It Don't Look Good For Saul/Lil G

[maguirre]

Golovkin called out Bhop at 175 several years ago. Bhop responded, "I'm not the one calling out the little man." Bhop even fought LHW Former 175 Kazakh champ, Shumenov.

Exactly my point. It was asked by a ****** person in the media. And what is any fighter supposed to say? Why not ask Spence if he would fight Golovkin and see what you'll get?

[koolkc107]

I don't even believe it came from GGG out of the blue when we all know it is customary for the so-called "media" that crowds around him or any champion for that matter asking the darnedest questions. If you ask Spence, for example, if he would fight lil G, what is he supposed to say? Well, he just called out GGG and Canelo recently, so why didn't that get any traction?

Why even take it seriously, I find myself shaking my head. Didn't Ward called out Mayweather and said he will fight him at 160?

LOL!!!!

You went with the "fake news" card?

Nice!

The guy was making plans to fight 168 pound guys but whiffed on THE 168 LB GUY.

There are so many videos of him saying he wants Ward, and so much proof of him and his handlers steering clear time after time.

The only time they seemed serious about trying to make a fight with Ward is when they knew he either physically or contractually couldn't.

But, think whatever you like...

[Diego Rodriguez]

Way off base.

This is actually the first year Lil g is fighting anyone his own size that can be called elite or near that.

I thought he lost to Jacobs but it WAS close.

A win over Canelo and he begins to get the respect from me that you think he deserved beating the Willie Monroes, Curtis Stevens and Dominic Wades of the world.

LOL! You fit the profile perfectly of the Golovkin hater. Of course you thought Jacobs beat him. I have found a hater yet who didn't think Jacobs won.

Even the haters had to acknowledge it was close. You bold the WAS like you are conceding something. Anyone who thinks Jacobs won going away would be totally not credible.

And even if he wins he only begins to get the respect. LOL.

I have fun talking boxing but realize this small community is insignificant in how boxers will be viewed by history. You can give him or not give him credit doesn't mean anything to me or how Golovkin will be viewed in boxing if he beats Canelo.

[QballLobo]

None of those fights had the appeal of a Canelo/GGG. Non of those were on a big Mexican holiday which is a huge weekend for boxing. Apples to oranges comparison.

[maguirre]

LOL!!!!

You went with the "fake news" card?

Nice!

The guy was making plans to fight 168 pound guys but whiffed on THE 168 LB GUY.

There are so many videos of him saying he wants Ward, and so much proof of him and his handlers steering clear time after time.

The only time they seemed serious about trying to make a fight with Ward is when they knew he either physically or contractually couldn't.

But, think whatever you like...

You gotta be an idiot to take them seriously. Videos need people behind the camera. They ask ****** questions. Most of them are leading questions.

Spence called out GGG and Canelo recently without even being asked, so why didn't anyone take that seriously?

[koolkc107]

LOL! You fit the profile perfectly of the Golovkin hater. Of course you thought Jacobs beat him. I have found a hater yet who didn't think Jacobs won.

Even the haters had to acknowledge it was close. You bold the WAS like you are conceding something. Anyone who thinks Jacobs won going away would be totally not credible.

And even if he wins he only begins to get the respect. LOL.

I have fun talking boxing but realize this small community is insignificant in how boxers will be viewed by history. You can give him or not give him credit doesn't mean anything to me or how Golovkin will be viewed in boxing if he beats Canelo.

His resume is full of trash, and some good but not yet great fighters.

He is 35 yet this is the first guy around his size that is undisputedly elite HE HAS EVER FOUGHT.

You don't see a problem there?

With a guy that has held a belt for almost 7 years?

OK.

Call me a hater if you must.

I realize that if you love the guy, objectivity might come off as hating.

He loses to Canelo, do you think he gets into the HOF anyway?

[bigsmoothh]

Unless you work for the company in question why on earth would you care about ppv numbers

this is something that surprise's me too. why a few years back boxing fans weren't too cautious on fighters purses or ppv sales.

