Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[ADP02]

IT WAS PROVEN BY EMAIL YOU LITTLE BlTCH! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO!

YOU EXPLAIN! LMAOOOOOOOO! And just for a point of clarification, USADA didn't accuse him of altering emails. They accused him of interpreting the answers given in emails the way that he would like. That was regarding emails to the TUE specialist in his attempt to AVOID THE TUE PROCESS, not about his email to this doctor who backs him up that there was no IV, which your star witness claimed!




I'VE ANSWERED THIS OVER AND OVER. MAYBE IT DID HAPPEN THAT HE CHANGED TO 50ML OR LESS....WHICH IS WHAT THE **** I SAID YOU NITWIT. DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT HIM SAYING HE DIDN'T REMEMBER WAS ABOUT????? LMAOOOOOOO. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.

HE IS TALKING ABOUT IF HE CHANGED THE IV PROTOCOL TO BE LESS THAN 50ML. HE DOESN'T WANT TO ADMIT TO CHANGING IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY ABOVE 50ML WHICH WOULD BE AGAINST WADA RULES. IF HE CHANGED IT TO 50ML TO AVOID THE TUE PROCESS, ISN'T THAT WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING AND YOU'VE BEEN SAYING I WAS WRONG ABOUT IT? LMAOOOOOOO.

YOU IDIOT!!!!!

AGAIN?????? LMAOOO. ONCE AGAIN....THIS TESTIMONY IS ALL ABOUT PROOF OF HIM AVOIDING THE TUE PROCESS YOU DOPE HEAD. JESUS CHRIST. YOU ARE BECOMING DUMBER AND DUMBER BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TOO HARD TO GET OUT OF ADMITTING THAT YOU WERE WRONG!

LET ME MAKE THIS EVEN MORE CLEAR. IF HE IS LYING, IT STILL SHOWS THAT HE DIDN'T GET A TUE, SO IF THERE WAS NO TUE, THERE IS NOTHING TO MANIPULATE YOU TWAT! LMAOOO!



DEFLECTION!!!!!! WHAT THE **** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PROOF OF TUE MANIPULATION BY SALAZAR???????? LMAOOOOOO.



DEFLECTION!!! WHAT THE **** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PROOF OF TUE MANIPULATION BY SALAZAR!!!!



WHAT? USADA DIDN'T SAY THERE WERE NO TUE'S YOU IDIOT. THAT'S THE POINT. THERE WERE TUE'S. THEY WERE APPROVED OF BY USADA YOU IDIOT. LMAOOOOOO. NOT ONLY THAT, USADA WENT THROUGH THE OPEN LETTER THOROUGHLY AS YOU CAN SEE AS PART OF THEIR INVESTIGATION. THEY POINTED OUT WHAT THEY FELT WAS INACCURATE, CORRECT? SO WHERE DID THEY POINT OUT A TUE FOR AN IV OR ANY MANIPULATION OF THE TUE PROCESS????



YES I SAID IT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN POSTING YOU ABSOLUTE MORON!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOO!!!!




WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING CHANGING THE IV PROTOCOL TO BE AT OR BELOW 50ML YOU ABSOLUTE MORON? LEARN HOW TO COMPREHEND WHAT YOU ARE READING!!!!!


POST YOUR WITNESS STATEMENTS ABOUT THE TUE PROCESS BEING MANIPULATED, ADP02.

AND GIVE ME THE LINK ABOUT THE PARTIAL SAMPLE SEALED IN THE A BOTTLE. WE'RE APPROACHING REQUEST #100 FOR THIS!!!!

What's wrong with you seriously?


1) Your evidence is based on evidence from a guy that nobody trusts. Not USADA not even many of the athletes that he coached.

Same situation with Dr Brown.


So then you bring up an email asking this guy if he remembers something from 4 years earlier. While it's more than possible that he could have remembered the incident,

the email clearly states that HE DOES NOT REMEMBER!!! LOL

Did the email say "That didn't happen"? NO. The response is "I DO NOT RECALL"

Do you want me to explain to you what this means? It appears that I do because all you keep doing is making mistakes! LOL




b) Well there were 2 people who said that they do not remember. The US official and Salazar. I responded above on the US official

Salazar: Man, you are having a hard time with this. Yes, initially it was certainly >50ml (WHICH YOU WERE INITIALLY WRONG until I corrected YOU)

but as per USADA's comments, they stated that even after they changed the protocol, it was STILL >50ml!!!!


More on this, check out my point 8.





2) Did you remember to let us know that YOU WERE CLEARLY WRONG when you brought up that TUEs were not required because you thought that they were giving IVs that were <50ml?

Oh wait, you finally said yes. You said YES BUT instead of admitting your mistake, you came back with another mistake!!! tried to squirm your way out of it. SORRY! but lets point this out in my point 7 and 8


3) WRONG!
a) USADA brought up the IV incident
b) USADA did not say that Salazar was correct.
c) USADA stated that there were witnesses
d) USADA did NOT complete it's invesitigation!!!
e) TUE manipulation was not only for IVs!!!
f) So your logic is that Salazar did everything under the sun except manipulating TUE process? LOL Please stop making a fool out of yourself!




4) Dr Brown and company is not a deflection!!!! You just do not like the TRUTH!

Dr Brown would give athletes what they didn't need or they would be getting doses they didn't require.
Salazar did the same by telling the doctor or other doctors that his athletes needed higher doses and more meds.

All to increase the athletes performance. This was documented in the USADA report and/or other articles.

"Evidence That Salazar Colluded with Dr. Brown to Access Patient Medical
Information and Participate in Dr. Brown’s Treatment of Patients"

5) What does articles on TUE abuse have to do with an example of TUE abuse?

You are getting desperate.

