Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[koolkc107]

Who would know better how to beat the system

Conte got caught, so what system did he beat?

Besides, when I see posters drag him out as some kind of authority, I wonder which Conte they are quoting.

Are they quoting the guy that says he just wants to help keep the sport clean?

Or are they quoting the guy that will do anything for money and the spotlight?

See, both Contes are still alive and well.

Unless he is hooked up to 2 lie dectectors, I am not taking anything he says as truth.

[ADP02]

I will respond to this laterz ..... but this was really all a big DEFLECTION!!!


You say it was easy but yes, it was easy if your point was to DEFLECT from my question!!!




To correct your DEFLECTION (your last quotes): You had no document as a Lance Armstrong fan back in 2000, 2005, 2009 .... So again, would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?




ALL that writing .... was just so you can try to DEFLECT from my very simple question!!!


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Sooooo, just because you don’t like my answers you say it’s a deflection. Yea, I didn’t see that one coming at all.

What you fail to understand, ya big idiot, is that THERE IS INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. It’s not hard to make an informed opinion based on the system that is in place.

You’ll understand more if you have enough balls to ANSWER MY ****ING QUESTIONS THAT YOU KEEP DUCKING.

Let’s see. Your questions, I answered them all.

WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS? Still waiting! Stop ducking and deflecting and answer. You’re looking like a straight bltch right now to show up here and not even mention the 8 or so questions that I’ve asked you to answer 3 times.

So who’s ducking and deflectin, bltch?

I come back to see another DEFLECTION!!!!




What's your problem? It's not hard to understand my question.

If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2000 would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?


If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2005 would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?


If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2009/2010 (when he returned from retirement) would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?

[ADP02]

Um....the Fed that brought down Lance didn't see any issue. If he did, WHY THE **** WOULD HE NEGOTIATE FOR USADA TO TAKE OVER DRUG TESTING OPERATIONS FOR MMA.

In fact, the guy you are talking about said THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY.

Jeff Novitsky about the Mayweather case:


Here's more that directly contradicts what you said

There are deviations.
USADA should be able to test the athlete 365 days a year but that is not the case. Furthermore, it has been criticized that Floyd can minimize the testing even further by signing to fight very late in the game. For example, Berto fight they had under 39 days and I'm sure that it takes a bit of time for USADA to set up a plan/strategy.

So unlike other athletes where USADA can surprise them during their off-season, as an example, Floyd is the BOSS. Floyd sets the START and END Dates for his testing.



Here is what Novitsky says about USADA/RETRO TUEs. What a joke!!! So now go back to Lance Armstrong's case about getting his doctor's note ..... sound familiar?

“There is a process called a retroactive TUE, which would allow an athlete to go back and say, ‘Hey, I made a mistake by not submitting my TUE (ahead of time), but here’s my records showing I really did need this medically,” Novitzky said. “Generally, an athlete could be afforded that process where they could go back to their doctor and show why there was a medical need for it.”




Novitzky said any such request made to USADA for a RETRO TUE would have been thoroughly vetted. Again, he stressed his comments were about the process in general and was not referring specifically to Penn’s case.

“Once that’s submitted, it goes to a TUE committee that USADA has, a group of experts and medical doctors that look at the application to determine whether or not there was a medical need,” he said. “So both of those things, putting together the request and then the committee reviewing it, can be a matter of weeks or, in extreme cases, months.”



Then Novitsky admits that RETRO TUE requests would be thoroughly vetted .... exception, FLOYD Mayweather!!!



Floyd requested a RETRO TUE and the very next day, it was already on Floyd's lap .... APPROVED! Where was the thorough vetting? ===>>> $$$$$$$$



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[travestyny]

I come back to see another DEFLECTION!!!!




What's your problem? It's not hard to understand my question.

If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2000 would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?


If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2005 would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?


If you were a Lance Armstrong fan and you were asked the question back in the year 2009/2010 (when he returned from retirement) would you have called those scenarios IMPOSSIBLE?

Wow. The ultimate Deflector, who was here every single day lurking, but still refuses to answer the 8 questions that I gave him, finally had the nerve to post again after the dust was all settled and the thread was finally ready to die, as the OP completely stumped all the Floyd haters.

