Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[Shape up]

Can you please explain how a paramedic gained approval to authorise an infusion that was against WADA rules without it being an emergency

[ADP02]

Here is the Salazar post that you have not responded to.

Kindly send me the link for your quote about the partial sample in the A bottle. I been asking for awhile. Want to check it out. Can you do that before you respond to this? Should only take a second. Thanks.

LMAOOOOO. OWNAGE COMING UP YET AGAIN!!!!

Posted this before (which you clearly didn't read), and I'm going to post it again!!!!


I'm assuming that you didn't look into this at all. By "abusing the the****utic use exemptions system," apparently what was meant was trying to work around it so that a TUE would NOT have to be applied for. The guy gave infusions, via small injections under 50ml. He had several emails with someone at USADA who specializes in TUE's to understand the rules and in particular when a TUE would NOT have to be applied for. Oh, and there is a document detailing all of this, once again, BY USADA. Isn't it ironic that each time you deflect to another athlete, it's USADA who is on their ass?

Here is one of his emails to his athletes, in which he tells them they will NOT need a TUE. HE OBVIOUSLY WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE TUE PROCESS!



It's an over 200 page document by USADA. Feel free to look into it!

But I'm not done with you!!!

You gave information about Goucher claiming Salazar trained Rupp to receive TUE's for IV's. Well Goucher is one of the people who talked to USADA during their investigation. NOWHERE IN THAT INVESTIGATION DOES IT REVEAL THAT GOUCHER CLAIMED RUPP HAD A TUE FOR AN IV.

Here is proof that Goucher talked to USADA:



and here:

Oh, but I'm not done with you!

During the fancy bears hack into WADA, they revealed Galen Rupp's TUE's. Hmmmmmm.




UM...I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT AN IV THERE, YOU MORON!!!!!

BUT WAIT...I'M NOT DONE WITH YOU.

Salazar actually went on record and said that wasn't all of Rupp's TUE's. He said he had only 2 TUE's since 2010. Uh oh...maybe that's where the IV comes in, right?

WRONG. They were for his confirmed asthma problems, you idiot!




BY THE WAY, THIS LETTER BY SALAZAR IS REFERENCED IN USADA'S INVESTIGATION, BlTCH!!!



NO CORRECTION ABOUT THE TUES!!!!

SAY WHAT? NEVER FOR AN IV. LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE ****ING WRONG, YOU MORON. HOW ABOUT DOING SOME ****ING RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE YOU GO MOUTHING OFF, YOU HEAR? WHAT YOU GOT NOW, BlTCH???

TRY DEFLECTING THAT, BlTCH! YOU GOT OWNED YET AGAIN!!!!

YOU ARE, BlTCH!!!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Man, I was ready to post and my browser shut down on me ......

Here is as close to as I can get to what I had before:





What? USADA is there? because like Lance, there were witnesses that stepped up and testified against the cheaters!!!

travestyny
To work around it so that a TUE would NOT have to be applied for

I posted Goucher's statement about IV, as an example. Did that sound like it was to bypass the TUE altogether? So even with that, you got this WRONG!!! This is what you call ownage? LOL






THANK YOU!!!
I see that you were able to find that Galen alone had multiple TUEs in 1 year alone!!!
Yet you think that it was all on the up and up after knowing how Salazar and the doctor went about trying to abuse the system?





[I]Check out how sneaky Salazar is.[/I]
The reason that Salazar brings up dates such as 2010 and on going is because it's before that that Galen had many TUEs. So as you can see, Salazar doesn't bring up 2009. Without the leak, we wouldn't have known that in 2009 alone Galen had 3 TUEs for that year alone.


After those dates, Salazar provides other techniques to cheat and also some of those drugs that Galen used prior to that, he still was using.







Goucher: You saw that I had already posted a quote from her. So you saw that it was not just a statement but a witness who stated that Salazar would abuse the TUE system including getting TUEs that his athletes were not supposed to get. She said that those words came out of Salazar's mouth!!!



