Comments Thread For: Kelly Pavlik: Today's Middleweights Aren't as Big as in My Era

[LetOutTheCage]

This is the way the division should look. Fighters being closer to their fighting weight in between fights, not walking around at cruiserweight and draining down, then rehydrating 20+ pounds on fight night.

This so much

[peakbay]

he moved to LHW and beat a better fighter TWICE

keep telling yourself that Ward was scared of lil'G

Ward demanded those type of fights, Golovkin did not

very few people give Golovkin much of a chance with Ward

including his team

#36minutes

Can u read ?? Who said he was scared? You just make sh it up to suit your argument Your a hypocrite and a moron

U already know this but HBO asked both if they were ready to fight ggg said yes ward said no fact. waiting until someone has a better offer on the table before you send a contract out is a sh it bags trick to gain publicity

Would u have blown off the chance to fight cotto or canelo to fight ward for less money. A simple yes or no will do none of this diversion crap

Ward didnt demand shht hbo did.

why didnt ward demand degale and Stevenson for calling him out. if chatting shht is such a big deal to him why didn't he send them contracts ?

[aboutfkntime]

Can u read ?? Who said he was scared? You just make sh it up to suit your argument Your a hypocrite and a moron

U already know this but HBO asked both if they were ready to fight ggg said yes ward said no fact. waiting until someone has a better offer on the table before you send a contract out is a sh it bags trick to gain publicity

Would u have blown off the chance to fight cotto or canelo to fight ward for less money. A simple yes or no will do none of this diversion crap

Ward didnt demand shht hbo did.

why didnt ward demand degale and Stevenson for calling him out. if chatting shht is such a big deal to him why didn't he send them contracts ?

p1ss off

Ward approached Team Bullshht in June 2015 IMMEDIATELY following the Smith fight, and guess what he was told.....?

Ward to Golovkin: Stop hiding and fight me. Let’s make it happen!
"Golovkin told Boxing Scene that Ward is lying out of his teeth, claiming a prior meeting with HBO where both men were reportedly asked if they were ready to fight each other.

“You remember our answers? I said ‘yes’ and you said ‘no.’ Something about your shoulder or promoter. I am not interested in your reasons, I only heard your ‘no.’ But you remember HBO made it clear back then that this fight needs a lot of time to build up. Then why are you talking sh** about excuses?”

There was a legitimate reason Ward-Golovkin wasn’t made at the time of the initial meeting with HBO, and Golovkin knows it. He’s not dumb.

However, when both men are out of the ring with nothing scheduled, there is no excuse why this fight shouldn’t happen."
http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-to-go...-happen/48064/

1) who cares what happened "in a prior meeting?"..... Ward wanted 1 tuneup following 18 months of inactivity, which is more than reasonable

2) Golovkin knew that delay was legitimate

3) there was nothing to prevent that fight happening, EXCEPT Golovkin


Golovkin is a lying ducking b1tch, and so are you


"Golovkin and his team are preventing this fight from happening. Golovkin offered to fight the now retired Carl Froch at the super-middleweight limit of 168 lbs., as well as former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but wants a catch-weight for Andre Ward?

Ward wants to fight Golovkin, and he wants to fight next, but it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr., but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying, ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward,” the source revealed to Boxing Scene."
http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-rejec.../48092/?var=no


and the second time Ward approached Team Bullshht in September 2015, his offer was refused in 36 minutes flat


save your breath clown..... when boxing historians evaluate Golovkin's career they will look for names..... and one of those names will NOT be Andre Ward

and they will not call you up for a bunch of childish excuses

Ward has his names already

[The D3vil]

fcuk off, they do not

but I did expect Mr "anyone from 154-168" to be willing to drop a pound or two for little old faded 153lb Cotto

not quite the same is it

there are about 48 pounds between the wild story that you are telling us, and the even wilder story that Golovkin told us

look all I am saying is, Golovkin is not a kid..... nor is he some invalid, who needs to be protected

he is a grown man, and should therefore be held accountable for his words and actions

