Name 1 Prime A-level fighter that Mayweather has on his resume......

[Boxing Logic]

Thraxox there are a lot of racial fans on here that will probably insult you for this, but you are 100% correct and I've said this many times. Canelo is the only one who comes close and Canelo was weight drained for that fight, plus he's never decisively beaten a top boxer himself either. You are 100% correct. As for Diego Corrales, on top of all the great points you made about that fight, Alex Ariza was the fitness coach for Corrales during that fight, and Ariza gave an interview to ESNews saying that was the biggest mistake of his career because Corrales had the fever all week, so Ariza decided to try a "hail mary" and "starve the fever" or something, which backfired and made Corrales even sicker, which is why he missed weight for that fight.

In other words, not only had Corrales been KO'd by other guys, but that wasn't even the best Corrales Floyd fought, it was a sick, weight drained, walking corpse, as Ariza describes it.

So literally every Floyd victory against a supposed elite opponent is just an illusion. It should tell you something that Corrales is all Floyd fans have to point to in terms of A-level prime wins. Corrales was not A-level and he was not prime, healthy Corrales on that night.

It's ironic that people criticize GGG's resumé when Daniel Jacobs at 160 is a more difficult puzzle than anyone Floyd ever fought in their primes. The closest I can think of is Miguel Cotto at 154, but Cotto was a natural 140 or 147, he had a short reach even for welterweight... Jacobs has a long reach for middleweight... Cotto is physically short for welterweight... Jacobs is tall for middleweight... Cotto is a mostly one-handed fighter... Jacobs is so ambidextrous he can switch stances... Cotto is slower than Jacobs despite being smaller and fighting in a lower division... Cotto has the more powerful hook to the body but overall Jacobs has more knockout power...

Floyd's entire career was cherry picked for him, even when Top Rank promoted him. People act like Top Rank is above that, but you can see them doing the exact same thing with Crawford now. All of his "big fights" since Gamboa rocked him have been against carefully picked guys with very low knockout ratios. They just got lucky this time that those guys happened to come with belts as well because of how weak 140 is. But Crawford finally had a chance to fight someone good in that division, Lipinets, and he vacated the IBF. Why? Because that would mean actually fighting someone with both athleticism and power, something he hasn't done since fighting Gamboa, and that only happened because Gamboa was so much smaller. It still almost backfired though.

Not that Lipinets has elite athleticism or power, but at least he has both, which, again, is more than you can say about anyone Crawford has fought since Gamboa. So Top Rank knows what they're doing, but once again the same ignorant, racially biased Floyd fanbase is lapping up the BS they're being sold, so I guess Top Rank is smart to keep selling them low-risk bull**** if they'll keep buying it? It's hilarious that when Floyd said belts don't matter, they all parroted that ****, but now that Crawford is fighting B-level opponents who have belts, these same fans want to tell you the level of the opponent doesn't matter, it's the belts that matter, and they make Crawford a great #1 pound-for-pound fighter all by themselves, he doesn't need to actually face anyone good.

Floyd got rich off these idiots without ever having to fight prime elite competition. Maybe Crawford will too. As for me the neutral boxing fan, I will stick to supporting real ones. Looking forward to Lomachenko-Rigondeaux in December, a fight between not one, but two, real ones.

[RussB23]

margs was just destroyed by mosley and pac so he clearly was not the same especially with that gruesome injury(had to bribe commision in order to let him fight) how much credit should cotto get? especially seeing as he didnt even fight the last 3 rounds when marg was coming on. just name one good win cotto has above 147......................nothing found. beast lmao. if this isnt evidence that floyd fans are irrational i dont know what is. trying to pretend cotto was great to make floyd look better. same people said cotto and margs were shot when pac fought them now cotto beating margs is amazing? stop tying your brain into a pretzel its gotta be painful

Oh ok . Marg was beat by mosley. How great, you realize floyd then beat mosley after mosley beat margs ass?

[boxinghead530]

You can literally discredit alot of fighters resume by just belittling their competition like floyd haters do. Truth is floyd beat alot of great fighters at the end of the day.

Thats true. Thats due to the fact that the era of the last 10 years has been utter garbage and imo one of the worse competition wise.

Floyd had many opportunities and options to fight better competition than he did, especially once he moved to 147. But every top guy he fought at 147 and 154 was either way past their past and washed up, e.i Mosely, ODLH, Cotto, and Pacquiao or they were never that good of champions, i.e. Guerreo, Ortiz, Berto, Hatton, Maidana and others.

His record is all smoke and mirrors.