Of course, Salazar is going to say no it didn't happen ... but as you saw, I provided to you not just the quote about Salazar trying to game the TUE system, which he did but also Goucher stating that Salazar did!!!


BTW - One of the instances that Goucher brought up about IVs for hydration occurred in 2007.








To say that Salazar wouldn't lie is a joke. USADA thinks that Salazar LIED! You do not? LOL


Salazar was passing the drugs like as if they were candy. Salazar didn't care if the athlete had a valid prescription for a drug or not.









And you keep bringing up that Salazar was not exceeding the 50ml limit for IVs. WRONG!!!


According to USADA's investigations so far, it was reported that at least 6 athletes used IVs that exceeded 50ml.

So no, it wasn't that Salazar was just giving them drugs by way of IV legally. Salazar did it all. Including getting TUEs that they didn't require as per Goucher's statements.

Steve Magness
Therefore, in connection with the November 28, 2011 infusion, in the event it is established that the infusion exceeded 50 mL.


Dr. Brown’s alteration of medical records supports an inference that he was well aware that the infusion which he gave to Dathan Ritzenhein exceeded the WADA 50 mL limit.


In Galen Rupp’s case we now have the “Logged Formula Worksheet” which reflects the preparation of 4 x 100 mL L-carnitine infusion bags at a very high L-carnitine concentration. As discussed above, this document indicates that Rupp’s L-carnitine
infusion almost certainly exceeded 50 mL

Here is another quote based on an interview with Goucher. It mentions TUEs for meds

Intravenous fluids, the****utic use exemptions for medication, syringes in the refrigerator "for allergy shots" and testosterone cream packets lying out in the open -- all were rationalized, but appeared to her to bend or break rules.

I also had read this from a former employee who knew Salazar. He thinks its BS that quite a few of the athletes had the same medical condition and that they were taking meds that can enhance performance. especially if combined. AND how EASY it is to beat and get a TUE and pass the testing!!!

RW: If I understood you correctly before, one of your points was that even if the testing is occurring, it can be worked around if you know what you’re doing.

JC: Sure, there are certain meets you just don’t go to if you know the testing is going to happen.

Also, the chemists are getting so good that some of the efficacy [of performance-enhancing drugs taken in small doses] can leave [the blood******] in less than 90 minutes. So how do you deal with that? Test [athletes] in the warm-up area? That’s not going to happen.


RW: In 2013, [Nike Oregon Project member] Galen Rupp was one of if not the most tested person on the publicly available United States Anti-Doping Agency list. How should the average running fan think about that?

JC: I go to the gym pretty regularly, and it’s mostly guys like me, who work out, play tennis, etc. That’s exactly what their point is—[athletes have] been tested, so consequently everything is fine. As you know, Marion Jones never tested positive. [Editor’s note: Sprinter Jones won three gold medals at the 2000 Olympics but was later stripped of her medals and served time in federal prison after admitting steriod use.] No one is going to test positive. It’s just not going to happen.

RW: So from your knowledge, that could or could not have any relationship to whether anything technically illegal is going on?

JC: If you take the testing objectively, and you never fail a drug test, as far as the average person is concerned, if you’re negative, you’re negative, and that means you’re a good guy. But that’s not what’s happening


RW: So how can the average fan of the sport stay a fan if the lack of a failed test doesn’t necessarily mean that much?

JC: The average fan remains ignorant in terms of it wanting to be that way and wanting it be “Chariots of Fire.” Some of the people I talk to when I’m on the treadmill or lifting weights don’t even know the athletes make money. And they think if [athletes] test negative, they’re as clean as white snow.


That’s the great paradox of the whole charade.

RW: How about you personally then? You obviously still follow the sport and care about the sport.

JC: I follow the sport without particularly much fervor or excitement because I know too much. When I was naïve, I liked it a lot more. I’ve been turned off pretty much.



SD: Along those lines, when you were asked to work with the program, that reputation in some ways already existed. Did that concern you at the time? How did you deal with that?

JC: It concerned me a great deal.