What a surprise. You been hiding from my questions, ADP02. "Say it ain't so!"

Have you ever heard that term? It's pretty popular in sports. "Say it ain't so!"

That's what you're trying to play on without having any insight about me, just more assumptions. Here is the thing:

1. I have never said an athlete using PED's is impossible. This was all completely made up by you. I've already asked you to quote me on this. You never did....because it was completely fabricated by you. If you have further information on this, please quote me regarding where I specifically said that an athlete using PED's, including Floyd Mayweather, is impossible. I may have said specific ways or methods for him to do so is impossible, but I don't even recall that. If you can post up a quotation so I can see specifically what you are referring to, I'll be happy to explain. Both the OP and I have gone on record saying that IF IT WAS PROVEN, AND WE HAD THE PROOF, WE'D BE ON THE PHONE YESTERDAY TRYING TO TELL WHOMEVER THE HIGHEST BIDDER IS. And I mean that. A cheat is a cheat is a cheat, and should be exposed no matter who it is.

2. However, do I believe that the chance that he cheated is so minuscule that the accusation is literally not worth a piece of shlt. Absolutely. Feel free to quote me on that. It's as close to impossible as you can get, though knowing myself, it is extremely rare for me to say that something is flat out impossible, and that's why I've told you to quote me on that.

3. Now the point. You want to know if I were a huge Lance Armstrong fan, would I believe that him cheating (I'll change this up a bit for you) is so close to being impossible as Floyd Mayweather cheating. Again, you're making a huge assumption about me. I'm not a blind fanboy, much like yourself (and if I'm making a huge assumption about you, feel free to correct me on that). Sure we all have a bit of "say it ain't so" in us, but the way I've always handled every situation is simple. WAIT UNTIL ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION HAS COME OUT. When the information about the IV came out, I did not immediately go running around posting that it was all over nothing. To the contrary, I waited for more information. Sure I lean to one side of a controversial situation, but I always reserve judgement as all of the information comes out. I didn't want to believe that Marion Jones was cheating, but I always believed she was guilty, and it turns out that after all the information came out, she was. I didn't want to believe that Barry Bonds was cheating. I remember being asked about him BEFORE all of the information came out. My response: "Look at how the size of his head has changed. In my opinion he is clearly doping, but we have to wait until all of the information comes out." With regards to Pacquiao, believe it or not, I don't hate him and never have. Do I believe he was doping. Yes, I do. All of the excuses his team made up for him and his refusal to be tested/his concern with being tested 14 days before the fight both lead to me believing he was doping. Do I claim to know for sure? Absolutely not. Ask me for proof -- I have none. Do I believe, based on a prior event, that he might have been on Toradol for some of his fights? ABSOLUTELY! However, he never failed a test. I'm not worried about it. Hell, even about OJ Simpson. I didn't believe he killed his wife....not until they showed that he said he didn't own the Bruno Magli shoes, and then they showed a picture of him in them. Ok. Guilty.

4. Lance Armstrong(the great Deflection by you): This is a bit hard to discuss because A) I'm not a fan of cycling. B) We would have to go back to the times that these events were coming out and LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. What we do know is that he received a retro TUE from his doctor, but EVEN THIS WAS AGAINST THE PERTINENT RULES. The UCI rules state that if you are found guilty of doping, you are NOT allowed to then show a prescription for what was found. THIS IS IN THEIR RULE BOOK. So right away, whether it was malicious or not: GUILTY! BOTTOM LINE. END OF THE STORY!

We all can only judge a situation based on the information that is out there. That's what any logical person does. We've looked at all of the information that is out there. It has been explained in this post over and over and over again. The fact that none of the haters can challenge the OP is the ultimate proof that there is nothing to suggest Floyd Mayweather was cheating.

A. Logically, it makes no sense.
B. It is FAR DIFFERENT FROM THE LANCE ARMSTRONG CASE (if you stop ducking my questions, you will be FORCED to admit the same thing. Stop ducking!)
C. The evidence to the contrary falls so far short of the goal that it's not even worthy of discussing.

