Comments Thread For: Canelo-GGG Replay Peaks at 840K Viewers, Averages 726K on HBO

[Nomadic]

I blame Coolhand Luke

You gonna blame Paul Newman, that's just mean...lol

[angkag]

Because you assume
People like skill as you can see by Mayweathers PPV #'s
except for a certain culture GGG is seen as a great white hope, who only fought bums in order to get that certain demo hyped up. That demo was hyping up a boxer who had 19 ko's, but we had a HEAVYWEIGHT who knocked out 30+ in a row, but no credit from those same people, people see thru these things, or perceived things...we notice the bigots in boxing and on this board so he is not gonna be a star because of the bigots noticeable attitude toward Floyd/ the heavyweight champion, so its a kinda Karma.
Nope to your joshua question he needs more big fights. No one knows who joshua is. Thats my guess

ok, but if people want skill, then why isn't Rigo or Lomachenko hitting the high notes ?

If you mean Wilder, then is he a big PPV draw ? Why not ? Tyson was huge; Holyfield was a phenomenon, why not Wilder ?

If Joshua is unknown, then who are the people in the US who follow boxing and what are they looking for that they found in Mayweather ?

Golovkin collected all the MW titles except the one held hostage by BJS, why is that a 'white hope' ? I'm excited about Golovkin same way I was about Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Martinez, Cotto (8 years ago) and now Canelo, Lomachenko, meantime excited to see if Jacobs, Charlo, Mikey get to deliver. Where does bigotry come into it if the criteria is just performance within the ropes ?

All serious questions.

[sicko]

People b1tching about PBC being inactive but it is reason for it and that is COLLEGE FOOTBALL! Hard to get good ratings this time of the year for boxing especially going head to head with College Football. American Football is KING here in the States and that will never change!

Ratings should've been higher for such a great match!

[MrRolltide91]

Low ratings

[Scipio2009]

Serious question here, but what exactly sells in the US these days ?

Clearly Floyd, but why ? He doesn't produce the sort of action packed fights that I would assume the 'casual' would want to tune in to. Pac did, so can sort of understand that one a bit. But I guess the question is why more people wouldn't be interested in someone like GGG who isn't going to produce a boring fight ?

Canelo also produces fun fights to watch, albeit against dubious competition at times (Khan, old Cotto, Smith), so can maybe understand why the wind might have dulled a bit in his sails. But surely Canelo v GGG would tick all the boxes ?

Just not understanding what the average fan at home in the US looks for these days.

Would a Joshua fight in the US be big ? (like Mayweather big)

Characters/personality sells, in terms of PPV anyway (ticket selling can have regional impacts, but that's a different conversation).

Floyd proved himself to be a great fighter (and largely a good dude, from folks who have dealt with him), but he was able to launch, in my opinion, because "Money" Mayweather, as a personal, hooked the casual audience ("blowing money" in the midst of a global recession creates a reaction from everyone).

Manny Pacquiao was greatly aided by the Bob Arum/HBO machine, but the casual fan only really have him much interest when "the boxing press" held him up as the person to end "Money" Mayweather; pull Floyd's name and Pacquiao stalls out.

Mike Tyson captured the casual fan by his sheer destruction in the ring of the biggest men in the sport; once he stopped destroying people, the interest wanted.

Oscar De La Hoya truly was "The Golden Boy"; regardless of all the actual evils that he did in his life, Top Rank did what it had to to keep those quiet and push Oscar forward as the fighting pride and joy of boxing's Mexican American fanbase.

Golovkin isn't destroying everything in his path anymore (getting punked by Andre Ward didn't help things), and Alvarez not being comfortable in English hurts his reach as well, imo.

Anthony Joshua is a license to print money, as far as I'm concerned, pending that he can beat Deontay Wilder; he's physically imposing (6'6, 250lbs, basically carved out of stone), is a handsome guy (pause), is beyond comfortable in urban markets, carries himself in a way that'd work fine in Middle America, and knocks folks dead in the ring.

The British accent may limit his appeal once he heads South, but even that's not clear.

People (namely the US press) simply need to see him fight; the first one will be like Floyd-Gatti, but once that get a taste, it'll be off to the races for as long as he continues to win/win rivalries.

[Scipio2009]

Just like PPV buys, this is an outmoded metric.
With the exception of mega events, PPV is a dead model.
Expect Jon Jones v Brock Lesner in 2019, Canelo/GGG rematch & McGregor/Diaz III both in 2018.
That's about it.
Maybe Cyborg v Ronda if they can get her to agree to be concussed once more for loot.
Anyway, boxing has maybe 500,000 super fans (if that), in the U.S. And it is fading fast.
Recall that casuals make events massive (Kentucky derby, big fight, super bowl, The Masters, World Cup, Wimbledon, etc...)
Yes, lots of people tune in, but what percentage of the millions actually give a **** about the outcome?, or are just showing up for the party.
It's why crowds at live events are often dead. Casuals are there to check-in and/or "the firm had tickets".

Point being, these numbers mean **** all anymore. You can't trust the PPV figures bc it ignores illegal streams, and people who've watched specific rounds/highlight reels aren't counted in that figure.
This is big from an advertisers viewpoint. Think about how many times Tecate or Hublot has been seared into people's brains? This makes 4.4 million seem like a ****** metric.

The PPV model is dying a quick death without a significant overhaul.

You missed Joshua-Wilder but yes, the market for PPV is heading into a lull (even Espinoza was talking up, were Showtime/CBS to get the UFC, a new conversation having to be had over UFC's PPV model).

