Why Was Maidanas Dirty Fighting Applauded???

[daggum]

I hate to bring up the race card but that's the reason for the hypocrisy.

When Maidana was dirty it was "Wow he's so aggressive and rugged!"

When Ward landed a low blow or held and hit people said "He only wins because he's dirty". It's total hypocrisy and I don't think Ward was a dirty fighter. It's just that he was always fighting on the inside so there was bound to be head-clashes and sometimes holding and hitting. I remember an interview with him where he said he doesn't want to do these things but if the opponent does it he will do it back. Which I think is understandable. Obviously it's not why he was successful, that's total BS. It takes a lot more than that and Ward was a complete fighter.

People also didn't criticize Maidana for being dirty because he was doing it to Floyd and obviously a lot of people hate Floyd so they just wanted to see him lose. Didn't matter if the guy bit him, threw muay-thai style knees or whatever. It's Floyd so he got a pass. People knew he was dirty and breaking the rules but they didn't care.

some people choose to be blind

[madsweeney]

Because Maidana didn't win as a result of those dirty tactics...

[daggum]

if the ref had ruled maidanas tackle or knee a ko win for him then yes that would be a similar comparison

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Wasn't everyone angry over the glove drama thats probably why it was excused

He cheated in the ring no surprise he would try to cheat outside the ring

[DuckAdonis]

Because he fought dirty against Mayweather and Broner, hated by alot of boxing fans

[ADP02]

In his first fight with Floyd Jr??? The majority of you all had him winning the fight and he fought dirty as hell and was urged on by his trainer to fight dirty... But now that one of the greats of our time is retiring all we see is threads complaining about how dirty he was from the same posters who took this stance?

Harry Greb was dirty but great as were alot of the greats were... Henry Armstrong, Muhammad Ali, Jack Dempsey, George Foreman, etc all had dirt in their arsenal... Whats the big deal?

Your post is somewhat confusing.

You bring up Maidana as a dirty fighter then when you bring up other names you say "what's the big deal?"

So then why did you bring up Maidana?


Maidana dirty:
While I think the ref should call both sides, there is a point that must be made. Maidana dirty, often doesn't change the outcome of the fight. Kicking, biting, tripping, pushing at a point where it was not meant to stop the opponent from using his offense is quite different than using illegal tactics to stop your opponent from his offense.

Ward dirty: There is meaning to his dirty play. It's to stop his opponent from countering effectively. Stopping his opponent from punching. If done right, can be called a punch instead of what it was (elbow, head but)!
It can injure the opponent in a way that can change the fight (eg. head but producing cuts over the eyes)!

Ward often throws HIS PUNCH then HOLDs ON to his opponent or ELBOWS his opponent. This dissuades or removes any possibility of countering.


Ward's dirty play changes outcomes of a fight. Also takes away from the fight's action and so on. Maidana's type of dirty play more often than not just gets him points deducted!!!


Go look at Ward vs Kessler fight for example. Kessler was a mess due to Ward's head-buts. Cuts over both eyes and no points deducted.


In their fight, Floyd gives Maidana obvious back to back elbows at Maidana and no points deducted ... Minutes later, Maidana trips up a Floyd that was off balance perhaps and gets a point deducted. Showtime analysts didn't even think that there should have been a point deducted.

Ref said after the fight that he had recently in a previous fight deducted 2 points in 1 fight on Maidana and was ready to deduct points on Maidana. Same ref closes his eyes to Floyd's past elbows, head-locks, forearms, hugs.


As I said in another thread. It's a 10 point system. Refs should use that to deduct points and then you would see BOTH types of fighters reduce their dirty tactics .... but as I stated, right now, only the Maidanas get points deducted.


Ward instead won using those tactics!!!


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[uppercut510]

Your post is somewhat confusing.

You bring up Maidana as a dirty fighter then when you bring up other names you say "what's the big deal?"

So then why did you bring up Maidana?


Maidana dirty:
While I think the ref should call both sides, there is a point that must be made. Maidana dirty, often doesn't change the outcome of the fight. Kicking, biting, tripping, pushing at a point where it was not meant to stop the opponent from using his offense is quite different than using illegal tactics to stop your opponent from his offense.

Ward dirty: There is meaning to his dirty play. It's to stop his opponent from countering effectively. Stopping his opponent from punching. If done right, can be called a punch instead of what it was (elbow, head but)!
It can injure the opponent in a way that can change the fight (eg. head but producing cuts over the eyes)!

Ward often throws HIS PUNCH then HOLDs ON to his opponent or ELBOWS his opponent. This dissuades or removes any possibility of countering.


Ward's dirty play changes outcomes of a fight. Also takes away from the fight's action and so on. Maidana's type of dirty play more often than not just gets him points deducted!!!


Go look at Ward vs Kessler fight for example. Kessler was a mess due to Ward's head-buts. Cuts over both eyes and no points deducted.


In their fight, Floyd gives Maidana obvious back to back elbows at Maidana and no points deducted ... Minutes later, Maidana trips up a Floyd that was off balance perhaps and gets a point deducted. Showtime analysts didn't even think that there should have been a point deducted.

Ref said after the fight that he had recently in a previous fight deducted 2 points in 1 fight on Maidana and was ready to deduct points on Maidana. Same ref closes his eyes to Floyd's past elbows, head-locks, forearms, hugs.


As I said in another thread. It's a 10 point system. Refs should use that to deduct points and then you would see BOTH types of fighters reduce their dirty tactics .... but as I stated, right now, only the Maidanas get points deducted.


Ward instead won using those tactics!!!


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u guys are pathetic

[travestyny]

People also didn't criticize Maidana for being dirty because he was doing it to Floyd and obviously a lot of people hate Floyd so they just wanted to see him lose. Didn't matter if the guy bit him, threw muay-thai style knees or whatever. It's Floyd so he got a pass. People knew he was dirty and breaking the rules but they didn't care.

Ding! We have a winner!

[Dean_Razorback]

yeah, because floyd is the cleanest fighter in the world

chino was fighting fire with fire.

ward is dirty, that's the way people will remember him. deal with it.

when has chino won a fight butting the crap out of his opponent? tell me.

[travestyny]

yeah, because floyd is the cleanest fighter in the world

chino was fighting fire with fire.

Just for clarification, are you saying that Floyd was just as dirty as Maidana in that fight?