Usyk vs Ward.

[Banderivets]

I don't get all this praise Usyk is getting all of a sudden after stopping Huck who looked shot in his last fight against Breidis. To me, he looked vulnerable early in the Hunter fight. In fact, I think people saying Usyk blasts Breidis out of the water have another thing coming. Breidis has shades of the Ward punch and hug style and I can see that causing some problems for Usyk in the early rounds.

Fastest man to take a CW title? Olympic Gold medalist? I really find it odd how some people complain about these guys getting praise, Loma being one of them as well...I guess all that counts is that you have a record of 20-0 fighting bums, now that deserves praise.

How did he look vulnerable against Hunter? He beat his ass pillar to post, took a few rounds to start as he always does.

What kind of standards are these guys being help up to? New ones for sure......If they don't blast out a guy in 5 or pummel them non step they seem vulnerable now...Nothing to do maybe with the fact that their opponents are actually decent fighters rather than some TOP20 cans.

Breidis is gonna get wrecked, Usyk will never let him hug it out and wrestle, much bigger men couldn't get Usyk to clinch, what makes you think Breidis will?

And CW is not stacked? No the divisions has this much talent and danger, good 5-6 guys who can genuinely **** with skill.

And why hang on Breidis? There are other champions, he's a big ****er that possibly was exposed as limited in his last fight, we need to see more, maybe he had an off night? Maybe that's all he has to offer.

As for Ward vs Usyk I would bet that Usyk would beat him. Ward's strength wouldn't carry to CW where I think he would have problems with most of the top 10 guys. He's been hurt before and would very much get hurt at CW. Someone like Usyk wouldn't let Ward hug it out for 12 rounds and is skilled enough to pepper him all night. CW is too big for Andre, he could win but only against the right opponents, very much like Jones at HW.

[DrHouse579]

The difference here is he actually called bellew out and even Joshua and was telling everyone he could find about it then all of a sudden retired?? If that's not a coward I don't know what is.

Once Bellew decided to go with Haye rematch (which was a no-brainer financially and competitively), Ward had no other big fights on the table besides Stevenson. But, I feel like Stevenson's team are assh0les to deal with just like Ward's and he didn't want to deal with that.

[A.K]

go read the article about Bellew talks about how the fight fell through because Ward wanted too much money. It says the fight was very close to being made, but it didn't make sense for Bellew to take less money to fight Ward in the States than fighting a one-legged and most likely shot David Haye for more money at home...

Are you ******ed or ratarded?? Of coarse it was a low ball offer that no one ranked would agree on, canelo and Oscar made ggg the same bs offers to save face since 2014. Ward stans are so gullible it's amazing you guys exist.

[DrHouse579]

Fastest man to take a CW title? Olympic Gold medalist? I really find it how how some people complain about these guys getting praise, Loma being one of them as well...I guess all that counts is that you have a record of 20-0 fighting bums, now that deserves praise.

How did he look vulnerable against Hunter? He beat his ass pillar to post, took a few rounds to start as he always does.

What kind of standards are these guys being help up to? New ones for sure......If they don't blast out a guy in 5 or pummel them non step they seem vulnerable now...Nothing to do maybe with the fact that their opponents are actually decent fighters rather than some TOP20 cans.

Breidis is gonna get wrecked, Usyk will never let him hug it out and wrestle, much bigger men couldn't get Usyk to clinch, what makes you think Breidis will?

I respect Loma and Usyk were Gold medalists. I really do.. but you can't say Usyk's resume AS A PRO deems a top 10 p4p spot. That's literally all I'm arguing. I love Loma and Usyk. But, Usyk isn't on Loma's level using the eye-test or resume. Can someone just be a fan of both without over-hyping Usyk? People literally act like they are a package deal or some ****..

[DrHouse579]

Are you ******ed or ratarded?? Of coarse it was a low ball offer that no one ranked would agree on, canelo and Oscar made ggg the same bs offers to save face since 2014. Ward stans are so gullible it's amazing you guys exist.

Why am I ******ed for thinking Ward wanted around what he made for Kovalev II and Bellew thought he could make more fighting Haye? Explain how that's not a rational conclusion.

[A.K]

Why am I ******ed for thinking Ward wanted around what he made for Kovalev II and Bellew thought he could make more fighting Haye? Explain how that's not a rational conclusion.

Ward sold less ppvs than any boxer in the history of ppvs and roc nation sports dropped out of boxing cause of it and here you are justifying he should get payed anywhere near 6 mil??