The issue largely focuses on finding the money that is needed to put on a fight that the broadcaster wants to air.

If Fighter A vs Fighter B can be had for $3m, and the broadcaster sees $3m as sensible, the fight ends up on the regular channel; if Fighter C vs Fighter D can be had for $5m, but the broadcaster can't see themselves spending that, the fight either doesn't get made or the decision is made that there's enough fan interest in the fight to get that (and more) on PPV.

[JibbaJabber]

nothing in may. how about the nba playoffs.

[JibbaJabber]

Just like PPV buys, this is an outmoded metric.
With the exception of mega events, PPV is a dead model.
Expect Jon Jones v Brock Lesner in 2019, Canelo/GGG rematch & McGregor/Diaz III both in 2018.
That's about it.
Maybe Cyborg v Ronda if they can get her to agree to be concussed once more for loot.
Anyway, boxing has maybe 500,000 super fans (if that), in the U.S. And it is fading fast.
Recall that casuals make events massive (Kentucky derby, big fight, super bowl, The Masters, World Cup, Wimbledon, etc...)
Yes, lots of people tune in, but what percentage of the millions actually give a **** about the outcome?, or are just showing up for the party.
It's why crowds at live events are often dead. Casuals are there to check-in and/or "the firm had tickets".

Point being, these numbers mean **** all anymore. You can't trust the PPV figures bc it ignores illegal streams, and people who've watched specific rounds/highlight reels aren't counted in that figure.
This is big from an advertisers viewpoint. Think about how many times Tecate or Hublot has been seared into people's brains? This makes 4.4 million seem like a ****** metric.

The PPV model is dying a quick death without a significant overhaul.

pbc on cbs gets millions of views. because you get real fights with real talent.porter vs thurman broner vs garcia wilder vs ortiz spence vs brook danny g vs thurman jack vs degeale etc etc etc. no foreigners from who knows where fighting another guy from who knows where. they are not relate able ggg and canelo is like watching 2 all white nba teams. no one wants to see that. you need black vs white puerto rican vs mexican irish vs england canada vs usa etc etc you know every guy mayweather fights has an ENTIRE COUNTRY BEHIND THEM. MARQUEZ MEXICO MOSLEY US FANS ORTIZ MEXICAN AND AMERICAN FANS COTTO PUERTO RICO AND US PUERTO RICANS GUERRO MEXICAN AND AMERICAN FANS CANELO MEXICAN AND US FANS MAIDANA THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF ARGENTINA PACQUIOA THE WHOLE PHILLIPINES AND US FANS MAYWEATHER HATERS. BERTO THE WHO COUNTRY OF HAITI. ALSO HAITIANS IN CANADA AND US HAITIANS.
MCGREGOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF IRELAND THE UK AND IRISH AMERICANS. UFC FANS BOXING FANS HATERS ETC ETC ETC. THATS WHY HE DOES HUGE NUMBERS DELA HOYA MEXICO AND AMERICAN FANS. RICKY HATTON THE UK FANS AND US CANADIANs ALL WHITE FANS WHO LIKE BOXING. THATS ONE REASON WHY HE IS HATED HE BEATS EVERY COUNTRY BEST FIGHTER. THEY BUILD THEM HE KNOCK THEM DOWN.AND MAKE ALOT OF MONEY

[sterilizer]

Canelo is a PPV star. And a non-American one, a rarity

People saying GGG-Canelo making anything less than 1.5 million in PPV buys is a failure, or comparing their fight's sales with ANY millionaire fight involving an American, are totally clueless.

To put things in perspective and prove my point:

There have been only 28 fights that have generated one million PPV views or more.

Of those 28 fights, only a measly count of six of them haven't involved any American fighter in them. Here's the list

13-Nov-10 Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito 1,150,000
8-Dec-12 Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Márquez IV 1,150,000
6-May-17 Canelo Álvarez vs. Julio César Chávez Jr. 1,200,000
14-Nov-09 Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto 1,250,000
13-Nov-11 Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Márquez III 1,400,000
16-Sep-17 Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Álvarez TBA, more than one million for sure

Of course some people could argue that Miguel Cotto is "American" but technically he isn't.

Therefore, Manny Pacquiao, Canelo Alvarez and Juan Manuel Marquez are the only boxers who have been involved in more than one fight, without an American boxer, that has generated a million PPVs or more.

I don't like Canelo Alvarez at all. But he is definitely a PPV star. He has been involved in two one million-plus PPV fights already, without an American involved. And his rivals, JCC junior and GGG haven't ever generated anything even close to that, by themselves.

Let's reverse roles. Make Mayweather Jr. any citizenship other than American, and make him a non-English speaker. And make Canelo an American, 100% fluent in English.

Canelo would easily have already a bunch of one-million plus PPV fights in his belt, and Floyd would have never even mattered.

Facts are facts. Being or not being an American has a lot to do with PPV sales, when speaking of top-level fighters.

[Bobby Shaw]

Rick Glaser has already reported that the fight did over 1M buys and more then the Chavez fight. And glaser universally has lower numbers then what promoters and networks report. Meaning the fight without a doubt did over 1M. Remember Glaser said mayweather/Mcgregor did 3.2M buys while dana white first said it did 6.5M, then showtime and promoters saying it did 4M. Glaser numbers are always on a curve lower. Based on glaser numbers and HBO execs telling Dan Rafael canelo/GIG might hit 2M buys that the fight ends up at 1.5M minimum.

Hahaha 2m my ass. It was a good fight no doubt but selling is another side of boxing.