I see him as an under-achiever because of his words

and I think that you are being more than a little dishonest, and more than a little stan'ish..... for pretending all of that 154-168 stuff was an off-handed comment that was only made once..... rather than an obvious PR/marketing campaign than ran for FIVE YEARS

you gave him a 100% free pass for talking all that mad shht, and prefer to focus on his "obligations".....

well, I am not "obligated" to forget all of those hollow promises, and nothing that I said is incorrect or unfactual..... so writing me off as a hater is dodging the issue..... which is your failure to hold Golovkin accountable for his words/actions

you are giving him a free pass for a reason

I don't listen to what 90% of athletes say about anything when it comes to selling a brand.

I see you didn't respond to me mention Floyd talking about how he'd easily beat GGG.

Guess what?

I knew it was bull****.

Floyd at 40 years old wasn't going to fight GGG and he certainly wouldn't have "easily" beat him, but I just chalked it up Floyd being Floyd.

It's much more stannish of you to take everything athletes say seriously, than it is for me to just ask athletes to do their job in the ring and discard their dumb statements.

GGG did his job in the ring. I expected nothing else from him or Floyd or anybody else.

[peakbay]

p1ss off

Ward approached Team Bullshht in June 2015 IMMEDIATELY following the Smith fight, and guess what he was told.....?

Ward to Golovkin: Stop hiding and fight me. Let’s make it happen!
"Golovkin told Boxing Scene that Ward is lying out of his teeth, claiming a prior meeting with HBO where both men were reportedly asked if they were ready to fight each other.

“You remember our answers? I said ‘yes’ and you said ‘no.’ Something about your shoulder or promoter. I am not interested in your reasons, I only heard your ‘no.’ But you remember HBO made it clear back then that this fight needs a lot of time to build up. Then why are you talking sh** about excuses?”

There was a legitimate reason Ward-Golovkin wasn’t made at the time of the initial meeting with HBO, and Golovkin knows it. He’s not dumb.

However, when both men are out of the ring with nothing scheduled, there is no excuse why this fight shouldn’t happen."
http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-to-go...-happen/48064/

1) who cares what happened "in a prior meeting?"..... Ward wanted 1 tuneup following 18 months of inactivity, which is more than reasonable

2) Golovkin knew that delay was legitimate

3) there was nothing to prevent that fight happening, EXCEPT Golovkin


Golovkin is a lying ducking b1tch, and so are you


"Golovkin and his team are preventing this fight from happening. Golovkin offered to fight the now retired Carl Froch at the super-middleweight limit of 168 lbs., as well as former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but wants a catch-weight for Andre Ward?

Ward wants to fight Golovkin, and he wants to fight next, but it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr., but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying, ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward,” the source revealed to Boxing Scene."
http://thaboxingvoice.com/ward-rejec.../48092/?var=no


and the second time Ward approached Team Bullshht in September 2015, his offer was refused in 36 minutes flat


save your breath clown..... when boxing historians evaluate Golovkin's career they will look for names..... and one of those names will NOT be Andre Ward

and they will not call you up for a bunch of childish excuses

Ward has his names already

All bs you know fine well ggg was waiting for the cotto vs canelo winner even got money to step aside (answer my question would you blow that fight off to fight ward for less? simple question yes or no is that too hard for you?) article doesn't even name the source. it could be wards management for all we know and by the sound of it, it was.

Ward won't be on his resume but canelo is along with his biggest payday and a rematch on the way while ward finished his career teeing off on a man's nuts I'm guessing that's some thing your into

[aboutfkntime]

I don't listen to what 90% of athletes say about anything when it comes to selling a brand.

I see you didn't respond to me mention Floyd talking about how he'd easily beat GGG.

Guess what?

I knew it was bull****.

Floyd at 40 years old wasn't going to fight GGG and he certainly wouldn't have "easily" beat him, but I just chalked it up Floyd being Floyd.

