Is GGG getting old or as he not just now had touher opponents?

[Robbie Barrett]

Again, you claiming boxer is B or C level is your own, personal and subjective opinion. Thus, it holds no value or worth in an objective discussion. The fact that they were the best boxers available at the time for GGG to beat to become the best himself in that division or an 'A' level fighter himself of that division, means that they were worthy opponents. I really don't give two cents about the arbitrary alphabetical ratings used to rate a boxer, since they are based on ABSOLUTELY nothing objective.

Also, the rankings of the boxers in a particular division is based on how good the boxer's record is, relative to the entire field in that particular division. So even if it is subjective, I'd rather accept their ranking more than any random fan like you want to rank boxers as.

Who decided they are the best boxers? Was it a human? That makes them subjective. OMFG how hard is that to understand?

[jdp28tx]

What the f*uck is with the title of this thread.

[buddyr]

I said before the Canelo fight everyone would say "he's old now" afterwards. He's the same he's ever been. It's no coincidence that as soon as he steps up in competition, the kos stop. It's no one's fault but his own that he waited until his mid 30s to start fighting elite competition.

[buddyr]

You've been doing nothing but damage control since the Canelo fight.

Golovkin is better than detractors like you thought because according to you guys, Canelo was supposed to win easily. Instead, Canelo barely won 6 rounds. But rather than just admit it, you're fumbling over yourselves trying to convince people that Canelo really won, when it's obvious he didn't. Most of the boxing world had Golovkin winning.

Note- I realize that some Golovkin fans were claiming that he would destroy Canelo, and I was not one of those fans.

Canelo without a doubt won rounds 1,2,3,8,10,12. I would sit down with Ledderman, Lampley, and Atlas in a public setting with video and no commentary and have them explain to everyone what they're seeing in regards to punches being landed. Because that is the only thing that matters during a boxing match. You don't get points for coming forward if you're not landing anything.

[stealthradon]

Canelo without a doubt won rounds 1,2,3,8,10,12. I would sit down with Ledderman, Lampley, and Atlas in a public setting with video and no commentary and have them explain to everyone what they're seeing in regards to punches being landed. Because that is the only thing that matters during a boxing match. You don't get points for coming forward if you're not landing anything.

How did he win them? By hitting gloves and running? By getting jabbed in the face?

[kafkod]

He became an A level fighter by beating B and C level fighters convincingly.

Your logic is flawed. How does a fighter become P4P #1 if he never beats a P4P #1? How does a fighter become an ATG id he never beats an ATG? They can and have.

Do you think the orgs rankings are facts? They are decided by people. Which makes them subjective. If you ask fans what they think of org rankings, the majority will tell you they are garbage.

So everybody's opinion is subjective - except yours, which should be accepted by everybody as the objective truth about GGG, his opponents and his career.

Is that what you are saying?

[kafkod]

Canelo without a doubt won rounds 1,2,3,8,10,12. I would sit down with Ledderman, Lampley, and Atlas in a public setting with video and no commentary and have them explain to everyone what they're seeing in regards to punches being landed. Because that is the only thing that matters during a boxing match. You don't get points for coming forward if you're not landing anything.

How did he win them? By hitting gloves and running? By getting jabbed in the face?

By not getting KTFO, the same way Jacobs "beat" Golovkin.

This what it boils down to for some people with GGG - he is so over-rated that if he doesn't destroy the best men in his division by KO, he got exposed.

[Graz]

Its comical. Who was Golovkin supposed to fight that he hasn't fought? Prior to Canelo (?) he's beaten every middleweight that was sanctioned and stood before him thus far. Who else that was willing to get in the ring with him was he supposed to fight?

[Mr Objecitivity]

Who decided they are the best boxers? Was it a human? That makes them subjective. OMFG how hard is that to understand?

Yes, however those 'humans' are in better authority to rank boxers than you or I. As in, they are more qualified for that job than you or I are. Otherwise, if your decision / judgement were to hold any real worth / value, then you'd be one of those 'humans' to be OFFICIALLY ranking those boxers. Since you aren't, ergo, your personal opinions holds no value to me. Official rankings > rankings made by unqualified individuals like you.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Its comical. Who was Golovkin supposed to fight that he hasn't fought? Prior to Canelo (?) he's beaten every middleweight that was sanctioned and stood before him thus far. Who else that was willing to get in the ring with him was he supposed to fight?

It is absolutely hilarious, isn't it? It appears his critics (and even haters) are willing to expose themselves as totally irrational, just so that they can diminish Golovkin's value / achievements as a boxer.

It's not Golovkin's fault that clowns like Canelo Alvarez and other supposedly 'challenging' boxers didn't fight him whilst he was younger.