Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo vs. Golovkin Post-Fight Mania

[The D3vil]

Golovkin was high-risk/low-reward, so nobody was in a hurry to fight him..... but those guys either have to wait/earn it, or they have to make concessions..... Golovkin was unwilling to make concessions - even with superstars - so he had to wait/earn it

You did all that to basically admit that GGG was ducked for all those years.

He was the almost universally accepted REAL Middleweight champ. He wasn't obligated to make any concessions. If Jacobs, Canelo, BJS, or anybody else in the middleweight division REALLY wanted to fight him, they would have, whether he was a big name or not.

Saying a guy is high-risk low reward is just saying, "This guy will probably beat me" and I'm not fighting somebody who will beat me without there being a bunch of money involved, which is the epitome of ducking.

If a guy is the champ, you should want to fight him, so that you can prove that you are better.

There's a reason that Canelo & Jacobs both chose to fight him AFTER the Kell Brook fight.

You think GGG's making concessions now that he wasn't before?

They saw that he was slowing down at 34, 35 years old, which is old for every division but heavyweight and saw this as the best time to make the fight.

Even Oscar De La Hoya said that 2 years ago that Canelo "wasn't ready" to fight GGG. At the time, they were pretending that it was GGG that wasn't ready for them.

[aboutfkntime]

You did all that to basically admit that GGG was ducked for all those years.

He was the almost universally accepted REAL Middleweight champ. He wasn't obligated to make any concessions. If Jacobs, Canelo, BJS, or anybody else in the middleweight division REALLY wanted to fight him, they would have, whether he was a big name or not.

Saying a guy is high-risk low reward is just saying, "This guy will probably beat me" and I'm not fighting somebody who will beat me without there being a bunch of money involved, which is the epitome of ducking.

If a guy is the champ, you should want to fight him, so that you can prove that you are better.

There's a reason that Canelo & Jacobs both chose to fight him AFTER the Kell Brook fight.

You think GGG's making concessions now that he wasn't before?

They saw that he was slowing down at 34, 35 years old, which is old for every division but heavyweight and saw this as the best time to make the fight.

Even Oscar De La Hoya said that 2 years ago that Canelo "wasn't ready" to fight GGG. At the time, they were pretending that it was GGG that wasn't ready for them.

no

I explained to the casuals that ducking myth is bollocks

only muppets fell for that rubbish

Mr "anyone from 154-168" blew off fights with Cotto/Canelo/Ward

Martinez was all about timing

Sturm I will give you

watching the Jacobs fight, prime Martinez would have beaten Golovkin

fanboys who try to perpetuate that myth are golovkin-fans, not boxing fans

Golovkin was high-risk/low-reward, so nobody was in a hurry to fight him..... but those guys either have to wait/earn it, or they have to make concessions..... Golovkin was unwilling to make concessions - even with superstars - so he had to wait/earn it

[MidWestBrawler]

But Bread do you give any credence to Virgil Hunter and Victor Conte's theory that it's not age that has declined GGG by itself, but rather overtraining in altitude and then sleeping and recovering, or should I say failing to properly recover, in altitude

I find this very interesting, can you please link the article or vid where they discuss this?

I do know they make O2 sleep tents to counteract what you describe.

[The D3vil]

no

I explained to the casuals that ducking myth is bollocks

only muppets fell for that rubbish

Mr "anyone from 154-168" blew off fights with Cotto/Canelo/Ward

Martinez was all about timing

Sturm I will give you

watching the Jacobs fight, prime Martinez would have beaten Golovkin

fanboys who try to perpetuate that myth are golovkin-fans, not boxing fans

Golovkin was high-risk/low-reward, so nobody was in a hurry to fight him..... but those guys either have to wait/earn it, or they have to make concessions..... Golovkin was unwilling to make concessions - even with superstars - so he had to wait/earn it

Him & Ward were never in the same weight class, so why was he obligated to fight somebody from the 168 class?

He's been chasing Canelo for years. Everybody knows that. Canelo wanted no part of him, which is why he chose to campaign at "Caneloweight" even when he was the lineal middleweight champion.

And you srsly think that Cotto wants it or ever wanted it with GGG?