Of your questions, the one that you are leaning on the hardest being a deflection to Lance Armstrong should reveal to you that this is much ado about nothing. The farthest you guys can get, which I will acknowledge, is that we don't have information about Floyd Mayweather's physical condition at the time of the IV. You can bring up NSAC and their physical, which is fine, but you refuse to acknowledge that it is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD THAT SINCE THE NSAC EXISTED, THERE IS NO PROOF OF THEM EVER FINDING EVEN ONE ATHLETE TO BE DEHYDRATED BASED ON THEIR PHYSICAL EXAMINATION, AND WE BOTH KNOW DAMN WELL THAT IN BOXING, A BEVY OF ATHLETES HAVE BEEN DEHYDRATED DURING THEIR NSAC PHYSICALS. Am I wrong? If so, let me know. So once that is established, all we have is the medical records, which of course by the rules will never be released. So hey, you are very free to speculate based on that, because that is something that we both will likely never see....

And honestly, that is irrelevant to me. I don't care if USADA allowed him to take an IV, one that was not against the NSAC rules, might I add. What's important to me is...WAS HE TAKING PED'S! That is the meat of this issue. Now when you look at all of the evidence that he was, which by the way turns out to be ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, RIEN, 아무것도.....Then well, sorry. The reason that only you and I are discussing this, let's be honest, is because you are extremely hurt that Manny Pacquiao lost. There's not much more to see here. But....


PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. STOP DUCKING. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN YOUR ANSWERS. (This is maybe the fourth time that I've answered your questions, and I've been waiting for you to answer mine a long time. Be a man and do it!)

[travestyny]

There are deviations.
USADA should be able to test the athlete 365 days a year but that is not the case. Furthermore, it has been criticized that Floyd can minimize the testing even further by signing to fight very late in the game. For example, Berto fight they had under 39 days and I'm sure that it takes a bit of time for USADA to set up a plan/strategy.

So unlike other athletes where USADA can surprise them during their off-season, as an example, Floyd is the BOSS. Floyd sets the START and END Dates for his testing.

We've been through this already. This is a brick thrown at every boxer in the game except for Nonito Donaire. Right? But when it comes to the situation under discussion, you duck and deflect away from the tough question:

If Floyd Mayweather used PED's in the time before training camp and then cycled off, why the **** would he try to mask PED use the day before the fight? How do you reconcile this? It makes no sense at all and what you are posting here is a direct contradiction of your argument!

Here is what Novitsky says about USADA/RETRO TUEs. What a joke!!! So now go back to Lance Armstrong's case about getting his doctor's note ..... sound familiar?

No, actually it doesn't sound familiar. I've been waiting for you to answer my questions to further get into Lance's retro TUE vs. Floyd's retro TUE. ANSWER MY ****ING QUESTION SO I CAN SHOW YOU HOW ****** YOU ARE TO EVEN COMPARE THE TWO.

“There is a process called a retroactive TUE, which would allow an athlete to go back and say, ‘Hey, I made a mistake by not submitting my TUE (ahead of time), but here’s my records showing I really did need this medically,” Novitzky said. “Generally, an athlete could be afforded that process where they could go back to their doctor and show why there was a medical need for it.”

Novitzky said any such request made to USADA for a RETRO TUE would have been thoroughly vetted. Again, he stressed his comments were about the process in general and was not referring specifically to Penn’s case.

“Once that’s submitted, it goes to a TUE committee that USADA has, a group of experts and medical doctors that look at the application to determine whether or not there was a medical need,” he said. “So both of those things, putting together the request and then the committee reviewing it, can be a matter of weeks or, in extreme cases, months.”

Then Novitsky admits that RETRO TUE requests would be thoroughly vetted .... exception, FLOYD Mayweather!!!

Floyd requested a RETRO TUE and the very next day, it was already on Floyd's lap .... APPROVED! Where was the thorough vetting? ===>>> $$$$$$$$
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Whose side are you on. Novitsky, who by the way has sided with USADA on this case (which thoroughly shlts on you trying to use him to advance your agenda), made this pretty damn clear.

Here is what he said, SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S CASE:

"Based on 15 years of working with them and seeing how they make decisions and seeing how those decisions are ethical and how every single time they adhere to carrying out the WADA code, I have 100 percent confidence that we have enlisted the gold standard, best anti-doping agency in the world and all of our athletes should have that same trust and confidence. I haven't lost any of that in USADA. They're the best."

