Would you consider Pacquiao one of the best offensive fighters of all time?

[djtmal]

No matter what the reason Floyd sr asked for testing, both guys would be tested. Manny refused. Then he refused the cutoff requests. You can't change this. So you deny it.

You will not admit the truth because you know once you do, you will be asked why you think a guy you feel would beat Floyd easily refused to fight him. That is a tough question for anyone to answer.

I'm fine with whatever opinion you and others have about ODH and Manny beating Floyd. All I ask is you be honest that they refused to fight him during this period.

You have never been, nor will ever be, man enough to just admit Manny refused the fight during this period. You keep trying to justify it through semantics and cloaking his refusal in "negotiations".

admit the truth...this boy is funny...
didn't your boy refuse the cutoff date the pac's offered...amazes me how you and your save-a-floyds equate this to being on the little guy

[WesternChamp]

No matter what the reason Floyd sr asked for testing, both guys would be tested. Manny refused. Then he refused the cutoff requests. You can't change this. So you deny it.

You will not admit the truth because you know once you do, you will be asked why you think a guy you feel would beat Floyd easily refused to fight him. That is a tough question for anyone to answer.

I'm fine with whatever opinion you and others have about ODH and Manny beating Floyd. All I ask is you be honest that they refused to fight him during this period.

You have never been, nor will ever be, man enough to just admit Manny refused the fight during this period. You keep trying to justify it through semantics and cloaking his refusal in "negotiations".

and the same can be said about floyd!!! why refuse to fight a guy who he says is easy work and easy money?? this should be fun.

you believe no version of manny can beat floyd, so why didnt floyd fight manny in 2009 if it was easy?

[The Big Dunn]

did i say only manny was gonna be tested? manny wanted a cut off, he explained his reasons, floyd refuse, yet its manny's fault?

why didnt sr ask for testing for the hatton fight? why did they only ask for it after the cotto fight? did they see some thing in that fight? why didnt they accuse pac after he slept hatton in 2? like it or not, but the mayweathers saw some thing in that fight that made them hesitant, that's why they started accusing manny.

Now you are deflecting to questions that are not relevant. I have no problem debating why testing was asked for. However, I will not until you admit Manny refused, which you are not capable of doing.

It's simple. ODH was the cash cow. Fighting Floyd then would have been an embarrassing loss which may have affected his long term earning potential. (sort of like Nonito/Rigo).

In Manny's case, Bob was making great money with Manny. A lopsided loss would have the same affect. Now if your heart tells you Manny would "win with ease", hey cool. Just don't act like this was the opinion of Top Rank's matchmakers or the objective, knowledgeable boxing public.

These however are just opinions. WHat isn't an opinion is they both refused to fight Floyd during the periods the posters I asked suggested they both would beat him.

[The Big Dunn]

and the same can be said about floyd!!! why refuse to fight a guy who he says is easy work and easy money?? this should be fun.

you believe no version of manny can beat floyd, so why didnt floyd fight manny in 2009 if it was easy?

They didn't fight because Manny refused to fight. Floyd offered different cutoff dates which Manny and his team also refused. This was verified by the media and Manny's trainer Freddy Roach.

So again, why can't you just admit this? Does it make Manny lesser of a man in your eyes if you admit he refused to fight?

[The Big Dunn]

admit the truth...this boy is funny...
didn't your boy refuse the cutoff date the pac's offered...amazes me how you and your save-a-floyds equate this to being on the little guy

No, Roach even verified what happened. Maybe he is lying too.

For whatever reason you, western and others would rather die than admit Manny refused to fight Floyd. What is so hard about it? Doing so doesn't make Manny a lesser man nor take away from his career.

Maybe admitting it is equal to giving Floyd credit for being a great fighter which is something you guys don't want to ever do.

[WesternChamp]

Now you are deflecting to questions that are not relevant. I have no problem debating why testing was asked for. However, I will not until you admit Manny refused, which you are not capable of doing.

It's simple. ODH was the cash cow. Fighting Floyd then would have been an embarrassing loss which may have affected his long term earning potential. (sort of like Nonito/Rigo).

In Manny's case, Bob was making great money with Manny. A lopsided loss would have the same affect. Now if your heart tells you Manny would "win with ease", hey cool. Just don't act like this was the opinion of Top Rank's matchmakers or the objective, knowledgeable boxing public.

These however are just opinions. WHat isn't an opinion is they both refused to fight Floyd during the periods the posters I asked suggested they both would beat him.

keep beating around the bush. floyd asked for random testing manny counter back with a cut off.

if they were afraid of manny losing, then why bob kept putting manny in with marquez, the only guy to make manny look normal? and manny fought oscar in 2008, team manny didnt start calling out floyd until after the cotto fight in 2009 so not sure what you're saying about oscar is the cash cow so fighting floyd then and losing will hurt his earnings?

so first you said it was manny that didnt want it now you're saying it was TR that didnt want manny to fight floyd?

and you still havent answer my question about why didnt sr and floyd accuse pac after the hatton fight? why did they start accusing him only after the cotto fight?

[djtmal]

They didn't fight because Manny refused to fight.

On January 7, 2010, both of the camps went into mediation to try and get the fight back on but Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

...looks like a mexican standoff to me...

[WesternChamp]

No, Roach even verified what happened. Maybe he is lying too.

For whatever reason you, western and others would rather die than admit Manny refused to fight Floyd. What is so hard about it? Doing so doesn't make Manny a lesser man nor take away from his career.

Maybe admitting it is equal to giving Floyd credit for being a great fighter which is something you guys don't want to ever do.

here is what roach had to say during 2009 --

"I will not let my fighter take a blood test the day before a fight," Roach said. "If they give me a five-day window or something like that I have no problem with it."

manny refuse? but on the other post you just said TR kept him away from floyd.

[djtmal]

No, Roach even verified what happened. Maybe he is lying too.

For whatever reason you, western and others would rather die than admit Manny refused to fight Floyd. What is so hard about it? Doing so doesn't make Manny a lesser man nor take away from his career.

Maybe admitting it is equal to giving Floyd credit for being a great fighter which is something you guys don't want to ever do.

funny, i keep coming up with this...

On January 7, 2010, both of the camps went into mediation to try and get the fight back on but Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

...looks like a mexican standoff to me...

[The Big Dunn]

keep beating around the bush. floyd asked for random testing manny counter back with a cut off.

if they were afraid of manny losing, then why bob kept putting manny in with marquez, the only guy to make manny look normal? and manny fought oscar in 2008, team manny didnt start calling out floyd until after the cotto fight in 2009 so not sure what you're saying about oscar is the cash cow so fighting floyd then and losing will hurt his earnings?

so first you said it was manny that didnt want it now you're saying it was TR that didnt want manny to fight floyd?

and you still havent answer my question about why didnt sr and floyd accuse pac after the hatton fight? why did they start accusing him only after the cotto fight?

Western you keep reposting that but it doesn't change the fact he refused. Roach has verified this. Is he lying too?

Floyd is significantly better than JMM. You are getting confused. Another poster brought up ODH, I responded regarding the time period that poster brought up. See the thread.

No, I said Manny refused. Then I said TR's matchmakers didn't think Manny would beat Floyd.

I told you I will not answer that until you admit Manny refused the fight. Then we can get into the other stuff.