He's essentially been the "real" middleweight champion since he destroyed Matthew Macklin. Pretty much everybody has thought of him that way. That was 4 years ago.

If anybody in the middleweight division truly wanted it with him, they would've got it.

Oscar even admitted Canelo "wasn't ready" for GGG until this year.

They waited until he was old, just like Sugar Ray did with Hagler. This aint nothing new.

[OnePunch]

People need to stop inferring that Canelo didnt make weight. The commission official was right in front of him and called out the weight. At that moment, Canelo is free to step off the scale. He does not have to wait for Buffer to announce the weight, besides Buffer was rambling on about something for almost a full minute before he realized Canelo had already weighed and stepped off the scale. Then Buffer is like "160!!!!" lol

[aboutfkntime]

Him & Ward were never in the same weight class, so why was he obligated to fight somebody from the 168 class?

He's been chasing Canelo for years. Everybody knows that. Canelo wanted no part of him, which is why he chose to campaign at "Caneloweight" even when he was the lineal middleweight champion.

And you srsly think that Cotto wants it or ever wanted it with GGG?

He's essentially been the "real" middleweight champion since he destroyed Matthew Macklin. Pretty much everybody has thought of him that way. That was 4 years ago.

If anybody in the middleweight division truly wanted it with him, they would've got it.

Oscar even admitted Canelo "wasn't ready" for GGG until this year.

They waited until he was old, just like Sugar Ray did with Hagler. This aint nothing new.

If Mr " anyone from 154-168 "..... " truly wanted it ", with Miguel Cotto..... he would not have refused to negotiate on weight with the 153lb superstar..... and he would not have accepted step-aside money

you guys have been churning out excuses since the exact moment in time that Golovkin stepped up in class

wow, what a coincidence

good on ya

[OnePunch]

If Mr " anyone from 154-168 "..... " truly wanted it ", with Miguel Cotto..... he would not have refused to negotiate on weight with the 153lb superstar..... and he would not have accepted step-aside money

you guys have been churning out excuses since the exact moment in time that Golovkin stepped up in class

wow, what a coincidence

good on ya

If you truly believe that Cotto-GGG was EVER makeable at ANY weight, then you really are dumber than most people here already think you are. But just for giggles, please tell me how one could "negotiate" on weight when there were never any negotiations in the first place? What exactly was there to "negotiate"? Do you have some secret knowledge of a fight offer at 151 or 153 or 155 from Cotto to GGG that nobody but you knows about? Oh yeah, never mind, you obviously believe that press comments and message board posts are actually genuine fight contract negotiations.

There is seriously something wrong with you and Robbie Barrett, and I wouldnt rule out the possibility that you are the same person.

[Citizen Koba]

If Mr " anyone from 154-168 "..... " truly wanted it ", with Miguel Cotto..... he would not have refused to negotiate on weight with the 153lb superstar..... and he would not have accepted step-aside money

you guys have been churning out excuses since the exact moment in time that Golovkin stepped up in class

wow, what a coincidence

good on ya

So. Cotto said he would fight Golovkin at a catchweight did he? The WBC even said that the Cotto - Canelo fight had been 2 years in the making. Golovkin never even had a look-in and was never going to ... yes, I get it... the 'no catchweight' comments by Abel give you a hook to hang your narrative off, but if you genuinely believe that Cotto would have fought Golovkin you've got to be one of a very few. Just what reason would Cotto have to fight Golovkin? I'm not saying he was scared but he could fight Canelo with or without the strap (and he showed just how much he cared about that trinket, didn't he?) for far more money than he could ever make fighting GGG.

Was it a good look for Golovkin saying 'no catchweight'? No. Was it the reason the Cotto fight didn't happen? Only in your world, man.

[aboutfkntime]

If you truly believe that Cotto-GGG was EVER makeable at ANY weight, then you really are dumber than most people here already think you are. But just for giggles, please tell me how one could "negotiate" on weight when there were never any negotiations in the first place? What exactly was there to "negotiate"? Do you have some secret knowledge of a fight offer at 151 or 153 or 155 from Cotto to GGG that nobody but you knows about? Oh yeah, never mind, you obviously believe that press comments and message board posts are actually genuine fight contract negotiations.