With regards to the time, how much time do you think 3 medical experts need to determine if an athlete should be allowed to use saline and vitamins??? Especially if the ****ing DCO was present when it was being given, and a urine sample from BEFORE and AFTER the IV were taken. Do you think they need weeks or months for that? Give me a ****ing break!

The completed TUE application was received by USADA on May 19, 2015, and approved on May 21, 2015. Mr. Mayweather, Mr. Pacquiao and the NSAC were all provided notice of Mr. Mayweather’s TUE approval on May 21, 2015.

I would think that 2 days is more than enough time for 3 ****ing medical experts to determine if someone can have some saline and to vet the circumstances to feel confident that the athlete wasn't cheating, don't you think? If not, I think you need to find some new doctors.


By the way, I'll repost my questions for you that you are so desperately ducking. Try not to deflect when you answer, you hear?

[travestyny]

the man they call the DEFLECTOR!!!
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OK, MAN THEY CALL DEFLECTOR! I answered your questions. This is probably the 4th time I posted this (after answering all of your questions, I repeat.) Now can you stop ducking and deflecting and just answer. Oh, and I added a #9. You don't mind, do you?


1. If an IV masks a urine sample by dilution, how is it that Floyd Mayweather was able to accomplish diluting his sample when the sample was tested for dilution by the USADA DCO and by the WADA laboratory? Mind you, the WADA laboratory doesn't have his name on the sample.

2. Was Lance Armstrong ever faced with the Athlete Biological Passport for the Steroidal module that Floyd Mayweather was faced with?

3. [A.]Did Lance Armstrong have to get a retro TUE from an independent group of doctors that didn't have his name on the application? [B.] Did WADA exist when Lance Armstrong received the retroactive TUE?

4. Was Lance Armstrong faced with the same caliber EPO test that Mayweather was faced with?

5. How do you think Mayweather's urine sample was altered to hide PEDs that you claim must have been in his system, yet the ABP with respect to the steroidal module was not set off?

6. Why does it make sense for a paid off USADA to involve a doping control officer, a paramedic, a personal physician, three independent doctors on the the****utic use exemptions committee, the NSAC, Manny Pacquiao, the public, a WADA lab, and WADA itself in their attempt to protect Floyd Mayweather when the best plan of action would clearly be to tell Floyd when they were coming, refuse to document the IV, or both. Clearly they could have stayed away, had the paramedic give him the IV and leave, and then take the sample and no one would know. Please explain.

I know you can't answer this because your previous answer was that they would find plasticizers, but this was debunked by me. So where do you go from there?

7. [A.] Why would the DCO take a urine sample from before the IV if Mayweather was using PED's before the IV? [B.] Why would the DCO take a urine sample from AFTER the IV if the IV infused PED's into Mayweather?

8. [A.] Is Mayweather Promotions the only promotional company that has paid $100,000 for USADA testing? [B.] Do you have a problem with Arum paying $20,000 for VADA to test Pacquiao, or is that quite alright?

9. If, as you have stated, Mayweather takes PED's in the time before training camp and cycles off before the start of training, why would he be attempting to mask PED use the day before a test? Even Conte, whom some of you bring up and one guy posted a video of, stated, "These guys are not ****** enough to try to use something the day before the event." So by all means, please explain your contradiction.

DO NOT DEFLECT OR DUCK. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN ORDER PLEASE.

[Spoon23]

Also, Mayweather was given a pre-fight physical examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on the day of the weigh-in. Did he disclose to commission doctors at that time that he was so badly dehydrated that he needed an IV infusion? No, he did not. Nor, according to NSAC records, did the examining physician find evidence of dehydration.

If a fighter is dehydrated, his blood pressure is likely to be low and his pulse rate high. That wasn’t the case with Mayweather as evidenced by the Nevada State Athletic Commission medical data sheet.

floyd mayweather

Mayweather’s blood pressure was 118/84. In other words, his systolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is contracting and pumping blood out) was 118. And his diastolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is resting between beats) was 84. That’s normal for a professional athlete.

Mayweather’s pulse rate – 60 sitting and 66 standing – was also normal.