You do not believe multiple witnesses: Check

You do not want me to post your obvious mistakes on you stating that a TUE was not required because you said it was under 50ml: Check

You want us to believe an email given from a guy as proof from when USADA confirms that he is a cheat and confirms that he contorts the facts: Check

You want us to believe that the email means "It didn't happen" even though the guy responds "I do not recall"?: Check


Remember that a few posts ago YOU were reminding me that this has to do with TUE abuse. I guess that you do not want it to be a 2 way street. LOL





6) That is my point. There were TUEs. Plenty of TUEs by multiple athletes in his stable.
They were approved but the point is that it's stated that athletes are getting meds that they shouldn't be getting and doses that they didn't need!
and/or when in combination with other meds, it would be to increase the athletes performance NOT for medical reasons!!!

Am I right or am I right?





7) What you keep on getting confused about is that Salazar is trying to find any way possible to enhance the performance of his athletes. It has nothing to do with the athletes well being. USADA even states this!!!

With that said, when it comes to Salazar, the TUEs, the meds, the specific doses are to enhance performance!!! That is why he hired Dr Brown. It was to use meds to improve performance. That is in fact an abuse that would include an abuse of TUE process.

Then comes the athletes themselves(witnesses). They confirm that Salazar was there to make sure that by way of meds it would enhance performance.




Was asthma drugs used to improve the athlete's performance? YES







8) Man, I see that you are doubling down on your mistakes!!!

"Originally Posted by ADP02 View Post

DEFLECTO: Did you not say that the athletes were all given < 50ml so that is why TUEs were not required?


ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG .... TWICE!!!"

travestyny
"YES I SAID IT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN POSTING YOU ABSOLUTE MORON!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOO!!!!

travestyny
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING CHANGING THE IV PROTOCOL TO BE AT OR BELOW 50ML YOU ABSOLUTE MORON? LEARN HOW TO COMPREHEND WHAT YOU ARE READING!!!!!"

Idiot? Moron? What an embarrassment you have become!!! You doubled down on your mistake.

I think it's going to be that time AGAIN, ... that you come back and DEFLECT!!!




Talk about an idiot calling out others idiot. Well, I get it. If you are an idiot, you have no idea that you are one, Travestyny!!!

BUT to be WRONG TWICE on the same specific topic, well, you must be a "special" kind of idioto!!! LOL

If I were you, I would be too embarrassed to show my face around here!!!

Yet, there is a significant hole in Magness’s description of multiple injections which collectively exceeded the 50 mL WADA infusion limit but were spaced to circumvent the 50 mL limit.

The hole in Magness’s logic concerning how the WADA rule was circumvented is the fact that the medical records for each of the NOP athletes make clear that the entire L-carnitine procedure for each athlete was completed within a two hour period.

The WADA rule prohibited “[i]ntravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period.”424
Thus, there was not sufficient time in the L-carnitine procedure to time or space the infusions or injections, and separate infusions or injections which totaled more than 50 mL as Steve Magness concedes took place and which took place within a period of 6 hours or less each constituted a violation of the infusion rule.

The Logged Formula Worksheet indicates that on January 4, 2012, one day before Galen Rupp received his L-carnitine infusion(s), four (4) 100 mL IV infusion bags containing a concentration of 9.67 grams of L-carnitine per 45 milliliters were prepared by the compounding pharmacy. Galen Rupp’s lawyer has apparently misread the “Logged Formula Worksheet” as allegedly referring to a “45 ML injectable.”

However, on closer examination what the worksheet actually reflects is the preparation of 4 x 100 mL bags of injectable L-carnitine at a concentration of 9.67 grams per 45 mL. That each of the four (4) infusion bags prepared actually contained 100 milliliters at a concentration of 9.67gm per 45 mL is made clear by the fact that the bottom of the log
records that each infusion bag contained approximately 21.4889 grams of L-carnitine.

Thus, the “Logged Formula Worksheet” is a clear indication that Galen Rupp received at least a 100 mL L-carnitine infusion and that he most likely received considerably more than this because 4 x 100 mL infusion bags were prepared the day
prior to his infusion which occurred on January 5, 2012.

Brown administers an L-carnitine infusion to Magness on Monday, November 28, 2011 that is fully consistent with Dr. Greenhaff’s Titration Study and exceeded WADA 50 mL limit Ritzenhein’s infusion exceeded the 50 mL limit

Thus, it may be suspected that Alberto Salazar
had a reason for not sharing the amount of L-carnitine used in Galen Rupp’s infusion.
Of course, a possible reason for not wanting to share the amount of L-carnitine used
would be Salazar’s knowledge that the infusion exceeded the WADA 50 mL threshold.

Thus, just as appears from Rupp’s “Logged Formula Worksheet” we understand that even if the other NOP athletes had infusion bags prepared at the extremely high concentration of 9.67 grams per 45 mL that well over 50mL must have been used in each infusion in order to continue the infusion over the full minimum one hour period of time that Dr. Brown evidently believed was required to attempt to get sufficient uptake of L-carnitine.

After Ritzenhein had his L-carnitine infusion on December 13, 2011, Alvina Begay received her infusion on December 22 and three more NOP athletes, Dawn Grunnagle (Dec. 29), Galen Rupp (Jan. 4) and Lindsay Allen (Jan. 11) received their
infusions in successive weeks.

Almost one year later, USADA states that the IV protocol was still more than 50ml KABOOOOOM!!!

