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  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
    I see that you still need to dig a bit DEEPER, WIDER, FASTER


    WADA
    "The DCO sends all Samples collected to the Laboratory for analysis, irrespective of whether or not the Samples meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis."


    Right, the LABs still got the samples!!!! At least you got something right .... even though your question was wrong!!!


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    Answer up to this, son.

    QUOTE]

    If the DCO’s specific gravity reading indicates that the Sample doesn’t have a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis, then the DCO informs the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a further Sample.

    The Athlete’s responsible for providing a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.

    The DCO is to wait as long as necessary to collect such a Sample.

    The Athlete shall be provided with the opportunity to hydrate, but advised not to hydrate excessively, due to the requirement to provide a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.
    https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...14_v1.0_en.pdf
    Requirement: a thing that is COMPULSORY. A NECESSARY CONDITION.


    ANYTHING ELSE, BlTCH. NOW ANSWER ABOUT THAT RESIDUAL URINE!!!

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    • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
      ANSWER THE QUESTION LITTLE BlTCH. DID YOU FIND THE CODE THAT YOU SAID WAS MISSING IN ANNEX A?

      DID YOU?

      BOW DOWN, BlTCH.
      Problem is ****** that you google usada, try googling their boss, WADA annex APART THREE: ANNEXES .................................................. ....................................... 78 ANNEX A - WADA EXTERNAL QUALITY ASSESSMENT SCHEME (EQAS).................... 78
      1.0
      1.1 1.2 1.3
      2.0
      2.1
      2.2 2.3
      3.0
      3.1 3.2 3.3
      3.4
      WADA EXTERNAL QUALITY ASSESSMENT SCHEME ....................................... 78
      Open (Educational) EQAS .................................................. ............................ 78 Blind EQAS .................................................. ................................................ 78 Double Blind EQAS .................................................. .....................................79
      EXTERNAL QUALITY ASSESSMENT SCHEME SAMPLE COMPOSITION............. 79
      EQAS Samples Void of Prohibited Substances or Methods, their Metabolite(s) or Marker(s)(blank samples).......................................... ....................................79 Adulterated EQAS samples .................................................. ..........................79 EQAS Samples Containing Prohibited Substances, their Metabolite(s) or Marker(s), or the Marker(s) of Prohibited Methods .................................................. .........79
      2.3.1 EQAS sample composition .................................................. ..................... 79 2.3.2 Individual EQAS sample content of Prohibited Substance(s) or Method(s), or
      Metabolite(s) or Marker(s)......................................... ..............................80 EVALUATION OF EXTERNAL QUALITY ASSESSMENT SCHEME ....................... 81
      Evaluation of EQAS Samples Containing Non-Threshold Substances....................81 Evaluation of EQAS Samples Containing Threshold Substances...........................81 Accreditation Maintenance and Laboratory Evaluation .......................................82
      3.3.1 Methods utilized in EQAS.............................................. ...........................82 3.3.2 False Adverse Analytical Finding result .................................................. .... 82 3.3.3 False negative result............................................ ................................... 83 3.3.4 Threshold Substance result............................................ .......................... 84 3.3.5 Overall Laboratory evaluation .................................................. ................ 84
      Probationary Period and Probationary Laboratory Evaluation..............................86 3.4.1 Methods utilized.......................................... ...........................................86 3.4.2 False Adverse Analtyical Finding result .................................................. .... 86 3.4.3 False negative result............................................ ................................... 86 3.4.4 Threshold Substance result............................................ .......................... 87 3.4.5 Overall probationary laboratory evaluation ................................................ 87 this is WADA annex Aso everything stated in the contract has been referred to WADA sites, so how do you know which annex A is being referenced in this instance ***head, as I stated, ANOTHER LOOPHOLE for Fluid IVayweather knobjockey

