People who award aggression over clean punches and counter-punching

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  • Cutthroat
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    #31
    Originally posted by stealthradon
    If there was no power behind it, why did Canelo run marathon?

    Don't know what you're talking about. Canelo won almost every exchange in the center of the ring, he boxed comfortably off the ropes, he landed over 90% of the body shots thrown in the fight by either man, he landed all the cleanest punches to the head and body, even his jabs were more quality than ggg's.

    All ggg did was constantly come forward, abandon the body completely, fail to cut off the ring effectively, fail to outbox Canelo on the ropes, in the center of the ring, etc.

    I mean it's so bad that ggg fan boys can't even produce evidence of him landing clean, I've seen 1 gif this whole time, just 1 of a punch that landed near Nelo's neck.

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    • Lopez_Boxing
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      #32
      Originally posted by Cutthroat
      Don't know what you're talking about. Canelo won almost every exchange in the center of the ring, he boxed comfortably off the ropes, he landed over 90% of the body shots thrown in the fight by either man, he landed all the cleanest punches to the head and body, even his jabs were more quality than ggg's.

      All ggg did was constantly come forward, abandon the body completely, fail to cut off the ring effectively, fail to outbox Canelo on the ropes, in the center of the ring, etc.

      I mean it's so bad that ggg fan boys can't even produce evidence of him landing clean, I've seen 1 gif this whole time, just 1 of a punch that landed near Nelo's neck.
      You make way to much sense. It's going to go over their heads and the responses will be "but the ginger ran the whole fight all he did was lay on the ropes. He won the 30 second exchanges."" Which I'm still scratching my head at. Did he lay on the ropes or run?

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      • TonyGe
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        #33
        Originally posted by Cutthroat
        You mean that bullshyt pitty pat jab with no power behind it?
        That's the one. It did what it was supposed to, push him back. By the way since you think is a pitty pat jab then even you should realize how clueless Canelo is.

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        • stealthradon
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          #34
          Originally posted by Cutthroat
          Don't know what you're talking about. Canelo won almost every exchange in the center of the ring, he boxed comfortably off the ropes, he landed over 90% of the body shots thrown in the fight by either man, he landed all the cleanest punches to the head and body, even his jabs were more quality than ggg's.

          All ggg did was constantly come forward, abandon the body completely, fail to cut off the ring effectively, fail to outbox Canelo on the ropes, in the center of the ring, etc.

          I mean it's so bad that ggg fan boys can't even produce evidence of him landing clean, I've seen 1 gif this whole time, just 1 of a punch that landed near Nelo's neck.
          Canelo did not land 90% of the body shots thrown. He didn't even land 30% of his total punches.
          All the gifs I have seen of Canelo have been misses. His jabs were poor.

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          • Cutthroat
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            #35
            Originally posted by TonyGe
            That's the one. It did what it was supposed to, push him back. By the way since you think is a pitty pat jab then even you should realize how clueless Canelo is.

            What did ggg do to Canelo on the ropes? Did he throw body shots? No. Was he landing the better punches? No. It's called ineffective aggression.

            Canelo has consistently fought off the ropes throughout his career.

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            • TonyGe
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              #36
              Originally posted by Cutthroat
              What did ggg do to Canelo on the ropes? Did he throw body shots? No. Was he landing the better punches? No. It's called ineffective aggression.

              Canelo has consistently fought off the ropes throughout his career.
              Yes he was landing punches when Canelo was on the ropes..

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              • Mukuro
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                #37
                Aggression shouldn't win a round if you are being beaten convincingly by other metrics. However, if other metrics are more or less a wash, yeah aggression can carry it.

                Canelo was not convincingly beating GGG by any metric. He was more accurate with power punches, but landing about same amount and was being out-jabbed handily. He was not dictating the pace of the fight for most of the fight, and yeah, he was backing up almost entire fight.

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                • Cutthroat
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by TonyGe
                  Yes he was landing punches when Canelo was on the ropes..

                  They weren't quality as much as you want to pretend they were. It was Canelo landing the quality shots. The 1 shot each man out landed each other in were body shots and jabs. It comes down to Canelo's effective, hard body punching to ggg's pitty pat jabs.

                  It's been 2 weeks since the fight ended and there has only been 1, just a single gif of ggg landing a partial neck punch.

                  Where are all the gifs, the sigs of ggg's clean work? It's easy to find Nelo's, but when you ask ggg fan boys for hard evidence they fail to produce it.

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                  • Sparked_26
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                    #39
                    The ultimate aggression vs sporadic clean punching fight is Froch vs Dirrell.

                    That is a line in the sand for where judges and fight fans stand.

                    I thought Dirrell should have been thrown out let alone win the fight. And there is absolutely no doubt he landed the cleaner harder punches and I think he buzzed Froch a few times. Unfortunately, he also literally dived to the mat whenever Froch had him any kind of tough spot.

                    Similarly Hughie Fury vs Parker. Hughie looked nice and neat on the back foot but he essentially stopped a fight breaking out.

                    Canelo was aggressive in spots and took the fight to GGG at times. So I can see why people have that fight for Canelo.

                    For me, If I think if a fighter is trying to stop from breaking out and avoiding engaging for 2 minutes 50 seconds of a round and then lands with hard clean shot. I still don't want to give him the round. It just feels like a robbery. Scoring is subjective but aggression is fairly objective - you can see it when one guy is forcing the issue.

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                    • moltres.
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                      #40
                      nobody cant say they were not suprised by the 10-2 score. it was either a awkward wtf is happening laugh knowing its not right, or oh dear, head in hands i can not believe whats happening.

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