There is seriously something wrong with you and Robbie Barrett, and I wouldnt rule out the possibility that you are the same person.

BEFORE shht got real:

October 2014
Ring TV.com: If you could, for a moment, could you specifically address the notion of fighting Andre Ward and/or Miguel Cotto or Canelo Alvarez?

Gennady Golovkin: I have big respect for Andre Ward. He has accomplished many things in the ring. My focus is to fight at middleweight unless there is a big fight at 154 or 168 that would be on pay-per-view. I think both Canelo and Cotto are warriors in the ring. They both have big hearts and both would be a big event and pay-per-view fights.
https://www.ring tv.com/362749-gennady-golovkin-puts-miguel-cotto-atop-his-wish-list/



AFTER shht got real:

October 2015
"Cotto-Canelo takes place at a catch-weight of 155-pounds. Canelo has never fought above 155. Cotto has never fought at the full middleweight limit. He fought Daniel Geale at 157 and Sergio Martinez at 159. Cotto stated in past interviews that all of his future opponents would be subject to a catch-weight.....

"I'm champion of 160, middleweight is my comfortable weight. For what [reason would I do a catch-weight]? For business or for what? I'm a boxer. I'm the champion of the middleweight division," Golovkin said."

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-rejects-idea-catch-weight-cotto-canelo--97113

by refusing to negotiate on weight, they were never going to receive/make an offer..... and you know it

they did absolutely nothing to make that fight

oh, and there is that thing about taking step-aside money




come on, nobody made any of that up, it happened

and yet, Cotto is somehow top of Golovkin " ducking " list

you are smarter than that

[aboutfkntime]

So. Cotto said he would fight Golovkin at a catchweight did he? The WBC even said that the Cotto - Canelo fight had been 2 years in the making. Golovkin never even had a look-in and was never going to ... yes, I get it... the 'no catchweight' comments by Abel give you a hook to hang your narrative off, but if you genuinely believe that Cotto would have fought Golovkin you've got to be one of a very few. Just what reason would Cotto have to fight Golovkin? I'm not saying he was scared but he could fight Canelo with or without the strap (and he showed just how much he cared about that trinket, didn't he?) for far more money than he could ever make fighting GGG.

Was it a good look for Golovkin saying 'no catchweight'? No. Was it the reason the Cotto fight didn't happen? Only in your world, man.

I would just about bet my life that IF Cotto had beaten Canelo, he would have fought Golovkin at catchweight

no... question... at all

would you bet your life that Mr "anyone from 154-168" finally backed up all of that shht talk and fight Cotto at 157, a weight he made a couple of fights earlier?

didn't think so

read the quote from Golovkin in my reply to Onepunch

BEFORE shht got real:

October 2014
Ring TV.com: If you could, for a moment, could you specifically address the notion of fighting Andre Ward and/or Miguel Cotto or Canelo Alvarez?

Gennady Golovkin: I have big respect for Andre Ward. He has accomplished many things in the ring. My focus is to fight at middleweight unless there is a big fight at 154 or 168 that would be on pay-per-view. I think both Canelo and Cotto are warriors in the ring. They both have big hearts and both would be a big event and pay-per-view fights.
https://www.ring tv.com/362749-gennady-golovkin-puts-miguel-cotto-atop-his-wish-list/



AFTER shht got real:

October 2015
"Cotto-Canelo takes place at a catch-weight of 155-pounds. Canelo has never fought above 155. Cotto has never fought at the full middleweight limit. He fought Daniel Geale at 157 and Sergio Martinez at 159. Cotto stated in past interviews that all of his future opponents would be subject to a catch-weight.....

"I'm champion of 160, middleweight is my comfortable weight. For what [reason would I do a catch-weight]? For business or for what? I'm a boxer. I'm the champion of the middleweight division," Golovkin said."

http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-rejects-idea-catch-weight-cotto-canelo--97113

by refusing to negotiate on weight, they were never going to receive/make an offer..... and you know it

they did absolutely nothing to make that fight

oh, and there is that thing about taking step-aside money




come on, nobody made any of that up, it happened

and yet, Cotto is somehow top of Golovkin " ducking " list

you are smarter than that

what changed in a year..... ?

come on man, you are also smarter than that