[Diego Rodriguez]

The only time they seemed serious about trying to make a fight with Ward is when they knew he either physically or contractually couldn't.

But, think whatever you like...

LOL! You see what you want.

Golovkin made the 154-168lbs comment in 2012. Ward couldn't fight. You take him at his word.

3 years later Ward calls out Golovkin. Just happens to be when Ward hasn't had a major fight in a while and his name is in the background of boxing. Also happens to be when he's not at 168lbs. Also happens to be exactly when Cotto is getting heat to fight Golovkin. Cotto who happens to be with same promoter as Ward. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

Golovkin is now literally on cusp of getting big name fights and big pay day fights. So he was supposed to throw that all away to hopefully make a deal with a guy who was known as teribble to deal with, at a weight neither guy was fighting at for far less money than he could be making shortly.

It would have been downright idioctic for Golovkin and his team to have thrown that all away. No fighter in his position had or would have done that.

You believe what you want to believe. I believe neither guy ducked each other. Golovkin didn't get the fights he needed earlier in his career that might have allowed them to make a fight. Things just didn't work out.

I always throw the parallel between Hops career up to the Tito fight and Golovkin's up to this fight. They have some big similarities. Look at Hops career and if you tell me you were highly critical all the way until he lost against Taylor, I highly doubt it. He had the boxing world's respect after the Tito fight just like Golovkin will if he dominates Canelo. The haters will be insignificant like they are always in the end.

[Diego Rodriguez]

His resume is full of trash, and some good but not yet great fighters.

He is 35 yet this is the first guy around his size that is undisputedly elite HE HAS EVER FOUGHT.

You don't see a problem there?

With a guy that has held a belt for almost 7 years?

OK.

Call me a hater if you must.

I realize that if you love the guy, objectivity might come off as hating.

He loses to Canelo, do you think he gets into the HOF anyway?

Canelo according to you is undisputed elite but Golovkin wins he'll only begin to get your respect. That makes no f'n sense.

ive said on so many of these threads that Golovkin's resume isn't as strong as it should be and principally it has to do with the guys at MW avoiding him. He had a bad promoter in Germany who f'd him over. He did what he needed to do, he came to the States. He is finally getting the big name fight at MW that he should have got probably three or four years ago. As I've said before look at Hopkins. He heard the same crap about weak competition. He opened as a 3-1 dog car Tito because he wasn't that good the experts said. He didn't beat anyone. Exact same arguments.

I knowing will tell you I am a Golovkin fan. But I value intellectual honesty before fandom. I'll tell you his resume isn't great it also isn't horrible. The way you win also matters to me. I'll tell you what I think his weaknesses are. No fighter is perfect. But I see the difference between an objective argument and someone who has an emotional hate and can't be objective.

If he loses clearly, never fight again and retires. I honestly don't know how deep the HOF goes in boxing, meaning I don't know how low the bar is set so I can't specifically say. But I can't consider him great. Probably very highest I'd put him is very good. If Canelo wins he is going to have to be a hell of a good fighter to beat Golovkin.

[koolkc107]

I always throw the parallel between Hops career up to the Tito fight and Golovkin's up to this fight. They have some big similarities. Look at Hops career and if you tell me you were highly critical all the way until he lost against Taylor, I highly doubt it. He had the boxing world's respect after the Tito fight just like Golovkin will if he dominates Canelo. The haters will be insignificant like they are always in the end.

That's what Lil g fans do...draw parallels where there aren't any.

BHop was already highly respected AND battle-tested by the time he fought Tito.

You can believe this or choose not to but I told folks for months before that fight that BHop would stop him, that DLH had already laid down a blueprint that a savvy Hopkins could easily adapt to his own style.

Hopkins was already tested and had not waited until he was halfway to 40 to face elite competition.

And unlike Canelo, Tito was not "green" to the weightclass. Trinidad had already beaten a legit, world class middleweight (William Joppy who had defended the WBA belt 11 times, 8 straight times after regaining it).

There really is no comparison.