An additional noteworthy piece of information is available from Tara Erdman’s subsequent infusion from Dr. Brown in September of 2012. In Erdman’s infusion the total amount of her post infusion carnitine level was measured rather than simply measuring whether her value exceeded 2000 H umol/L. Erdman’s absolute total L-carnitine level increased from 67 H umol/L to 7269 H umol/L an extraordinary, almost 11,000%, increase. This information as well indicates that the plasma L-carnitine values observed in the NOP athletes post infusion were highly extraordinary, providing further evidence that the NOP athletes received steady state L-carnitine infusions over the entire one (1) hour or more of the infusion period, and thereby establishing that they each almost certainly had infusions in excess of 50 mL.

[koolkc107]

DEFLECTION means that I posted something that you never actually answered to and then you moved onto something that is irrelevant.

Oh, you mean like me asking you a simple question you refuse to answer multiple times?

You know, like if we were discussing IVs before Hauser's report. Like I said, who cares when this came up and I explained why.

If you are presenting yourself as someone knowledgeable in regard to the legality or illegality of what happened with Mayweather on May 1, 2015, how is your reaction to when the news first broke not relevant? And isn't it deflection to continually refuse to share the details of that reaction?


but I also stated that there were discussions that came up. It's a couple of years ago and many people posted but like I said, so what!

All I have asked for is YOUR REACTION. But, you keep changing the subject by accusing me of changing the subject. This when everyone sees you avoiding the same question post after post.

You don't even realize that you have lost credibility each and every time do you?

You can't show this thread to any objective person and have them conclude you are making any relevant points. Everything you say has been crushed and you are reduced to avoiding a simple question and accusing other posters of doing exactly what you have been doing.

Pathetic.

FAIL

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

[travestyny]

Goddamn it you are a moron. How many times do I have to rip through your bullshlt before you admit that you are wrong??????

What's wrong with you seriously?


1) Your evidence is based on evidence from a guy that nobody trusts. Not USADA not even many of the athletes that he coached.

Same situation with Dr Brown.


So then you bring up an email asking this guy if he remembers something from 4 years earlier. While it's more than possible that he could have remembered the incident,

the email clearly states that HE DOES NOT REMEMBER!!! LOL

Did the email say "That didn't happen"? NO. The response is "I DO NOT RECALL"

Do you want me to explain to you what this means? It appears that I do because all you keep doing is making mistakes! LOL

THIS IS VERY SIMPLE!

1. Is there a TUE for an IV? NOPE!
2. Does the ****ing team doctor remember a TUE for an IV being requested. NOPE!
3. Did USADA challenge the contention that Rupp never had a TUE for an IV. NOPE!
4. Did Kara Goucher say that a phone call happened when she was with a team official in which Salazar was furious about not getting an IV. YES! Did an email prove that never happend. YES!

FIND THE TUE FOR THE IV, FOOLIO. WE KNOW YOU CAN'T. YOU LOSE.

Salazar: Man, you are having a hard time with this. Yes, initially it was certainly >50ml (WHICH YOU WERE INITIALLY WRONG until I corrected YOU)

YOU ARE TRYING SO HARD TO PROVE I WAS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING EVEN IF IT MEANS YOU LOSE THE WAR. THAT'S HOW MUCH I'VE BEEN KILLING YORU DUMB ASS. LISTEN, IDIOT, THERE IS TONS OF EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH KEEPING THE INJECTIONS BELOW 50ML.

ONCE AGAIN, I'VE TOLD YOUR ****** ASS THAT EVEN IF THEY WERE ABOVE 50ML, THAT PROVES THERE WAS NO TUE!!!!

SO WHO THE **** WAS WRONG, IDIOT????

but as per USADA's comments, they stated that even after they changed the protocol, it was STILL >50ml!!!!


More on this, check out my point 8.

WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THERE WAS NO TUE??????? AND PART OF THE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS STILL GREATER THAN 50ML IS BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON TIMING. THEY WERE GIVING A BUNCH OF 50ML INJECTIONS THAT ADDED UP TO OVER 50ML WITHIN THE TIME GIVEN. EVEN YOU POSTED THIS YOU MORON!!!!

2) Did you remember to let us know that YOU WERE CLEARLY WRONG when you brought up that TUEs were not required because you thought that they were giving IVs that were <50ml?

THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID YOU ****ING IDIOT. JESUS CHRIST. I said exactly what the report said. They were giving infusions via small injectionS under 50ml. They were trying to get around the rule to AVOID the TUE process, so they gave small injections. The whole point is that it still counts as an infusion if you are giving a bunch of small injections within a certain time. THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT!!!

The guy gave infusions, via small injections under 50ml.

You're too dumb to realize you are saying the same thing because you have no reading comprehension. Here:

They're also pretty good at doing legal injections under 50ml instead of infusions. I know it's permitted, but they've done this with L-carnitine, Magnesium, and iron, plus a few others probably. L-carnitine they took an infusion protocol and instead went with 3-4 small injections while drinking a high glucose drink instead of the glucose+carnitine infusion that was done in the medical journals.50

Do you see it there, or do I need to quote some more?

Oh wait, you finally said yes. You said YES BUT instead of admitting your mistake, you came back with another mistake!!! tried to squirm your way out of it. SORRY! but lets point this out in my point 7 and 8

THERE IS NO MISTAKE IDIOT. YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME EXACT THING, WHICH IS ALSO WHAT USADA IS SAYING. HOW CAN YOU BE SO DUMB?

3) WRONG!
a) USADA brought up the IV incident

WHAT IV INCIDENT? IN DAEGU? STOP TALKING SHlT AND POST SOME PROOF!

b) USADA did not say that Salazar was correct.
c) USADA stated that there were witnesses
d) USADA did NOT complete it's invesitigation!!!
e) TUE manipulation was not only for IVs!!!
f) So your logic is that Salazar did everything under the sun except manipulating TUE process? LOL Please stop making a fool out of yourself!