[DrHouse579]

And CW is not stacked? No the divisions has this much talent and danger, good 5-6 guys who can genuinely **** with skill.

And why hang on Breidis? There are other champions, he's a big ****er that possibly was exposed as limited in his last fight, we need to see more, maybe he had an off night? Maybe that's all he has to offer.

As for Ward vs Usyk I would bet that Usyk would beat him. Ward's strength wouldn't carry to CW where I think he would have problems with most of the top 10 guys. He's been hurt before and would very much get hurt at CW. Someone like Usyk wouldn't let Ward hug it out for 12 rounds and is skilled enough to pepper him all night. CW is too big for Andre, he could win but only against the right opponents, very much like Jones at HW.

I like how you mentioned having a 20-0 record fighting cans when that's literally everyone in the WBSS at Cruiser besides Usyk.. Beating on guys who have 20-0 records fighting cans isn't all that impressive, either.

I can see how Ward may just be completely outmatched physically by Usyk. That's why I said he would need a few tune-ups at the weight against guys he could outskill like Bellew just to see where he is physically. If he can't deal with Bellew, wouldn't even want to see what Usyk would do with him

[DrHouse579]

Ward sold less ppvs than any boxer in the history of ppvs and roc nation sports dropped out of boxing cause of it and here you are justifying he should get payed anywhere near 6 mil??

It's not about what you deserve, it's what you have the leverage to demand. And, if you have a history of making ~6 mil, it's not unreasonable to demand close to that. Problem was Andre didn't have as much leverage as he thought he did because Bellew had that mini-mega UK fight with Haye. Bellew and Hearn (wisely) thought Haye was the better direction and that's why the fight's not happening.

[Banderivets]

I respect Loma and Usyk were Gold medalists. I really do.. but you can't say Usyk's resume AS A PRO deems a top 10 p4p spot. That's literally all I'm arguing. I love Loma and Usyk. But, Usyk isn't on Loma's level using the eye-test or resume. Can someone just be a fan of both without over-hyping Usyk? People literally act like they are a package deal or some ****..

Well I put Usyk up there skill wise on "p4p", the resume bit will come in if/when he wins this tournament at which point there is little argument as this is the only true way to get your p4p guys.

They need to have these tournies in all divisions.

[g27region]

I don't get all this praise Usyk is getting all of a sudden after stopping Huck who looked shot in his last fight against Breidis. To me, he looked vulnerable early in the Hunter fight. In fact, I think people saying Usyk blasts Breidis out of the water have another thing coming. Breidis has shades of the Ward punch and hug style and I can see that causing some problems for Usyk in the early rounds.

Briedis won't defeat Usyk with that style, it's difficult to clinch your way to victory against the target who's faster and more dynamic than you, with a better range and punch selection like you too.But Briedis is a versatile fighter and he can use some different approach dealing with Usyk

Yeah, but against who?? Cruiserweight is a dead division. C'mon the fact that a fat heavyweight like Perez is even in the tourney shows it doesn't have the level of competition of 140-168.

Fat version of Perez would have the chance to make it to the 8 man tournament in HW. The version of Perez at CW isn't fat anyway, he was in a good shape

Man, saying that weak empty divisions like 140 or 168 > CW is just....Don't do that, please. Don't kill your credibility

The level of competition at 140 or 168 is below zero. So if 168 is more competitive, why boxing fans follow the CW tournament and nobody cares about the same tournament at 168? Doesn't make sense

You couldn't even make legit and interesting 8 man tournament for 140-168 divisions, I can guarantee that, maybe with the exception of 147, but you'd had to add fighters like Jeff Horn (the boxer nobody cared for just one fight ago), Broner or Lamont Peterson. Or fragile Amir Khan and Kell Brook who can't get past metal detectors in airports nowadays

They could replace any of these CW boxers with names like Lebedev, Vlasov, Tabiti, Makabu, Glowacki, Bellew and it still would be competitive and interesting, that's how deep it is.

Well I put Usyk up there skill wise on "p4p", the resume bit will come in if/when he wins this tournament at which point there is little argument as this is the only true way to get your p4p guys.

They need to have these tournies in all divisions.

Half of p4p list doesn't have a win of Glowacki caliber, so his resume is good enough to make an argument for Usyk being in top 10. Especially if you have some boxing fans putting Naoya Inoue there