For instance, getting a The****utic Use Exemption for an inhaler can be very easily done. If I take you and run your ass up and down the stairs five or six or seven times, then take you into the doctor, you’re going to be asthmatic and fail the test, and you’re going to be allowed to take an inhaler.

Don’t get me wrong—some of these drugs make life better for certain groups. But if you’re a healthy person, why the hell would you need an inhaler? I was somewhat concerned about that.

Getting back to your original question, no one is going to test positive. But there has to be some ethics, there has to be some honor, there has to be some accountability

RW: That’s the sort of thing Nick Willis is questioning. Setting aside potentially illegal scenarios, his sentiment is that it shouldn’t be necessary to do all this other stuff.

JC: There are a lot of great coaches who are knowledgeable who think they can outwork this by being tough, hardworking coaches. I honestly think they’re fooling themselves.

I don’t think everybody has a thyroid problem. I don’t think everybody is asthmatic. One person may be, and he may need prednisone and this and that. That may all be legit, but like I was telling you earlier, I can get you to fail that test in a heartbeat. And that’s just a small part of the equation.

The chemists will always win. It makes no difference what kind of program you design

Salazar had a willing doctor to help him get certain drugs. Please do not tell me that you are ignorant as JC stated above and to think that Salazar would cheat in every way but would not try to get TUEs that the athletes shouldn't have received?




and see what JC states. some drugs can be out of your system in 90 minutes ..... Floyd delayed for 6+ hours!!!!!



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[travestyny]

What? USADA is there? because like Lance, there were witnesses that stepped up and testified against the cheaters!!!

This really made me laugh. You're a joke. This fight really ruined your life. Now even when USADA goes after someone, there is no credit given. LMAO.

I posted Goucher's statement about IV, as an example. Did that sound like it was to bypass the TUE altogether? So even with that, you got this WRONG!!! This is what you call ownage? LOL

I don't even have to prove you wrong about this. YOU prove yourself wrong about this. See more below.

YOUR "PROOF" IS ONE PERSON WHO WAS PROVEN WRONG! MY PROOF IS DOCUMENTED FACT, BEING THAT THE TUE'S WERE RELEASED VIA A HACK, AND MORE!

THANK YOU!!!
I see that you were able to find that Galen alone had multiple TUEs in 1 year alone!!!
Yet you think that it was all on the up and up after knowing how Salazar and the doctor went about trying to abuse the system?

[I]Check out how sneaky Salazar is.[/I]
The reason that Salazar brings up dates such as 2010 and on going is because it's before that that Galen had many TUEs. So as you can see, Salazar doesn't bring up 2009. Without the leak, we wouldn't have known that in 2009 alone Galen had 3 TUEs for that year alone.

After those dates, Salazar provides other techniques to cheat and also some of those drugs that Galen used prior to that, he still was using.

The other TUE's were revealed. What the **** else do you need to see?

Rupp had three TUEs listed, all from 2009. The first was in July from the IAAF for methylprednisolone. Then in October, Rupp received TUEs from USADA for two drugs: salmeterol and salbutamol. Both were substances found in medication Rupp was taking at the time, the salmeterol in Advair, used to treat asthma, and the salbutamol in Combivent, another bronchodilator used to increase air flow to the lungs. Methlyprednisolone helps prevent inflammation and can be used to treat allergies. Rupp’s asthma and allergies are no secret; in a 2012 story in the dailyRx News, Rupp stated that he used two of the drugs that he received TUEs for, Advair and Combivent.

Quick Thought #1: Neither Rupp nor Flanagan’s TUEs were surprising or controversial
Rupp’s TUEs confirmed what we already knew — that he has taken medication to combat asthma and allergies in the past. In the 2012 story in dailyRx News, Rupp said that he was taking Advair daily and Combivent before running (which likely means daily since Rupp runs every day). Currently, Rupp likely does not need a TUE to take either medication. The substances contained within — salmeterol and salbutamol — are not banned assuming normal dosage (see page 4 of WADA’s Prohibited List here).

So the TUE's that Salazar wanted to hide are out in the open due to the hack, and no one thinks anything of it. AND THEY WERE SOMETHING FIERCE...APPARENTLY SO FIERCE THAT A TUE WOULDN'T BE NEEDED FOR IT TODAY! Can you explain that?