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      • Originally posted by shape up View Post
        problem is ****** that you google usada, try googling their boss, wada annex apart three: Annexes .................................................. ....................................... 78 annex a - wada external quality assessment scheme (eqas).................... 78
        1.0
        1.1 1.2 1.3
        2.0
        2.1
        2.2 2.3
        3.0
        3.1 3.2 3.3
        3.4
        wada external quality assessment scheme ....................................... 78
        open (educational) eqas .................................................. ............................ 78 blind eqas .................................................. ................................................ 78 double blind eqas .................................................. .....................................79
        external quality assessment scheme sample composition............. 79
        eqas samples void of prohibited substances or methods, their metabolite(s) or marker(s)(blank samples).......................................... ....................................79 adulterated eqas samples .................................................. ..........................79 eqas samples containing prohibited substances, their metabolite(s) or marker(s), or the marker(s) of prohibited methods .................................................. .........79
        2.3.1 eqas sample composition .................................................. ..................... 79 2.3.2 individual eqas sample content of prohibited substance(s) or method(s), or
        metabolite(s) or marker(s)......................................... ..............................80 evaluation of external quality assessment scheme ....................... 81
        evaluation of eqas samples containing non-threshold substances....................81 evaluation of eqas samples containing threshold substances...........................81 accreditation maintenance and laboratory evaluation .......................................82
        3.3.1 methods utilized in eqas.............................................. ...........................82 3.3.2 false adverse analytical finding result .................................................. .... 82 3.3.3 false negative result............................................ ................................... 83 3.3.4 threshold substance result............................................ .......................... 84 3.3.5 overall laboratory evaluation .................................................. ................ 84
        probationary period and probationary laboratory evaluation..............................86 3.4.1 methods utilized.......................................... ...........................................86 3.4.2 false adverse analtyical finding result .................................................. .... 86 3.4.3 false negative result............................................ ................................... 86 3.4.4 threshold substance result............................................ .......................... 87 3.4.5 overall probationary laboratory evaluation ................................................ 87 this is wada annex aso everything stated in the contract has been referred to wada sites, so how do you know which annex a is being referenced in this instance ***head, as i stated, another loophole for fluid ivayweather knobjockey
        lmaooo. This clown is so ****** that he thinks there is only one annex for all documents.

        The contract clearly states THE USADA PROTOCOL, dumbass.

        I swear you pacroaches are the ******est beings ever. Log the **** out!
        Last edited by travestyny; 11-02-2017, 03:36 AM.

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        • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          lmaooo. This clown is so ****** that he thinks there is only one annex for all documents.

          The contract clearly states THE USADA PROTOCOL, dumbass.

          I swear you pacroaches are the ******est beings ever. Log the **** out!
          [SIZE="7"]that adds to my arguement then ******, because the one you posted was the code, not the protocols you dumb ***, but still then you are wrong, it was quoted in rule 4 which referenced WADA you knobjockey/SIZE]
          Last edited by Shape up; 11-02-2017, 02:50 PM.

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          • USADA

            "The DCO will check the specific gravity (concentration) of the sample. Additional samples may be requested if the sample is not within the required range."
            In the above quote, the key word is "may be". So it's not mandatory


            Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
            So now you are starting to get it.

            I brought up the fact that under certain circumstances the DCO can be providing the lab with a Specific Gravity that is not met.

            Finally, YOU GOT IT .... Because YOU FINALLY READ IT!!!!


            But we just dealt with one point. There are all those other points that I brought up.
            Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            No, you moron. You still don't get it.

            You pulled shlt out of your ass, like they can stop if there is no residual urine. Something that you won't even address anymore.

            Don't ever try to talk about what I get, because clearly I get more of this than you do. The DCO is REQUIRED to get a sample that is within the required range. If a sample doesn't meet it, he gives that sample to the lab anyway, and STILL GETS A SAMPLE THAT MEETS THE REQUIRED RANGE.

            Go read something and stop spreading lies.

            I told you about thinking you're more knowledgeable than others. That's why you always make an ass of yourself.

            So what about that residual urine, huh? Do they stop the session if there is none?

            So before USADA was a LIAR and now you are calling them a moron!!!


            Go read again what USADA said. They are NOT saying what you are saying!!!


            USADA clearly uses the word "MAY BE". So that means that there are times where the DCO doesn't get any acceptable Specific Gravity readings from the samples and sends only those off to the LABs.

            This one is going to be tough for you to DEFLECT. You are in far too deep!!!




            and even WADA has a statement:

            WADA

            "The DCO may end the Sample Collection Session if:
            a. None of the Samples collected from the Athlete meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis; and
            b. The DCO determines that for logistical reasons it is impossible to continue"


            So I am right. There are circumstances where the DCO sends to the LAB only samples that do not even meet Suitable Specific Gravity.





