and full of useless information irrelevant to what happened and you try to rebut that by saying the report "expanded what we knew" without explaining how it did that or explaining how 4 months of alleged investigation culminated with Hauser getting SO MANY OF THE DETAILS COMPLETELY WRONG.

What exactly in Hauser's report- that turned out to be accurate- expanded what we knew about the IV?

Truth is, Hauser had USADA bursting in on Floyd while he had the needle in his arm. He had the DCO surprising Floyd. Is that what you mean by expanding what we knew?

I ask you, who is really deflecting here?

Who is really talking facts while the other is being evasive, shovelling bullshyt, and refusing to answer a simple question.

That's you, C-3PO.

You are deflecting. No surprise, you are the most guilty of it this entire thread.

Now answer the question.

It is so simple you can answer it yes or no.

Feel free to explain yourself tho.

If you hate deflection like you say you do, answer it.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

PS- Saw your answer to Travestyny above.

It's also bullshyt.

I look forward to him going up your arse with a microscope for the billionth time.

You never learn, do you?

DEFLECTION means that I posted something that you never actually answered to and then you moved onto something that is irrelevant.

You know, like if we were discussing IVs before Hauser's report. Like I said, who cares when this came up and I explained why.


but I also stated that there were discussions that came up. It's a couple of years ago and many people posted but like I said, so what!

[travestyny]

Actually they did bring it up. They did NOT say that Salazar was right. Did they?

In the over 200 page document, did they challenge Salazar’s statements? Yes. Did they challenge him about TUEs? NOT ONCE. SHOW US WHERE THEY DISCUSS THE MANIPULATION OF TUEs IN THAT DOCUMENT!

They said that Salazar/Dr Brown/Rupp had not provided all details ...

Lmao. Dude....you are full of shlt. You know damn well that USADA has access to ALL TUE’s. Playing ****** won’t help you. (I hope you are playing).

They do bring up that there are witnesses that state that Salazar did try to manipulate TUEs!

They do? Then post it for us and let’s see their response being that they not only approved of some of those TUES but they have access to ALL of them. I keep asking you for proof. You keep saying, “But Kara said....” You haven’t provided any other statement than hers and you acknowledged that she was proven false about at least one of her accusations. I showed she was wrong about 2...an IV in Daegu and about a phone call that records prove didn’t happen.

They stated that the investigation is not over and required other authority who has more leeway when it comes to acquiring the facts!

What do you think ADAMS is for? Sharing details about things like TUEs. stop your bs.

KARA GOUCHER brought up several incidents and said she would be more than happy to go under oath and testify to what she said!!!

I hope so because a blind man can see that Salazar makes her look like a complete liar when it comes to the TUE manipulation accusation. FOUR TUES FOR THAT GROUP OF RUNNERS SINCE 2011??? You avoided that as usual. Or should I say, deflected to some other shlt. I’m glad other posters can see exactly what I’ve been saying about you accusing everyone of deflecting while it’s YOU that is the projector deflector!!!

But as stated, there are other incidents BESIDES Daegu in which all you got is an official saying "I do not recall"! and this was Salazar, the cheats, version!

It’s an email submitted into evidence. It’s not Salazar’s words. It’s the USATF doctor’s word’s. If you recall, your Kara said Salazar was furious and called an official asking for an IV. AN EMAIL PUT THAT TO BED. Then this email where the ****ing team doctor can’t recall an IV being requested for Rupp? Yea ok. Your witness looking worse than you.

Man, you Floyd fans used to be all for routing for the guy who does not cheat

BUT

All you keep doing is defending cheats!


Salazar, Dr Brown, Rupp, Floyd, Nick Diaz(UFC), Jones (UFC) ....

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This was such a weak response that I will accept this as your admission that you are wrong.

You are still trying to deflect to Salazar being guilty of doping athletes. Maybe he did. We are talking about TUE manipulation, and the evidence shows only that he tried to AVOID THE TUE PROCESS. Nothing more. Even you admit to that by pointing out questioning about changing their IV procedure to be 50ml or less for WADA compliance, which is seemingly what most of USADA’s investigation focused on.

I sent numerous posts full of info on Mo Farah, including his only 2 TUEs, Rupp’s TUEs, his medical history that USADA has access to because even they stated that they reviewed 500 pages of his medical records, emails proven Goucher lies, proof of avoiding the TUE process.....,and you still can’t admit you are wrong. So much manipulation of 4 TUEs since 2011!

This topic is over. A blind man can see you’ve been beaten to a pulp. For my final correspondence with you, all I want is that link you refuse to give me about the partial sample in the A vessel. Will you give it or are you hiding something?