Goucher: You saw that I had already posted a quote from her. So you saw that it was not just a statement but a witness who stated that Salazar would abuse the TUE system including getting TUEs that his athletes were not supposed to get. She said that those words came out of Salazar's mouth!!!

Of course, Salazar is going to say no it didn't happen ... but as you saw, I provided to you not just the quote about Salazar trying to game the TUE system, which he did but also Goucher stating that Salazar did!!!


BTW - One of the instances that Goucher brought up about IVs for hydration occurred in 2007.

She for sure accused him of trying to get a TUE for an IV in 2011. Well, here she is being proven wrong:

In the BBC and ProPublica stories, Kara claims that I was “fuming” when I called a USATF official to complain that a U.S. doctor had declined to give Galen Rupp an IV. Kara then claims that I told her how we would manipulate the system to get Galen an IV stating how he would answer certain questions. Those allegations are false. As the US team doctor has confirmed, at no time did I request the US team doctor to give Galen an IV or saline drip while he was in Daegu in 2011. See Exhibit 23.

SO HE CALLED AND WAS FUMING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET AN IV, YET THE DUDE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY YELLING AT ONLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL IN WHICH HE SAID HE WOULD CONTACT THE TEAM DOCTOR AFTER HE DROPS OFF KARA. SO HOW DID KARA HEAR THAT CONVO? ALSO, THE DOCTOR REVEALS NO RECOLLECTION OF A REQUEST FOR AN IV. WELL WELL WELL. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR STAR WITNESS NOW?

Here is what she said:

At the 2011 world championships in Daegu, South Korea, Kara Goucher was in a taxi with a U.S.A. Track and Field official when she says Salazar called the official, fuming that a U.S. doctor had declined to give Rupp an IV. She says Salazar insisted he would go to a British doctor instead.

Really???? Let's see what really happened:

A FUMING PHONECALL???? PROOF IT WAS AN EMAIL UNRELATED TO ANY IV.

DO YOU SEE THAT? SHE WAS IN THE CAR WITH HIM AND HE SAID AFTER HE DROPS HER OFF, HE WILL CONTACT THE US DOCTOR ABOUT THE REQUEST. IT WAS A ****ING EMAIL. SO HE DROPS HER OFF. HOW DID SHE HEAR IT. BUT OH, HE ASKED FOR AN IV. NOPE!

PROOF FROM THE USATF DOCTOR THAT AN IV WAS NEVER REQUESTED!!!

ONE OF US IS COMING WITH FACTS. THE OTHER IS GOING BY HEARSAY THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

To say that Salazar wouldn't lie is a joke. USADA thinks that Salazar LIED! You do not? LOL


Salazar was passing the drugs like as if they were candy. Salazar didn't care if the athlete had a valid prescription for a drug or not.

DEFLECTION. I DON'T KNOW NOR DO I CARE IF HE WAS PASSING OUT DRUGS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE****UTIC USE EXEMPTIONS. I THINK YOU SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT.

And you keep bringing up that Salazar was not exceeding the 50ml limit for IVs. WRONG!!!

According to USADA's investigations so far, it was reported that at least 6 athletes used IVs that exceeded 50ml.

So no, it wasn't that Salazar was just giving them drugs by way of IV legally. Salazar did it all. Including getting TUEs that they didn't require as per Goucher's statements.

ARE YOU ******ED OR JUST NOT ABLE TO COMPREHEND ANYTHING. THAT IS THE WHOLE ****ING POINT. I TOLD YOU THAT HE WAS GIVING SMALL INJECTIONS AND TRYING TO CLAIM THAT THEY WERE NOT CONSIDERED AN INFUSION OVER 50ML, BUT USADA BELIEVES THAT IS BULLSHlT AND IT DOES CONSTITUTE AN INFUSION OF OVER 50ML.