It's much more stannish of you to take everything athletes say seriously, than it is for me to just ask athletes to do their job in the ring and discard their dumb statements.

GGG did his job in the ring. I expected nothing else from him or Floyd or anybody else.

I did not respond to that because it was irrelevant

that is a totally different situation

listen, forget about a fighter making an off-handed comment when prompted by a reporter

EVERY fighter will insist that they would win

I know you can see that is totally different

EVERY..... SINGLE..... MEMBER..... of Team Golovkin, ran that "anyone from 154-168" spiel for FIVE YEARS..... it was a tactical, concerted, marketing/PR ploy..... not an off-handed comment to a question by a reporter

look.....

2012
Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168.....
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec...ovkin-20121201

2013
Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....
http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-a...4/15398?var=no

2014
nobody at 154 or 160 could go twelve rounds.....
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/26...guel-cotto.htm

2015
GGG says ''154 - 168 is easy''.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgoinrsIWww

2016
Nobody From 154-168 Goes Twelve With GGG.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...th-ggg--105365



here is Golovkin stating that he is willing to fight anyone at 154.....

problem is, he had just refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto/Canelo LMAO




come on, that 154-168 line is a worn-out scam

[aboutfkntime]

All bs you know fine well ggg was waiting for the cotto vs canelo winner even got money to step aside (answer my question would you blow that fight off to fight ward for less? simple question yes or no is that too hard for you?) article doesn't even name the source. it could be wards management for all we know and by the sound of it, it was.

Ward won't be on his resume but canelo is along with his biggest payday and a rematch on the way while ward finished his career teeing off on a man's nuts I'm guessing that's some thing your into

keep pretending that Golovkin did not avoid Ward

that's right..... none of that stuff really happened

it was allllllllll just a baaaaad dream

[aboutfkntime]

that " anyone from 154-168 " line..... was utter bullshht

it looked like bullshht.....
it sounded like bullshht.....
and guess what.....

NONE of that stuff happened..... Golovkin actually killed 3 HUGE fights over weight..... so, it WAS bullshht

oh..... b,b,b,b,but.....

no no no

you could only say b,b,b,b,but..... IF Golovkin had actually attempted to live up to that tag

the jig is up, there is no b,b,b,b,but....

[peakbay]

that " anyone from 154-168 " line..... was utter bullshht

it looked like bullshht.....
it sounded like bullshht.....
and guess what.....

NONE of that stuff happened..... Golovkin actually killed 3 HUGE fights over weight..... so, it WAS bullshht

oh..... b,b,b,b,but.....

no no no

you could only say b,b,b,b,but..... IF Golovkin had actually attempted to live up to that tag

the jig is up, there is no b,b,b,b,but....

Hahahaaa are you having a mental break down lol
You reta rded hypocrite you cant
Answer a simple question (you have no reasoning it's either low IQ or your just a phycho) would you turn down cotto or canelo to fight ward for less? it's really not hard.look I'll go first. no I wouldn't. See that was easy.
wasn't it during the super six that Ward was planning on going to heavyweight and he was still calling AJ and bellew out before he retired at 33. why are u giving him a pass for that

[aboutfkntime]

Hahahaaa are you having a mental break down lol
You reta rded hypocrite you cant
Answer a simple question (you have no reasoning it's either low IQ or your just a phycho) would you turn down cotto or canelo to fight ward for less? it's really not hard.look I'll go first. no I wouldn't. See that was easy.
wasn't it during the super six that Ward was planning on going to heavyweight and he was still calling AJ and bellew out before he retired at 33. why are u giving him a pass for that

****head..... he turned down cotto and canelo AND Ward

to fight Dominic Wade and Kell Brook

he did not make ANY of those fights

here is Bull****kin frustratedly asking who will fight him at 154..... immediately after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto/Canelo LMAO





so yea, that excited little tirade was a complete waste of time, huh?