            Originally posted by travestyny View Post
            Again, something I already told you.

            Now did you read about the requirement for them to still get a sample that passes the SPG test, or do you wanna pretend that doesn’t exist?

            What you said is that they need to include a urine sample that passes the SG test.

            I stated that there are circumstances where the DCO determines otherwise.


            Read it (see above quotes) and weep. WADA/USADA agree with what I said.



            Who was right? ADP02
            Who was wrong? travestyny






            EDIT: I just read your post above..... You continue to DIG yourself in this hole..... DIG DEEPER, FASTER, WIDER .....

            I just read your response above ... This requirement that exists is trumped by "exceptional circumstances" where the DCO determines otherwise and STOPs!!!!

            In this case, it is CLEARLY stated that the DCO has no urine samples with an SG > limit yet the DCO will just send those samples to the LAB and is NOT REQUIRED to wait any longer!!!! LOL



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            Last edited by ADP02; 11-02-2017, 05:40 PM.

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            • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
              In the above quote, the key word is "may be". So it's not mandatory







              So before USADA was a LIAR and now you are calling them a moron!!!


              Go read again what USADA said. They are NOT saying what you are saying!!!


              USADA clearly uses the word "MAY BE". So that means that there are times where the DCO doesn't get any acceptable Specific Gravity readings from the samples and sends only those off to the LABs.

              This one is going to be tough for you to DEFLECT. You are in far too deep!!!




              and even WADA has a statement:





              So I am right. There are circumstances where the DCO sends to the LAB only samples that do not even meet Suitable Specific Gravity.








              What you said is that they need to include a urine sample that passes the SG test.

              I stated that there are circumstances where the DCO determines otherwise.


              Read it (see above quotes) and weep. WADA/USADA agree with what I said.



              Who was right? ADP02
              Who was wrong? travestyny






              EDIT: I just read your post above..... You continue to DIG yourself in this hole..... DIG DEEPER, FASTER, WIDER .....

              I just read your response above ... This requirement that exists is trumped by "exceptional circumstances" where the DCO determines otherwise and STOPs!!!!

              In this case, it is CLEARLY stated that the DCO has no urine samples with an SG > limit yet the DCO will just send those samples to the LAB and is NOT REQUIRED to wait any longer!!!! LOL



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              You are wrong, and it’s clear that you are wrong.

              There is a REQUIREMENT for the athlete to provide a sample with a suitable specific gravity.

              The DCO does NOT voluntarily end a session dumbass. The session could be ended if it is IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE due to logistical reasons. It says it in your own post dumbass.

              Now tell me, what is the logistical reason that you claim the session could have been stopped if the session was completed, dumbass.

              You refuse to acknowledge the quotations I gave you from WADA. So tell me how this helps you out if USADA completed the sample collection you desperate idiot.

              I’ll wait...

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              • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
                [SIZE="7"]that adds to my arguement then ******, because the one you posted was the code, not the protocols you dumb ***, but still then you are wrong, it was quoted in rule 4 which referenced WADA you knobjockey/SIZE]
                The protocol includes the relevant code in it, dumbass. Go read it again.

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                • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                  I just read your response above ... This requirement that exists is trumped by "exceptional circumstances" where the DCO determines otherwise and STOPs!!!!

                  In this case, it is CLEARLY stated that the DCO has no urine samples with an SG > limit yet the DCO will just send those samples to the LAB and is NOT REQUIRED to wait any longer!!!! LOL

                  .
                  That's great. Cool story, bro. Your fantasy conspiracy theory just took more of a dumb turn. You Pacroaches are by far the ******est creatures around. Now...what do you see?

                  If the DCO’s specific gravity reading indicates that the Sample doesn’t have a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis, then the DCO informs the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a further Sample.

                  The Athlete’s responsible for providing a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.

                  The DCO is to wait as long as necessary to collect such a Sample.

                  The Athlete shall be provided with the opportunity to hydrate, but advised not to hydrate excessively, due to the requirement to provide a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.
                  https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...14_v1.0_en.pdf

                  G.3 Responsibility
                  The Sample Collection Authority is responsible for establishing procedures to ensure that a suitable Sample is collected. If the original Sample collected does not meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis, the DCO is responsible for collecting additional Samples until a suitable Sample is obtained.

                  https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...nuary_2017.pdf

                  You keep ducking this. What does REQUIREMENT mean?