PROOF MUTHA****ER. DO YOU HAVE ANY? WHERE IS THE TUE FOR AN IV? WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT ANY TUE WAS UNDER FALSE PREMISES? I'VE BEEN WAITING!!!!!

4) Dr Brown and company is not a deflection!!!! You just do not like the TRUTH!

Dr Brown would give athletes what they didn't need or they would be getting doses they didn't require.
Salazar did the same by telling the doctor or other doctors that his athletes needed higher doses and more meds.

All to increase the athletes performance. This was documented in the USADA report and/or other articles.

THIS IS A DEFLECTION. WHAT THE **** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TUEs???????? YOU CAN DOPE AND ATHLETE AND NOT APPLY FOR A TUE, YOU MORON. LMAOOOOOO. STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!!!

5) What does articles on TUE abuse have to do with an example of TUE abuse?

You are getting desperate.

WHAT ARTICLE ON TUE ABUSE? I'VE SEEN KARA SAY 2 LINES ABOUT TUE ABUSE, ONE OF WHICH WAS PROVEN FALSE. THE OTHER SHE CLAIMS WAS IN 2007 AND THERE IS NO INFORMATION ABOUT. SALAZAR GOES ON TO CLAIM RUPP NEVER RECEIVED A TUE FOR AN IV. USADA WHO COMBED THROUGH HIS STATEMENTS DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER MENTIONING THIS. YOU ARE WRONG!

You do not believe multiple witnesses: Check

YOU WON'T EVEN SAY WHO THE WITNESSES ARE AND WHAT THEIR STATEMENTS ARE, SO WHY THE **** SHOULD I BELIEVE THEM?????? YOU GAVE KARA'S STATEMENT WHICH YOU ADMIT WAS PROVEN FALSE, SO WHAT IS IT THAT I SHOULD BE BELIEVING? SOME OF YOUR WITNESSES AREN'T SAYING SHlT ABOUT TUEs AND YOU KNOW IT. THEY ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOPING.

You do not want me to post your obvious mistakes on you stating that a TUE was not required because you said it was under 50ml: Check

ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID YOU IDIOT. I SAID THAT SALAZAR WAS GIVING 50ML INJECTIONS TO GET AROUND THE TUE PROCESS. I DIDN'T MAKE A STATEMENT ON WHETHER THE TUE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED. OBVIOUSLY USADA BELIEVES THAT THE TUE WAS STILL REQUIRED, AND THAT'S THE ****ING POINT. SALAZAR'S PROCEDURE WAS DONE SO THAT HE COULD ARGUE THAT THE WAY THEY DO IT, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A TUE. I'VE POSTED THIS A BILLION TIMES BUT YOU ARE TOO ****ING ****** TO UNDERSTAND IT!

HI Dathan, Alvina ,and Galen, For your interest. When asked about an Infusion, you are to say no.

LCarnitine and Iron in the way we have it done is classified as an injection. So no TUE’s

and no declaration needed, not online and not when asked about infusions when getting drug tested in or out of competition.. Thanks.380

CAN YOU ****ING READ???? HE'S SAYING THAT IT'S CLASSIFIED NOT AS AN INFUSION, BUT AS AN INJECTION! I'M NOT SAYING HE IS RIGHT, YOU IDIOT. I'M EXPLAINING WHAT HE TRIED TO DO TO GET AROUND APPLYING FOR A TUE YOU ABSOLUTE MORON!!!!!

You want us to believe an email given from a guy as proof from when USADA confirms that he is a cheat and confirms that he contorts the facts: Check

USADA never accused him of altering emails, you idiot. They accused him of taking the information and interpreting it the way he wants, and that's exactly what I'm telling you about his emails with the TUE specialist...taking that and thinking he can give a bunch of 50ml injections and it doesn't count as an infusion. You are really ****ing slow!

You want us to believe that the email means "It didn't happen" even though the guy responds "I do not recall"?: Check

IT'S CALLED EVIDENCE, WHICH YOU HAVE NONE!

A. The team doctor doesn't recall this IV that Goucher claims Salazar made a huge fuss over.

B. TUE's were revealed, and no sign of an IV.

C. Salazar goes on record that there never was a TUE for an IV, and USADA doesn't challenge this.

D. Goucher's info. that she was in the car with an officer when Salazar made a call about an IV...this was proven wrong.


THAT'S 4 PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE WRONG...AND NO EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT. NONE. ZERO!

Remember that a few posts ago YOU were reminding me that this has to do with TUE abuse. I guess that you do not want it to be a 2 way street. LOL

WHAT???? No idea what you are talking about. I know that you are desperate and getting the shlt klcked out of you.

6) That is my point. There were TUEs. Plenty of TUEs by multiple athletes in his stable.

DUDE. THERE WERE 4 TUE'S SINCE 2011. THAT IS PLENTY OF TUEs? LMAOOOOOOOO! WRONG!

They were approved but the point is that it's stated that athletes are getting meds that they shouldn't be getting and doses that they didn't need!
and/or when in combination with other meds, it would be to increase the athletes performance NOT for medical reasons!!!

Am I right or am I right?

WRONGGGGGGGGG!!!!! If there was no TUE, then there is nothing to discuss. This is about TUEs. This isn't about what they are giving them that they don't need UNLESS THERE IS A TUE FOR IT! STOP DEFLECTING!

7) What you keep on getting confused about is that Salazar is trying to find any way possible to enhance the performance of his athletes. It has nothing to do with the athletes well being. USADA even states this!!!

DEFLECTION!!!!! WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TUEs????? ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT WHAT SALAZAR TRIED TO DO UNLESS IT'S ABOUT PROOF OF MANIPULATING TUEs. STOP DEFLECTING!

