Comments Thread For: Kelly Pavlik: Today's Middleweights Aren't as Big as in My Era

[Boxing Logic]

Actually, I think GGG started out a pretty big middleweight, but Victor Conte has says that after training so much in high altitude the last 5 years, GGG has probably shrunk a little bit, and I've noticed that, and been wondering about that, too. He started out like a fair sized middleweight, but lately he looks like a 154 fighting at 160. When Kell Brook moved up from welterweight and looked just as big as GGG, that was a major red flag to me. I don't think that ever would have happened before GGG started all the altitude training over the years. The GGG that faced Monroe, Stevens, and so on looked big. He looked bigger than Stevens, who had come down from 168. He looked comparable to Kasim Ouma, a huge middleweight. He held his own size wise in the amateurs with Lucian Bute and Andre Dirrell, two super middleweights.

But, no boxer lives and trains more, or harder, in altitude than GGG, and Conte says that can shrink your muscles and make you smaller, maybe even shrink your bones as well because there is less gravity in the air at altitude, I forget. GGG's reach also looks a little shorter to me than it used to be, so that is also a possibility.

So I agree, GGG looks tiny at 160 now, but five years ago I think he was an average sized middleweight anyway.

[Boxing Logic]

Or even 5'7 Canelo a career Welter/JMW, "No he's bigger than ggg"


The Super 6 really did a number on the division, followed by the sudden departures of Hopkins, Pavlik, Martinez, Pirog.

People forget how big and devastating guys like Miranda and Abraham were at 160.

Canelo has fought at middleweight (155+) for most of his prime years (since he was about 24 anyway I believe).

Pirog weighed 170 in the ring when he fought Jacobs. No one that weight is giving GGG trouble. Jacobs and Canelo showed the blueprint to take his punches is to weigh 180+. Guys who weigh 170 in there get bounced around like ragdolls by his punches, and we've seen that.

Martinez, also, came up from 154.

But, I agree there were a few huge middleweights in Pavlik's era. That's probably because there was less drug testing and many more things like IVs and diuretics were used more frequently to make weight.

[TonyGe]

Canelo has fought at middleweight (155+) for most of his prime years (since he was about 24 anyway I believe).

Pirog weighed 170 in the ring when he fought Jacobs. No one that weight is giving GGG trouble. Jacobs and Canelo showed the blueprint to take his punches is to weigh 180+. Guys who weigh 170 in there get bounced around like ragdolls by his punches, and we've seen that.

Martinez, also, came up from 154.

But, I agree there were a few huge middleweights in Pavlik's era. That's probably because there was less drug testing and many more things like IVs and diuretics were used more frequently to make weight.

It would be interesting to know the average sizes of Middleweights before the drug era started.

[aboutfkntime]

So what do u make of ward calling out (chatting shht) bellew and joshua then retiring at 33?

Ward only used gggs name to raise his profile and it worked because u morons talked about ggg vs ward more than his actual fights

your first sentence contains some truth

but you are comparing a silly off-handed comment, with a concerted FIVE YEAR marketing campaign

BIG difference there

your second sentence was utter fkn rubbish, and you know it

which makes your first point look like a weak excuse now

[TonyGe]

Actually, I think GGG started out a pretty big middleweight, but Victor Conte has says that after training so much in high altitude the last 5 years, GGG has probably shrunk a little bit, and I've noticed that, and been wondering about that, too. He started out like a fair sized middleweight, but lately he looks like a 154 fighting at 160. When Kell Brook moved up from welterweight and looked just as big as GGG, that was a major red flag to me. I don't think that ever would have happened before GGG started all the altitude training over the years. The GGG that faced Monroe, Stevens, and so on looked big. He looked bigger than Stevens, who had come down from 168. He looked comparable to Kasim Ouma, a huge middleweight. He held his own size wise in the amateurs with Lucian Bute and Andre Dirrell, two super middleweights.

But, no boxer lives and trains more, or harder, in altitude than GGG, and Conte says that can shrink your muscles and make you smaller, maybe even shrink your bones as well because there is less gravity in the air at altitude, I forget. GGG's reach also looks a little shorter to me than it used to be, so that is also a possibility.

So I agree, GGG looks tiny at 160 now, but five years ago I think he was an average sized middleweight anyway.

I think you are on to something here. I found a link that explains the pros and cons of high altitude training. . It looks to me that there are more cons. I'm wondering if that explains Golovkin's reputed gaunt appearance in the days leading up to his last several fights. He's not the only fighter that trains at height. Interesting..
http://www.livestrong.com/article/36...titude-hiking/

[aboutfkntime]

Actually, I think GGG started out a pretty big middleweight, but Victor Conte has says that after training so much in high altitude the last 5 years, GGG has probably shrunk a little bit, and I've noticed that, and been wondering about that, too. He started out like a fair sized middleweight, but lately he looks like a 154 fighting at 160. When Kell Brook moved up from welterweight and looked just as big as GGG, that was a major red flag to me. I don't think that ever would have happened before GGG started all the altitude training over the years. The GGG that faced Monroe, Stevens, and so on looked big. He looked bigger than Stevens, who had come down from 168. He looked comparable to Kasim Ouma, a huge middleweight. He held his own size wise in the amateurs with Lucian Bute and Andre Dirrell, two super middleweights.

But, no boxer lives and trains more, or harder, in altitude than GGG, and Conte says that can shrink your muscles and make you smaller, maybe even shrink your bones as well because there is less gravity in the air at altitude, I forget. GGG's reach also looks a little shorter to me than it used to be, so that is also a possibility.

So I agree, GGG looks tiny at 160 now, but five years ago I think he was an average sized middleweight anyway.

[peakbay]

your first sentence contains some truth

but you are comparing a silly off-handed comment, with a concerted FIVE YEAR marketing campaign

BIG difference there

your second sentence was utter fkn rubbish, and you know it

which makes your first point look like a weak excuse now

some truth err no its what he did ie. the truth.
how is it utter rubbish ward was sitting on the side lines and lost all momentum he had so used the most popular name around his weight to gain attention. (u already know this) ggg had cotto vs canelo winner lined up thats when ward pops up with a bs contract to fight in 2 fights time lol as if any right minded person is going to blow off their biggest possible fight/payday (biggest in boxing) its was all smoke and mirrors and u got lost in it all

[Visceral]

They might be smaller but most of them have more heart and drive than Pavlik.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

This better for you? Quillin is the tallest guy in this picture and he's listed at 5'11, he's 6'0 at the most. But g tards want us to believe DJ is 6'1.




DLH and Jacobs are practically the same height, DJ is NOT 6'1. You g tards will believe anything.

Now here is a pic of Quillin next to 6'2 Lee.

Jacobs is 6'0"ish. Take a hike, you dip****.

[aboutfkntime]

some truth err no its what he did ie. the truth.
how is it utter rubbish ward was sitting on the side lines and lost all momentum he had so used the most popular name around his weight to gain attention. (u already know this) ggg had cotto vs canelo winner lined up thats when ward pops up with a bs contract to fight in 2 fights time lol as if any right minded person is going to blow off their biggest possible fight/payday (biggest in boxing) its was all smoke and mirrors and u got lost in it all

he moved to LHW and beat a better fighter TWICE

keep telling yourself that Ward was scared of lil'G

Ward demanded those type of fights, Golovkin did not

very few people give Golovkin much of a chance with Ward

including his team

#36minutes