Not only that, YOU ARE PROVING MY POINT YOU IDIOT. WHY IS USADA FINDING PROOF OF IT BEING OVER 50ML? WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT SINCE A TUE IS NECESSARY, ONE THAT YOU CLAIMED HE HAD GOT UNDER FALSE PRETENSES.

WOULDN'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MEAN THAT.....GULP....HE DID NOT APPLY FOR TUE'S FOR THIS ACTIVITY?????!!!!!

WHY THE **** WOULD HE HAVE APPLIED FOR TUE'S IF, AS EVEN YOU NOW IMPLICITELY ADMIT, HE WAS GIVING INFUSIONS WITHOUT GETTING TUES'S, AND USADA IS INVESTIGATING HIM FOR NOT APPLYING FOR TUE'S??????



YOU ****ING DOPE!

Here is another quote based on an interview with Goucher. It mentions TUEs for meds

OH WORD? CHECK THIS OUT:

Here's some more for you:

His thyroid condition has been diagnosed and treated by two different endocrinologist specialists.

Kara Goucher, one of the primary accusers in the BBC/ProPublica stories, suffers from the same thyroid disease, and, in fact, it was Kara that introduced Galen to the first endocrinologist who treated him.**

SO KARA GAUCHER INTRODUCED RUPP TO AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST YET ADPO2 IS PRETENDING THAT HE HAD NO LEGIT MEDICAL ISSUES OR WHAT? APPARENTLY ONE OF HER DOCTORS WAS ALSO CHEATING TO GET A TUE FOR ATHLETES, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING????

Galen takes his thyroid medication so that his body can function normally – not for any competitive advantage.

For more than 14 years, Dr. Mark T. O’Hollaren and Dr. Barzin Khalili have been treating Galen for his severe allergies and asthma. In 2001, Galen’s pediatrician referred him to Dr. O’Hollaren, one of the leading asthma and allergy medical specialists in the country. Dr. O’Hollaren and Dr. Khalili operate the Allergy Clinic in Portland, which has some of the highest allergen levels in the country. Galen takes a number of prescription medicines to treat his asthma and has received immunotherapy to treat his allergies since 2004.

ALL OF THESE SPECIALISTS ARE IN ON IT TOO, RIGHT? ADD THAT TO KARA GOUCHER'S ENDOCRINOLOGIST. RIGHT????*

Galen has fully disclosed his asthma and allergy treatment to USADA. In 2013, Galen provided USADA with over 500 pages of medical records and documents regarding his asthma treatment and the medications he had taken. These records, which date back to May 2001, include Galen’s medication records and show each time he has been prescribed prednisone to treat his asthma flare ups. USADA reviewed these documents and concurred that Galen’s treatment and use of prescribed medicines were consistent the WADA Code and the manufacturer’s recommended the****utic regimen.

I also had read this from a former employee who knew Salazar. He thinks its BS that quite a few of the athletes had the same medical condition and that they were taking meds that can enhance performance. especially if combined. AND how EASY it is to beat and get a TUE and pass the testing!!!

Salazar had a willing doctor to help him get certain drugs. Please do not tell me that you are ignorant as JC stated above and to think that Salazar would cheat in every way but would not try to get TUEs that the athletes shouldn't have received?

and see what JC states. some drugs can be out of your system in 90 minutes ..... Floyd delayed for 6+ hours!!!!!



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WHAT THE **** DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACTS???


1. His TUE's were revealed by a Russian Hack and by Salazar himself, and there was never a TUE for an IV!

2. KARA GOUCHER'S CLAIM WAS DENIED BY THE US TRACK AND FIELD MEDICAL DOCTOR!!!!

3. Galen Rupp's asthma, allergy, and other medical issues are well documented by a plethora of specialists, by Rupp himself, by over 500 pages of documents going back to 2001, approved of by USADA who was on his ass, and also approved of by Kara Goucher's endocrinologist.

4. Salazar went on record saying there was never a TUE for an IV, and USADA has since commented on this statement without claiming it is untrue!

5. EVEN YOU HAVE POINTED OUT WHERE SALAZAR WAS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR GOING OVER 50ML, WHICH MEANS HE DID NOT HAVE A TUE. HOW COULD HE HAVE MANIPULATED IT IF HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE?