With that said, when it comes to Salazar, the TUEs, the meds, the specific doses are to enhance performance!!! That is why he hired Dr Brown. It was to use meds to improve performance. That is in fact an abuse that would include an abuse of TUE process.

1. Dr. Brown was introduced to Salazar by...KARA GOUCHER! HE WAS HER ENDOCRINOLOGIST

2. YOU NEED PROOF. I SENT YOU A TOTAL OF 4 TUEs. Tell us what was wrong with them. Can you do that for me? Thanks!

Then comes the athletes themselves(witnesses). They confirm that Salazar was there to make sure that by way of meds it would enhance performance.

DEFLECTION! I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT TUE MANIPULATION!

Was asthma drugs used to improve the athlete's performance? YES

PROOF WITH RESPECT TO A TUE????????????

8) Man, I see that you are doubling down on your mistakes!!!

Idiot? Moron? What an embarrassment you have become!!! You doubled down on your mistake.

I think it's going to be that time AGAIN, ... that you come back and DEFLECT!!!

Talk about an idiot calling out others idiot. Well, I get it. If you are an idiot, you have no idea that you are one, Travestyny!!!

BUT to be WRONG TWICE on the same specific topic, well, you must be a "special" kind of idioto!!! LOL

If I were you, I would be too embarrassed to show my face around here!!!

Almost one year later, USADA states that the IV protocol was still more than 50ml KABOOOOOM!!!

LMAOOOOOO. LOOK WHAT YOU POSTED YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILE!!!!!!!

Yet, there is a significant hole in Magness’s description of multiple injections which collectively exceeded the 50 mL WADA infusion limit but were spaced to circumvent the 50 mL limit.

The hole in Magness’s logic concerning how the WADA rule was circumvented is the fact that the medical records for each of the NOP athletes make clear that the entire L-carnitine procedure for each athlete was completed within a two hour period.

The WADA rule prohibited “[i]ntravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period.”424
Thus, there was not sufficient time in the L-carnitine procedure to time or space the infusions or injections, and separate infusions or injections which totaled more than 50 mL as Steve Magness concedes took place and which took place within a period of 6 hours or less each constituted a violation of the infusion rule.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S ABOUT, YOU BIG IDIOT? LMAOOOOO. YOU JUST POSTED IT!!!! Clearly I'm not wrong. They did try to give small injections to bypass the rule!!!!!

FOR THE FINAL TIME, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE 50ML RULE SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO APPLY FOR A TUE. YOU KEEP POSTING INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, AND YOU KEEP FALLING FLAT ON YOUR FACE.

AND IF THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THEY DID GO OVER 50ML, THEN THAT IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THEY WERE DOING IT WITHOUT RECEIVING A TUE!!!!!!!! SO WHERE IS THE TUE MANIPULATION?????? WHY THE **** WOULD YOU KEEP FIGHTING WITH ME OVER WHETHER THEY WENT OVER 50 OR NOT WHEN I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHETHER THEY DID OR NOT. IT ALL PROVES THAT THERE WAS NO TUE YOU IDIOT.

HE ALSO TRIED TO CLASSIFY THE EXPERIMENTS AS CLINICAL INVESTIGATIONS. WHY????? BECAUSE THEY WOUDN'T REQUIRE A TUE!!!!! SO ARE YOU GOING TO HARP ON, "OH YOU'RE WRONG...YOU'RE WRONG..YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT THEY ALSO CLASSIFIED AS CLINICAL INVESTIGATIONS.....WHO GIVES A **** KNOWING THAT THIS STILL PROVES MY POINT THAT THEY WERE AVOIDING TUEs!!!!!

Second, Salazar asks for permission to give the infusions as part of “a clinical test” (he uses the term “clinical test” twice in his email) to be “administered in a Doctor's clinic.” His repetitive use of the term “clinical” and “clinic” may reflect Salazar’s appreciation of the wording of the WADA infusion rule at the time which stated "Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or
clinical investigations” and possibly of his knowledge of the relevant WADA guidance document concerning the infusion rule which stated at that time that “if an intervention is part of a clinical investigation or hospital admission, there is no requirement for either an advance or retroactive TUE.”374

SIMPLE QUESTION. IN THESE EXPERIMENTS, WERE THEY MANIPULATING TUEs OR WERE THEY TRYING TO AVOID HAVING TO APPLY FOR A TUE???? LET'S WATCH YOU SQUIRM.....IDIOT


YOU WERE WRONG AND YOU KEEP PROVING YOURSELF WRONG, YOU MORON. THERE WAS NO TUE MANIPULATION. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE WERE ONLY 4 TUE'S SINCE 2011!!!!! You are tripping yourself up.

I don't know why you keep seemingly trying to argue that I believe he is innocent. I don't know if he was innocent or guilty. The only stance I'm taking is that he was innocent of TUE manipulation, which the facts show!!! You can't be charged with manipulating facts to receive a TUE...if no TUE was sought or awarded. This would be clear logic for those of us with a brain!

I'm not arguing that he was innocent for giving 50ml injections, fool. I'm arguing that he was acting in a manner to AVOID APPLYING FOR A TUE, WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION!!!!

GIVE ME THE ****ING LINK!!!!

[travestyny]

ADP02, are you now refusing to admit that you are wrong about Salazar over and over so that you can avoid giving me the link that I've asked for nearly 30 times?????

give me the link.

first, i want the link to that wada quote about a partial sample in an a container.

respond and give me the link i asked for. I'm waiting...

give me the ****ing link

respond and give me that link that i asked for!!!! [color="red"]the **** is taking so long?!

give me the link for you talking about leaving a partial sample in the a bottle. I asked you for this a number of times now.

let me get the link for this right now,

you got the link or what?

where is the link??? I asked about 8 times now!!!