                  And if you think the DCO found exceptional circumstances in this case, then by all means. Tell me what those circumstances are that would have made him STOP the collection session....after the sample was secured, keeping in mind that the DCO's documents will be uploaded to ADAMS and therefore seen by WADA and all other ADO's.


                  Let's hear it, dumbass


                  ---edit----

                  By the way, I've been trying to look for examples of these exceptional circumstances that would allow for terminating the doping control sample session. Check this out:

                  117. After considering all of the submissions of the Appellant and the First Respondent, the Panel concludes that it was physically, hygienically and morally possible for the Athlete to provide a urine sample during the doping control session on 30 June 2012 and that the Athlete had no compelling justification for refusing to submit to sample collection. 

                  https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Sh...ments/3341.pdf
                  The appellant is WADA who got the information from the DCO. And look at what they said. Physically, hygienically, and morally possible. Hmmmm. Didn't I tell you that if the athlete can physically pee, there is no reason for terminating the session???

                  IF HE IS PHYSICALLY ABLE TO PEE, HE MUST PROVIDE AN UNDILUTED SAMPLE!!!

                  This is not rocket science, dumbass. Producing diluted urine samples is NOT a reason to discontinue the collection process. The rules state over and over that if a diluted samples is provided, the DCO is to wait as long as necessary to get an undiluted sample. Furthermore, any diluted samples are flagged BY ADAMS...yes ADAMS, which connects WADA AND A BUNCH OF OTHER EN******.





                  Anymore bullshlt to pull out of your ass? Let's hear you say you're wrong again, dumbass. Oh...and tell us about that whopping drop of urine needed for the SPG test that could force the DCO to not take the SPG


                  You are so desperate that you truly have become a moron. Seek help.
                  Last edited by travestyny; 11-02-2017, 09:07 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                    The protocol includes the relevant code in it, dumbass. Go read it again.
                    See there is your problem, via WADA rules it's all relevant, problem is usada omitted big chunks of it for the PED cheat because he owns them and obviously your arse

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                    • USADA

                      "The DCO will check the specific gravity (concentration) of the sample. Additional samples may be requested if the sample is not within the required range."
                      In the above quote, the key word is "may be". So it's not mandatory


                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      So now you are starting to get it.

                      I brought up the fact that under certain circumstances the DCO can be providing the lab with a Specific Gravity that is not met.

                      Finally, YOU GOT IT .... Because YOU FINALLY READ IT!!!!


                      But we just dealt with one point. There are all those other points that I brought up.
                      Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      No, you moron. You still don't get it.

                      You pulled shlt out of your ass, like they can stop if there is no residual urine. Something that you won't even address anymore.

                      Don't ever try to talk about what I get, because clearly I get more of this than you do. The DCO is REQUIRED to get a sample that is within the required range. If a sample doesn't meet it, he gives that sample to the lab anyway, and STILL GETS A SAMPLE THAT MEETS THE REQUIRED RANGE.

                      Go read something and stop spreading lies.

                      I told you about thinking you're more knowledgeable than others. That's why you always make an ass of yourself.

                      So what about that residual urine, huh? Do they stop the session if there is none?

                      So before USADA was a LIAR and now you are calling them a moron!!!


                      Go read again what USADA said. They are NOT saying what you are saying!!!


                      USADA clearly uses the word "MAY BE". So that means that there are times where the DCO doesn't get any acceptable Specific Gravity readings from the samples and sends only those off to the LABs.

                      This one is going to be tough for you to DEFLECT. You are in far too deep!!!




                      and even WADA has a statement:

                      WADA

                      "The DCO may end the Sample Collection Session if:
                      a. None of the Samples collected from the Athlete meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis; and
                      b. The DCO determines that for logistical reasons it is impossible to continue"


                      So I am right. There are circumstances where the DCO sends to the LAB only samples that do not even meet Suitable Specific Gravity.





                      Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      Again, something I already told you.

                      Now did you read about the requirement for them to still get a sample that passes the SPG test, or do you wanna pretend that doesn’t exist?

                      What you said is that they need to include a urine sample that passes the SG test.

                      I stated that there are circumstances where the DCO determines otherwise.