When a ring doctor tells a fighter to open his mouth wide at a pre-fight physical examination, the doctor isn’t looking for cavities. He’s checking for loose teeth and cuts inside the mouth. The doctor is also checking the mucous membrane lining inside the fighter’s mouth for signs of dehydration. Furthermore, if a fighter is dehydrated, there are additional signs of that condition in his skin turgor (the time it takes for skin to return to its original position after being pinched). Neither of these conditions was noted by the examining doctor.

For example, the USADA “Detailed Correction” states, “Mr. Hauser fails to specifically identify any provisions in the Testing Agreement that conflict with USADA’s statement that our professional boxing testing programs are in accordance with the WADA International Standards.”

That’s simply wrong.

A copy of the drug-testing agreement entered into between USADA, Floyd Mayweather, and Manny Pacquiao was attached as an exhibit to “Can Boxing Trust USADA?” Paragraph 30 of the contract states, “If any rule or regulation whatsoever incorporated or referenced herein conflicts in any respect with the terms of this Agreement, this Agreement shall in all such respects control. Such rules and regulations include, but are not limited to: the Code [the World Anti-Doping Code]; the USADA Protocol; the WADA Prohibited List; the ISTUE [WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions]; and the ISTI [WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations].”

In response, USADA’s “Detailed Correction” claims, “USADA applies the same set of rules to all fighters who voluntarily agree to participate in a USADA professional boxing testing program.”

But in the same “Detailed Correction,” USADA acknowledges that paragraph 30 of the USADA-Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing agreement (referenced above) varied from its standard professional boxing testing agreement.

Wow! Shape just put a big fat black hole of truth that can't be sealed by any Floyd jizzguzzler. Truth is out!

[Spoon23]

A huge portion of AfroAmerican hall of fame boxers over the last few generations have been caught but their legacies remain intact.

Just because he hasnt been fully caught doesn't mean he's innocent. I say If you cheat on your spouse(s) and/or concubines, youll cheat in the ring. Do I think Pacquiao cheated too yes he probably did


Take it from the Ped pros

“USADA’s boxing testing program is propaganda; that’s all,” ..It has one set of rules for some fighters and a different set of rules for others."says Victor Conte.

The day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather took two intravenous infusions totaling 750 milliliters. The bags contained mixtures of saline and vitamins, but their contents are irrelevant: any IVs over 50 mL are strictly banned. The Nevada State Athletic Commission, which sanctioned the fight, did not learn of the IV until three weeks after the fight—by which time Mayweather had already sought and received an exemption from his favored drug-testing agency.
It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive the****utic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather. .. USADA has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Mayweather needed an IV infusion. There might be a valid explanation, but I don’t know what it is.”

"I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules."

Mayweather’s testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the April 3, 2013, sample was 0.80. His testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for the Aug. 18, 2011, sample was 0.69. “That’s a warning flag,” says Don Catlin who founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in 1982 and is one of the founders of modern drug testing in sports. Other experts say the same "But an abnormally low T-E ratio is a red flag" says Conte

Now that he is a promoter, we have been seeing his fighters get away with lots of stuff too

This alone shows as shady as it gets, but theory fail according to Floyd lovers lol

Low TE ratios by Floyd is a fact not hear say.. This alone is enough to destroy this thread lololololololol

[maracho]

This alone shows as shady as it gets, but theory fail according to Floyd lovers lol

Low TE ratios by Floyd is a fact not hear say.. This alone is enough to destroy this thread lololololololol

Yeah pretty telling I thought and probably the richer they are the more tempted they are especially if they feel it's all about the money

[travestyny]

This alone shows as shady as it gets, but theory fail according to Floyd lovers lol

Low TE ratios by Floyd is a fact not hear say.. This alone is enough to destroy this thread lololololololol

Yeah pretty telling I thought and probably the richer they are the more tempted they are especially if they feel it's all about the money

More BS that was already debunked.


Here is Christiane Ayotte, head of the Montreal WADA lab, saying T/E ratio values of .29, .35, and .19 are not low.

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. "
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada...013131428.html

Furthermore, all samples are CIR tested.

Conte also said in that video that these guys aren't ****** enough to try to do PED's a day before the event....so why is anyone accusing Mayweather of trying to mask one day before the fight?

No answers.