Why wont you give me the link?

how did you respond to my post asking you for the link....without giving the link? what the ****? show me the link!!!! How many times have i asked?

What is the hold up???

and i told you what link i want. The link for the partial sample in the a vessel. I literally just posted it, and not buried in an essay like you!

Wtf? You seem like you are squirming and deflecting! [how about you give me the link

let me get the link for this right now

you got the link or what?

i been asking for the link for a long time. Can you pass it to me???

kindly send me the link for your quote about the partial sample in the a bottle. I been asking for awhile. Want to check it out. Can you do that before you respond to this? Should only take a second. Thanks.

]and im still waiting for that link. Why havent i gotten it yet? How many times do i have to ask for it?

give me that link!!!!

[b][size="5"]why have you been ducking this so hard. i want that link. Give it up!

and give me that link. you were just here. Why are you ducking that link???? Something seems fishy!!!!!!

I'm not even going to update this list...i've asked about a dozen times since I first put this list toegeter.

ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE ME THIS LINK OR ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP DUCKING!!!?????

[Shape up]

So the TUE covers their ass... by documenting the bullshlt that YOU claim you can easily prove...and having it sit around in a database that can be seen by ADOs, WADA, and possibly hacked.

Makes so much sense.

Makes lots of sense, Floyd wanted something for his 150k, what doesn't make sense is that a rule clearly states that you can't have an IV at home without a prior TUE and you can't comprehend that

[travestyny]

Makes lots of sense, Floyd wanted something for his 150k, what doesn't make sense is that a rule clearly states that you can't have an IV at home without a prior TUE and you can't comprehend that

You can't comprehend what a retroactive TUE is, and that it allows you to have treatment anywhere that you are because the whole purpose of a TUE is to allow the athlete to be in good health. There is no way that an IV being delivered at someone's home would be against the rules if a TUE is granted. The athlete's health trumps all.

Ian McCall, an MMA fighter, had an IV that was NOT at a hospital. He received a retro TUE.

And you think USADA risks it's neck for $150,000? lmao. Give me a break.

[Shape up]

You can't comprehend what a retroactive TUE is, and that it allows you to have treatment anywhere that you are because the whole purpose of a TUE is to allow the athlete to be in good health. There is no way that an IV being delivered at someone's home would be against the rules if a TUE is granted. The athlete's health trumps all.

Ian McCall, an MMA fighter, had an IV that was NOT at a hospital. He received a retro TUE.

And you think USADA risks it's neck for $150,000? lmao. Give me a break.

McCall was throwing up, couldn't tolerate fluids and afterwards was taken to hospital, the fight was cancelled, that is completely different to fluid IVayweather, he was mildly dehydrated and compared his IV to drinking sports drinks, if that's the best you can come up with then your scraping the bottom of the barrel, notice that in McCalls case they named the doctor, why not in fluids case

[travestyny]

McCall was throwing up, couldn't tolerate fluids and afterwards was taken to hospital, the fight was cancelled, that is completely different to fluid IVayweather, he was mildly dehydrated and compared his IV to drinking sports drinks, if that's the best you can come up with then your scraping the bottom of the barrel, notice that in McCalls case they named the doctor, why not in fluids case

That's right, and exactly the point!

Can you show me a video of him throwing up? At the weigh-in he looked just fine. He was even inviting a brawl at the weigh-in.

Now if it wasn't reported that he was throwing up and furthermore, you clowns would be saying the same thing. He looked fine at the weigh-in. He was drinking water (which he admit he had quite a bit of), HE PASSED HIS NSAC PHYSICAL AND WAS SET TO FIGHT.


SOMEHOW HE PASSED THIS NSAC PHYSICAL, AND THE DOCTOR TOLD HIM HE COULD HAVE DIED. SO UMMM...WHO'S GOING TO TELL US HOW GREAT THIS NSAC PHYSICAL IS AND WHAT IT PROVES NOW???

See the point?

And again, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE IV IN A HOSPITAL, BUT EITHER AT THE VENUE OF THE WEIGH-IN OR AT SOME SORT OF ACCOMMODATIONS SET UP FOR FIGHTERS.

AND HE WASN'T TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. SO THIS PROVES THAT THE TUE COULD BE RECEIVED ANYWHERE, JUST AS WE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU. YOU DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE PERSON GOES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SAY...SEE, IT WAS RIGHT TO GIVE HIM THE IV AT THAT PARTICULAR ACCOMMODATION. YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT THE ATHLETE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

[ADP02]

Goddamn it you are a moron. How many times do I have to rip through your bullshlt before you admit that you are wrong??????





THIS IS VERY SIMPLE!

1. Is there a TUE for an IV? NOPE!
2. Does the ****ing team doctor remember a TUE for an IV being requested. NOPE!
3. Did USADA challenge the contention that Rupp never had a TUE for an IV. NOPE!
4. Did Kara Goucher say that a phone call happened when she was with a team official in which Salazar was furious about not getting an IV. YES! Did an email prove that never happend. YES!

FIND THE TUE FOR THE IV, FOOLIO. WE KNOW YOU CAN'T. YOU LOSE.




YOU ARE TRYING SO HARD TO PROVE I WAS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING EVEN IF IT MEANS YOU LOSE THE WAR. THAT'S HOW MUCH I'VE BEEN KILLING YORU DUMB ASS. LISTEN, IDIOT, THERE IS TONS OF EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH KEEPING THE INJECTIONS BELOW 50ML.

ONCE AGAIN, I'VE TOLD YOUR ****** ASS THAT EVEN IF THEY WERE ABOVE 50ML, THAT PROVES THERE WAS NO TUE!!!!

SO WHO THE **** WAS WRONG, IDIOT????




WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THERE WAS NO TUE??????? AND PART OF THE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS STILL GREATER THAN 50ML IS BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON TIMING. THEY WERE GIVING A BUNCH OF 50ML INJECTIONS THAT ADDED UP TO OVER 50ML WITHIN THE TIME GIVEN. EVEN YOU POSTED THIS YOU MORON!!!!



THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID YOU ****ING IDIOT. JESUS CHRIST. I said exactly what the report said. They were giving infusions via small injectionS under 50ml. They were trying to get around the rule to AVOID the TUE process, so they gave small injections. The whole point is that it still counts as an infusion if you are giving a bunch of small injections within a certain time. THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT!!!



You're too dumb to realize you are saying the same thing because you have no reading comprehension. Here:



Do you see it there, or do I need to quote some more?



THERE IS NO MISTAKE IDIOT. YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME EXACT THING, WHICH IS ALSO WHAT USADA IS SAYING. HOW CAN YOU BE SO DUMB?



WHAT IV INCIDENT? IN DAEGU? STOP TALKING SHlT AND POST SOME PROOF!



PROOF MUTHA****ER. DO YOU HAVE ANY? WHERE IS THE TUE FOR AN IV? WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT ANY TUE WAS UNDER FALSE PREMISES? I'VE BEEN WAITING!!!!!




THIS IS A DEFLECTION. WHAT THE **** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TUEs???????? YOU CAN DOPE AND ATHLETE AND NOT APPLY FOR A TUE, YOU MORON. LMAOOOOOO. STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!!!



WHAT ARTICLE ON TUE ABUSE? I'VE SEEN KARA SAY 2 LINES ABOUT TUE ABUSE, ONE OF WHICH WAS PROVEN FALSE. THE OTHER SHE CLAIMS WAS IN 2007 AND THERE IS NO INFORMATION ABOUT. SALAZAR GOES ON TO CLAIM RUPP NEVER RECEIVED A TUE FOR AN IV. USADA WHO COMBED THROUGH HIS STATEMENTS DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER MENTIONING THIS. YOU ARE WRONG!



YOU WON'T EVEN SAY WHO THE WITNESSES ARE AND WHAT THEIR STATEMENTS ARE, SO WHY THE **** SHOULD I BELIEVE THEM?????? YOU GAVE KARA'S STATEMENT WHICH YOU ADMIT WAS PROVEN FALSE, SO WHAT IS IT THAT I SHOULD BE BELIEVING? SOME OF YOUR WITNESSES AREN'T SAYING SHlT ABOUT TUEs AND YOU KNOW IT. THEY ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOPING.



ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID YOU IDIOT. I SAID THAT SALAZAR WAS GIVING 50ML INJECTIONS TO GET AROUND THE TUE PROCESS. I DIDN'T MAKE A STATEMENT ON WHETHER THE TUE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED. OBVIOUSLY USADA BELIEVES THAT THE TUE WAS STILL REQUIRED, AND THAT'S THE ****ING POINT. SALAZAR'S PROCEDURE WAS DONE SO THAT HE COULD ARGUE THAT THE WAY THEY DO IT, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A TUE. I'VE POSTED THIS A BILLION TIMES BUT YOU ARE TOO ****ING ****** TO UNDERSTAND IT!



CAN YOU ****ING READ???? HE'S SAYING THAT IT'S CLASSIFIED NOT AS AN INFUSION, BUT AS AN INJECTION! I'M NOT SAYING HE IS RIGHT, YOU IDIOT. I'M EXPLAINING WHAT HE TRIED TO DO TO GET AROUND APPLYING FOR A TUE YOU ABSOLUTE MORON!!!!!



USADA never accused him of altering emails, you idiot. They accused him of taking the information and interpreting it the way he wants, and that's exactly what I'm telling you about his emails with the TUE specialist...taking that and thinking he can give a bunch of 50ml injections and it doesn't count as an infusion. You are really ****ing slow!



IT'S CALLED EVIDENCE, WHICH YOU HAVE NONE!

A. The team doctor doesn't recall this IV that Goucher claims Salazar made a huge fuss over.

B. TUE's were revealed, and no sign of an IV.

C. Salazar goes on record that there never was a TUE for an IV, and USADA doesn't challenge this.

D. Goucher's info. that she was in the car with an officer when Salazar made a call about an IV...this was proven wrong.


THAT'S 4 PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE WRONG...AND NO EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT. NONE. ZERO!



WHAT???? No idea what you are talking about. I know that you are desperate and getting the shlt klcked out of you.



DUDE. THERE WERE 4 TUE'S SINCE 2011. THAT IS PLENTY OF TUEs? LMAOOOOOOOO! WRONG!



WRONGGGGGGGGG!!!!! If there was no TUE, then there is nothing to discuss. This is about TUEs. This isn't about what they are giving them that they don't need UNLESS THERE IS A TUE FOR IT! STOP DEFLECTING!



DEFLECTION!!!!! WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TUEs????? ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT WHAT SALAZAR TRIED TO DO UNLESS IT'S ABOUT PROOF OF MANIPULATING TUEs. STOP DEFLECTING!



1. Dr. Brown was introduced to Salazar by...KARA GOUCHER! HE WAS HER ENDOCRINOLOGIST

2. YOU NEED PROOF. I SENT YOU A TOTAL OF 4 TUEs. Tell us what was wrong with them. Can you do that for me? Thanks!



DEFLECTION! I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT TUE MANIPULATION!



PROOF WITH RESPECT TO A TUE????????????




LMAOOOOOO. LOOK WHAT YOU POSTED YOU ABSOLUTE IMBECILE!!!!!!!




WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S ABOUT, YOU BIG IDIOT? LMAOOOOO. YOU JUST POSTED IT!!!! Clearly I'm not wrong. They did try to give small injections to bypass the rule!!!!!