                      Read it (see above quotes) and weep. WADA/USADA agree with what I said.



                      Who was right? ADP02
                      Who was wrong? travestyny






                      EDIT: I just read your post above..... You continue to DIG yourself in this hole..... DIG DEEPER, FASTER, WIDER .....

                      I just read your response above ... This requirement that exists is trumped by "exceptional circumstances" where the DCO determines otherwise and STOPs!!!!

                      In this case, it is CLEARLY stated that the DCO has no urine samples with an SG > limit yet the DCO will just send those samples to the LAB and is NOT REQUIRED to wait any longer!!!! LOL



                      .

                      Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      You are wrong, and it’s clear that you are wrong.

                      There is a REQUIREMENT for the athlete to provide a sample with a suitable specific gravity.

                      The DCO does NOT voluntarily end a session dumbass. The session could be ended if it is IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE due to logistical reasons. It says it in your own post dumbass.

                      Now tell me, what is the logistical reason that you claim the session could have been stopped if the session was completed, dumbass.

                      You refuse to acknowledge the quotations I gave you from WADA. So tell me how this helps you out if USADA completed the sample collection you desperate idiot.

                      I’ll wait...
                      Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                      That's great. Cool story, bro. Your fantasy conspiracy theory just took more of a dumb turn. You Pacroaches are by far the ******est creatures around. Now...what do you see?




                      You keep ducking this. What does REQUIREMENT mean?


                      And if you think the DCO found exceptional circumstances in this case, then by all means. Tell me what those circumstances are that would have made him STOP the collection session....after the sample was secured, keeping in mind that the DCO's documents will be uploaded to ADAMS and therefore seen by WADA and all other ADO's.


                      Let's hear it, dumbass


                      ---edit----

                      By the way, I've been trying to look for examples of these exceptional circumstances that would allow for terminating the doping control sample session. Check this out:



                      The appellant is WADA who got the information from the DCO. And look at what they said. Physically, hygienically, and morally possible. Hmmmm. Didn't I tell you that if the athlete can physically pee, there is no reason for terminating the session???

                      IF HE IS PHYSICALLY ABLE TO PEE, HE MUST PROVIDE AN UNDILUTED SAMPLE!!!

                      This is not rocket science, dumbass. Producing diluted urine samples is NOT a reason to discontinue the collection process. The rules state over and over that if a diluted samples is provided, the DCO is to wait as long as necessary to get an undiluted sample. Furthermore, any diluted samples are flagged BY ADAMS...yes ADAMS, which connects WADA AND A BUNCH OF OTHER EN******.





                      Anymore bullshlt to pull out of your ass? Let's hear you say you're wrong again, dumbass. Oh...and tell us about that whopping drop of urine needed for the SPG test that could force the DCO to not take the SPG


                      You are so desperate that you truly have become a moron. Seek help.

                      Poor Travestyny is trying to remove WADA and USADA statements!!!

                      While I read it quickly, I didn't read anything in that case contradicting my statements ... well actually WADA's and USADA's statements. Did you? LOL

                      I didn't even read those WADA and USADA statements in the case. In fact, where they bring up exceptional circumstances, they are stating that in the athlete's case, it wasn't considered exceptional circumstances.


                      Physically cannot urinate is a valid excuse? Well, wasn't that Floyd's problem?


                      Either way, the statements that I brought up trumps ....:
                      What you bring up is trumped by "exceptional circumstances" where the DCO determines otherwise and can STOP!!!!

                      Even in the case that you brought up, they mention that the DCO could have stopped it if he wanted to!
                      SO THANKs!!!!
                      "The Panel notes Article D.4.4 in Annex D of the IST, which states as follows:
                      “…If the Athlete is not satisfied with any of the equipment available for selection, this shall be recorded by the DCO.
                      If the DCO does not agree with the Athlete that all of the equipment available for the selection is unsatisfactory, the DCO shall instruct the Athlete to proceed with the Sample Collection Session.
                      If the DCO agrees with the Athlete that all of the equipment available for the selection is unsatisfactory, the DCO shall terminate the collection of the Athlete’s urine Sample and this shall be recorded by the DCO”.

                      So what you said here is WRONG!


                      It's that time again .... DIG DEEPER, WIDER .... FASTER!!! LOL



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