[New England]

Mayweather wasnt in his prime he beat guys like cotto and canelo either. Wasnt even in his prime at ww anyway. You guys act like all of floyds opponents age and get past prime while floyd never does, hillarious double standard.

no, that's what you call a straw argument, something you made up on your own and are attributing to others. it's a common tactic of children, or people who don't have a leg to stand on.



now, the idea that floyd wasn't in his prime as a welterweight is just laughable, like yourself and much of the die hard floyd mayweather fanbase on boxingscene. he wasn't in his prime for zab judah? ricky hatton? only in his prime at 130 lbs, i take it?


another narrative spun by idiots trying to make floyd mayweather's accomplishments look better than they are is people [idiots] pushing the idea that floyd wasn't a welterweight. WTF was he if he couldn't make weight against marquez when he was in debt to the IRS and needed the money? couldn't make a welterweight catchweight, yet he wasn't a natural welterweight?


jesus f#cking christ, how you can stand there with TBE in your f#cking username and act liek you aren't biased is just laughable. i'm literallly sitting here laughing at the idea of you expecting me to take you seriously after A: reading your posts in this thread, and B: your username

[RussB23]

[QUOTE=New England;18000205]

here's another one

yeah man, canelo sat on a chair at the weigh in because he was feeling great!

and look at his stomach! not shrunk in!








and here's canelo talking about how mayweather's team wanted him to fight at 147 lbs . not trying to drain him though! and when they took canelo's next fight at 155 lbs it was just for show, right?


you might be that biased, hardly worth the time fo day fanboy who can look a young fighter with no muscle tone, sitting down in a chair with his stomach shrunken in like he's been starving, but i am not. there are a bunch of people in this thread who actually think and look into issues instead of simply toting hte party line and shouting TBE everywhere they go. we're called adults. and sometimes the kids just need to shut the f#ck up and learn something from the adults.

here is canelo at the liam smith weigh in

Stomach also sunk in, looks terrible. He completely obliterated smith, i didnt hear any crying about him being drained. Hes actually gotten bigger since the floyd fight and couldnt even make 154 anymore so he fought at 155 to not cut 1 extra pound. So he was draining himself constantly , he still won every fight except for floyd.

he wasnt any more or less drained against floyd then he was against smith, you guys just use it as an excuse to discredit floyds win because you know its probably floyds best win so you have to belittle it somehow to fit your agenda. truly pathetic and bitter mindset.

[New England]

I agree, Canelo Is a very good win, but as you said, he was clearly drained. His fans argue, but Floyd himself has stated that his team matched him perfectly. It Is Interesting that Canelo needed a chair present at the weigh In. Didn't realize he was quite that bad.

unlike a lot of these clowns i've actually paid dough to see floyd fight


but i'm some kind of canelo fanboy, i guess?

[RussB23]

no, that's what you call a straw argument, something you made up on your own and are attributing to others. it's a common tactic of children, or people who don't have a leg to stand on.



now, the idea that floyd wasn't in his prime as a welterweight is just laughable, like yourself and much of the die hard floyd mayweather fanbase on boxingscene. he wasn't in his prime for zab judah? ricky hatton? only in his prime at 130 lbs, i take it?


another narrative spun by idiots trying to make floyd mayweather's accomplishments look better than they are is people [idiots] pushing the idea that floyd wasn't a welterweight. WTF was he if he couldn't make weight against marquez when he was in debt to the IRS and needed the money? couldn't make a welterweight catchweight, yet he wasn't a natural welterweight?


jesus f#cking christ, how you can stand there with TBE in your f#cking username and act liek you aren't biased is just laughable. i'm literallly sitting here laughing at the idea of you expecting me to take you seriously after A: reading your posts in this thread, and B: your username

He wasnt in his prime at WW, he was still the best. But not the same fighter he was in the lower weight classes. Only a ****** would argue otherwise. He was in his mid to late 30's most of his time at WW.

[New England]

[QUOTE=RussTBE;18000230]

here is canelo at the liam smith weigh in

Stomach also sunk in, looks terrible. He completely obliterated smith, i didnt hear any crying about him being drained. Hes actually gotten bigger since the floyd fight and couldnt even make 154 anymore so he fought at 155 to not cut 1 extra pound. So he was draining himself constantly , he still won every fight except for floyd.

he wasnt any more or less drained against floyd then he was against smith, you guys just use it as an excuse to discredit floyds win because you know its probably floyds best win so you have to belittle it somehow to fit your agenda. truly pathetic and bitter mindset.

stop acting like i ahve some kind of agenda, kid. i went to vegas to see floyd mayweather fight . i'm probably a bigger fan of his than you are. certainly i've inveested more time and money into his career.


canelo was drained for smith, but not 152 drained.

when you see a fighter and call him drained, say he looked the same against floyd, and then say that he wasn't drained



let me get you a shovel. and when you're done digging yourself a bigger hole i'll sell you some beans.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Jose Luis Castillo

[RussB23]

Canelo was drained against floyd, but wasnt against liam smith.

seems legit, looks exactly the same