FOR THE FINAL TIME, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE 50ML RULE SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO APPLY FOR A TUE. YOU KEEP POSTING INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, AND YOU KEEP FALLING FLAT ON YOUR FACE.

AND IF THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THEY DID GO OVER 50ML, THEN THAT IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THEY WERE DOING IT WITHOUT RECEIVING A TUE!!!!!!!! SO WHERE IS THE TUE MANIPULATION?????? WHY THE **** WOULD YOU KEEP FIGHTING WITH ME OVER WHETHER THEY WENT OVER 50 OR NOT WHEN I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHETHER THEY DID OR NOT. IT ALL PROVES THAT THERE WAS NO TUE YOU IDIOT.

HE ALSO TRIED TO CLASSIFY THE EXPERIMENTS AS CLINICAL INVESTIGATIONS. WHY????? BECAUSE THEY WOUDN'T REQUIRE A TUE!!!!! SO ARE YOU GOING TO HARP ON, "OH YOU'RE WRONG...YOU'RE WRONG..YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT THEY ALSO CLASSIFIED AS CLINICAL INVESTIGATIONS.....WHO GIVES A **** KNOWING THAT THIS STILL PROVES MY POINT THAT THEY WERE AVOIDING TUEs!!!!!



SIMPLE QUESTION. IN THESE EXPERIMENTS, WERE THEY MANIPULATING TUEs OR WERE THEY TRYING TO AVOID HAVING TO APPLY FOR A TUE???? LET'S WATCH YOU SQUIRM.....IDIOT


YOU WERE WRONG AND YOU KEEP PROVING YOURSELF WRONG, YOU MORON. THERE WAS NO TUE MANIPULATION. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE WERE ONLY 4 TUE'S SINCE 2011!!!!! You are tripping yourself up.

I don't know why you keep seemingly trying to argue that I believe he is innocent. I don't know if he was innocent or guilty. The only stance I'm taking is that he was innocent of TUE manipulation, which the facts show!!! You can't be charged with manipulating facts to receive a TUE...if no TUE was sought or awarded. This would be clear logic for those of us with a brain!

I'm not arguing that he was innocent for giving 50ml injections, fool. I'm arguing that he was acting in a manner to AVOID APPLYING FOR A TUE, WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION!!!!

GIVE ME THE ****ING LINK!!!!

Very simple, how can someone saying I DO NOT RECALL = IT DID NOT HAPPEN? Only in Travestyny's mind!

Multiple witnesses > Salazar's contorted version.

USADA brings up and does not refute Kara Goucher's version

USADA states that he couldn't get all the data from Rupp/Salazar/Dr Brown and some data was missing

USADA said the investigation is not over


But wait, I already said all that!!! WTF travestyny!!!





STFU!!! You got this SH$T WRONG TWICE NOW. That is NOT acceptable at this point in time.


Especially when you went as far as calling out the guy who had it right moron, idiot and that I cannot comprehend! When the TRUTH is it is YOU THAT GOT IT WRONG TWICE!!!!

Man, at the very least try to get things right the 2nd time before doing that!



WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT YOU ARE!!!





Oh man, you are going to make me die laughing!!!

What the Fck is wrong with you. Wave your flag. Can you not accept that YOU WERE WRONG TWICE????


Just say that YOU WERE WRONG TWICE and move on. Or do what you always do, DEFLECT!!!


Give it up. Your comprehension skills stinks!

USADA clearly states that the protocol that was changed to still exceeded 50ml!!!




Man, should I continue counting? You got this WRONG 3 TIMEs now!!!

Actually you posted this more than 3 times now .... Give up!!!



.

[travestyny]

Very simple, how can someone saying I DO NOT RECALL = IT DID NOT HAPPEN? Only in Travestyny's mind!

Multiple witnesses > Salazar's contorted version.

USADA brings up and does not refute Kara Goucher's version

USADA states that he couldn't get all the data from Rupp/Salazar/Dr Brown and some data was missing

USADA said the investigation is not over


But wait, I already said all that!!! WTF travestyny!!!





STFU!!! You got this SH$T WRONG TWICE NOW. That is NOT acceptable at this point in time.


Especially when you went as far as calling out the guy who had it right moron, idiot and that I cannot comprehend! When the TRUTH is it is YOU THAT GOT IT WRONG TWICE!!!!

Man, at the very least try to get things right the 2nd time before doing that!



WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT YOU ARE!!!





Oh man, you are going to make me die laughing!!!

What the Fck is wrong with you. Wave your flag. Can you not accept that YOU WERE WRONG TWICE????


Just say that YOU WERE WRONG TWICE and move on. Or do what you always do, DEFLECT!!!


Give it up. Your comprehension skills stinks!

USADA clearly states that the protocol that was changed to still exceeded 50ml!!!




Man, should I continue counting? You got this WRONG 3 TIMEs now!!!

Actually you posted this more than 3 times now .... Give up!!!



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OMG. I READ THE FIRST LINE AND STOPPED. I'LL READ THE REST IN A MOMENT, BUT DUDE. YOU NEED TO STOP DEFLECTING.


1. The team doctor said he didn't recall an IV being requested.

2. TUEs were revealed...none for an IV.

3. Salazar goes on record saying there was never a TUE for an IV. USADA has the records. They don't dispute it.

4. Goucher says there was a heated convo about the IV in her presence. This was proven to be made up.

THERE WAS NO TUE FOR AN IV....UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP MO FARAH, WHO HAD ONE WHEN THE BELIEVED HE WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND HE WAS AIRLIFTED TO A HOSPITAL!

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND GIVE ME THE LINK. STOP THE NONSENSE!