6. I ALREADY GAVE YOU MESSAGES FROM HIM TELLING ATHLETES TO NOT DISCLOSE ANY INFUSION AND SAYING A TUE "WHEN GIVEN HOW WE DO IT" IS UNNECESSARY. I NOTICED YOU DUCKED THAT!

ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!

AND GIVE ME THE DAMN LINK THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. I'VE BEEN WAITING BUT YOU KEEP DUCKING MY REQUEST!!!

LET’S TRY THIS AGAIN. WERE YOU WRONG THAT SALAZAR GOT RUPP FAKE TUE’s? YES OR NO? I have proof you were wrong. YOU HAVE DEFLECTIONS! THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT. WHEN YOU ARE PROVEN WRONG YOU CANT ADMIT IT. WE CAN GET ANY SANE PERSON TO LOOK AT THIS INFO AND THEY KNOW YOU ARE WRONG!

JUST LIKE YOU SAYING GIVING 90ml EXACTLY WOULD FORCE THE DCO TO STOP THE COLLECTION SESSION. HOW THE **** DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU THAT DOING THE MINIMUM THAT IS REQUIRED WOULD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLETE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, MORON????

AND IM STILL WAITING FOR THAT LINK. WHY HAVENT I GOTTEN IT YET? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK FOR IT?

[Shape up]

Het, I just pulled this out of your quote above gimp-------Exactly as I thought. This bltch can’t admit that he was wrong even with proof right in front of his face. ----------- this is exactly what I think about you, no answers again gimp, your cooked

[koolkc107]

IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.-------------could you answer this please, with something concrete, not a rule saying they CAN give a retro TUE for dehydration, fluid would still need to meet the criteria, that is, severe dehydration, not at his house, they CAN only if he meets the criteria, so please explain

This has been answered before numerous times in this thread.

FAIL

[koolkc107]

Can you please explain how usada omitted code from the fight contract, how they omitted protocol from the fight contract, both of which break rules, I've been asking for many weeks now but you still divert and stall to give you more time, thanks in advance

This has been answered before numerous times in this thread.

FAIL

[koolkc107]

Can you please explain how a paramedic gained approval to authorise an infusion that was against WADA rules without it being an emergency

This has been answered before numerous times in this thread.

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[koolkc107]

Guess which question has not yet been answered out of ALL the questions asked in this thread?

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN MAY 2015 WHEN KEVIN IOLE REPORTED THE IVs AND THE RETROACTIVE TUE?

Ship Out. C-3PO. CisternChimp. Loose Syphon. Any Butthurt. Answer the question.

[McNulty]

Corner this:


Floyd walked in weighin 146.

Floyd drank adequately after the weigh-in.

Floyd has weighed in at around 149 in several of his fights.

Floyd was relatively close to 146 for 30 days

Vitals - ALL NORMAL

Pre-fight form - No issues reported by Floyd

medical exam by NSAC - no reports or signs of severe dehydration noted.

Video right after getting an IV, Floyd is talking about other fighters are drained but he does not.


Sorry but its you guys that are hiding your heads in the sand.












Here is Dr Alex Ariza making sure that Floyd is nice and hydrated.




Look at the smile on Floyd's face! LOL

I don't even know what you're talking about or implying man. Speak clearly please.

[koolkc107]

I don't even know what you're talking about or implying man. Speak clearly please.

Forgive me and accept my apology if I am butting in.

Truth is, THEY don't even know what they are talking about or implying.

See, they can't rebut that a licensed medical professional (the paramedic) thought an IV was warranted.

And, they can't refute the findings of a board of doctors who concurrred with what took place and issued the retroactive TUE after reviewing everything.

So what do they do?

They try to paint a picture that has nothing at all to do with what happened that day. They rely HEAVILY on the reports of Thomas Hauser, a shill for HBO with a known and longtime axe to grind with Floyd.

But they offer no facts, just speculation based on someone else's speculation.

They can't think for themselves when it comes to this.