Hopkins beat Taylor Both Times! Do you agree ?

[AllEyesOpen]

IMHO Hopkins won both fights, people say that Hatton beat Collazo and they mention the compubox stats & if i remember correctly Hopkins had the more landed percentabge shot. Taylor might have been the agressor but he never really landed that many punches, in the second fight the jab was working for him but Hopkins was still doing his thing(countering). I think that the fights were so close that they will alway be debated & I hope he comes in against Tarver and just let's it all go. In my opinion though if Taylor wasn't active enough to stop or at least win decisively then i dont see him beating Wright.

[psychopath]

its already a proven fact the hopkins won the first fight, i had him winning the second as well

Huh? Proven? By whom?

Dammit stick to the facts buddy not to your halucinations. The only thing proven was your boy Sturm was a *****.

[psychopath]

IMHO Hopkins won both fights, people say that Hatton beat Collazo and they mention the compubox stats & if i remember correctly Hopkins had the more landed percentabge shot. Taylor might have been the agressor but he never really landed that many punches, in the second fight the jab was working for him but Hopkins was still doing his thing(countering). I think that the fights were so close that they will alway be debated & I hope he comes in against Tarver and just let's it all go. In my opinion though if Taylor wasn't active enough to stop or at least win decisively then i dont see him beating Wright.

Don't mix it up man, Taylor defeating Bhops is another thing than Taylor defeating Wright. We'll have to see how Taylor's gonna deal with Winky's fighting style.

Bhops getting the compubox data on his side still doesn't mean he won the fight. Bhops throwed a lot of punches in the later rounds and connected but that was after the previous rounds were already won by Taylor. Taylor didn't win the early rounds decisively but his aggresion made it's marks on the judges head, that's all what it's all about.

[-EX-]

Honestly I think the first fight should have been a draw. I have only seen the second fight once, but I think Taylor won it. Jermaine wasn't winded in the late rounds like in the first fight.

[DiegoFuego]

i thought hopkins won both fights.

he was the champion and taylor didn't do anything to take the belts away in the first fight, and between both fights taylor didn't even land a solid shot. nothing ever hit hopkins clean, where as hopkins landed more than enough clean shots to be the victor.

it was hopkins verses HBO and HBO won.

in all honesty i thought that taylor looked better in the second fight but still not enough to beat hopkins, at best for taylor it should've been a draw.

the fact of the matter is, it all boils down to money and who the network can make more money off of and it is Jermain Taylor.

taylor is young, marketable, nice guy so he's good for the public, and a class act. there is a lot more money to be made off of taylor that is going to be boxing for years to come verses an old hopkins who is about to retire.

hopkins outlanded taylor in both fights and made taylor mis and not fight his game plan............. hopkins go beat by politics, plain and simple.

you're not scoring round by round though. you think if one guy does a whole lot in one round, then it counts as 3 rounds or some ****. this is boxing, man, get it right. Hopkins did more damage in the first fight by a mile, but he lost more rounds. that's how boxing is scored. I'm not surprised you didn't know this though because after the first fight, Hopkins said in his interview that he did more damage so he won. Larry Merchant had to explain to him that it's scored by the round. Hopkins didn't even ****ing know the way he was talking.

[CarminePersico]

lol ... eh man lets look at like this ...all of us have seen street fights ...

if your in a fight , the guy who lands more effectively wins ... no questions ask... and if you look worse than i do after the fight, i WON ... **** who was more active and whatever , hopkins finished strong and he hurt taylor in both fights badly ,... not to mention the way hopkins was countering was simply amazing... he picked his shots perfectly and landed flush on taylors face, he was hitting taylor so much in the first fight, that hopkins was making the crowd laugh , did you see where hopkins wiped the vasoline from his glove on taylors ass ???? lol hopkins was clowing the **** out of taylor , everytime hopkins wantded to hit taylor he did , i wish we could all meet up and watch both fights back to back together ... taylor got his ass whooped , plain and simple ... taylor knew he got his ass whooped at the end of the fight , he looked like he was about to cry , hopkins looked like he was about to cry to when they read the decision ... but fug it, hopkins beat taylor both times in my opinion ... **** a compubox...


sam soliman landed more punches than winky and compubox said winky landed more ??? ummm no plus sam soliman ****ed winky's face up and basically laid a blue print on winky wright

[OptimusWolf]

Learn the rules guys as DiegoFuego says.

Fights are scored on the 10-point must system. I get *****ng annoyed when people with 1000 posts on a boxing forum come up with comments like

"In my opinion, you have to take the belt away from the champ" or

"But he won the championship rounds"

Scoring on a round by round basis I had the first fight a draw and the second a close win for Taylor.

They were both close fights, and if people want to show me why they had Hopkins winning either/both on the scorecards, it would have been worth discussion, but not this ****.

[King Koyle]

Fair enough, but nowhere in there did I say "he was the champion so he deserved the decision." I'm not even in the "Ford cost Hopkins a draw" camp because I don't think it should have come down to that. Trust your own eyes, fine, but Taylor fans and Hopkins haters know what really happened. Reread my post, just because Taylor was doing more in the first half of the fight, doesn't mean he was winning. Hell, by that argument, didn't Soliman dominate Winky??? EFFECTIVENESS is more important than raw AGGRESSIVENESS.

Good point!But with Soliman/Winky,Winky was actually throwing a few punches a round.Hopkins did nothing for the first half of the fight.The early rounds Jermain won,were not impressive as the later rounds Hopkins won.But none the less I thought they were clear rounds for Taylor.I tend to count the five or six bodyshots and jabs landed by Taylor over the one flusher shot landed by Hopkins in the early rounds.Just they way I score.

[King Koyle]

damn that was very well put

didn't Soliman dominate Winky??? EFFECTIVENESS is more important than raw AGGRESSIVENESS

doesnt get any better than that , that just about somes up the whole taylor vs hopkins fight ...

Yeah,thats ends the debate

[AllEyesOpen]

Don't mix it up man, Taylor defeating Bhops is another thing than Taylor defeating Wright. We'll have to see how Taylor's gonna deal with Winky's fighting style.

Bhops getting the compubox data on his side still doesn't mean he won the fight. Bhops throwed a lot of punches in the later rounds and connected but that was after the previous rounds were already won by Taylor. Taylor didn't win the early rounds decisively but his aggresion made it's marks on the judges head, that's all what it's all about.

Now I love boxing and i've gone back and seen the combos that taylor threw in the first half of both fights in slow motion and i dont see a damn thing landing cleanly, now i know aggresion can sway judges but for me it has to be effective aggresion and i just didn't see that. Now the second fight was alot closer in my eyes cause of the jab, but again when it came to being effective I think Hopkins was doing well. Now i know that Hopkins isn't the most entertaining fighter but I'm a lover of the sweet science and that's why i apreciate Hopkins. What i'm saying is that if you cant be that much more active against Hopkins who is a very slow and steady type of fighter, and you start to get winded in the end it's gonna be hard against Wright. Now I've said this before, you gotta be real active on the inside and be able ot get off punches from diferent angels to beat Winky, now i haven't seen alot of wright fight but the most trouble i've seen a fighter give him is salamon who if i recall threw over 1000 punches in that fight from crazy angels, & still lost in my opinion so I'm not saying that taylor cant win but he's gonna have to step it up alot.