The Mayweather handpicking myth is a lie

[maracho]

We were having a respectful and serious conversation until you reared your head.

Your list lacks context, like year and weightclass. Youre just naming names. You don't know ****. Better lists have been made. Shut up. Winky has been in Jr middle since at least 2000. Vernon forest was a Jr Middle in 2002, why didn't he face Winky. Floyd agreed to fight Marg but not to his required contract extension. And PAC was afraid of needles. Now youre fully caught up on the conversation.

Here's a realistic list of top guys in his weight classes -- you can go head and pick out who would have beat Floyd. Or how his resume would of been so much stronger.

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Super featherweight -2001

Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor, Robert Garcia, Steve Forbes, Jong Kwon Baek, Takanori Hatakeyama, Lavka Sim and Jorge Barrios.

Lightweight 2002-2003

Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Stevie Johnston, Artur Grigorian, Raul Balbi, Juan Lazcano and Javier Jauregui

Light Welterweight 2004-2005

Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, Vivian Harris, Carlos Maussa, and Junior Witter

Welterweight 2006

Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron and Luis Collazo

Light Middleweight 2007

Cory Spinks, Vernon Forrest, Joachim Alcine, Serhiy Dzinziruk

Welterweight 2007
Paul Williams
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That list is a sick attempt to mask the legit

[whoelsebutjames]

That list is a sick attempt to mask the legit

Sick you say :smileysex this list is simply a list of the top guys at Floyd weightclasses at the time that he was in it that he didn't face. This list is facts.

You guys take things out of context with all these Floyd could of fought lists as proof of ducks . Regardless, of what weightclass he was in at the time. Why don't you guys throw in Lennox Lewis too.


#mythbusters


Meanwhile, people say this is an ATG.

[maracho]

Sick you say :smileysex this list is simply a list of the top guys at Floyd weightclasses at the time that he was in it that he didn't face. This list is facts.

You guys take things out of context with all these Floyd could of fought lists as proof of ducks . Regardless, of what weightclass he was in at the time. Why don't you guys throw in Lennox Lewis too.


#mythbusters


Meanwhile, people say this is an ATG.

You were trying to throw in a few bad apples to lower the legitimacy of our lists.

And that video is not sparing. That's Grebs coach working an unorthodox swarming style which was complimented by Grebs relentless endurance and speed, hence called the Windmill and woulda been a nightmare for your Floyd

[maracho]

Floyd fought bums at featherweight before he fought for a title. Floyd didn't go for a title until 1998 at super feather-- this is true but out of context.

Morales turned pro in 93. They both took about two years to fight for a title which is common at that time. Barrera took damn near 3.

Morales got his first super featherweight title from Chavez , Floyds leftovers(2001), in 2004. Morales then fought Carlos Hernandez who floyd beat with one hand. And then continued his wars with Barrera which started at bantam.

You guys love to get all aggressive while taking **** out of context. Make your point but don't act like it's the last point that could ever be made.

Them Russians sure don't like to full around and wait for titles.

Anyway Floyd probably avoided Morales who frustrated the heck out of him up at Big Bear

[whoelsebutjames]

You were trying to throw in a few bad apples to lower the legitimacy of our lists.

And that video is not sparing. That's Grebs coach working an unorthodox swarming style which was complimented by Grebs relentless endurance and speed, hence called the Windmill and woulda been a nightmare for your Floyd

We've never seen Harry "the Pittsburgh windmill "Greb fight. You have no idea what he fought like since there's no footage. Secondly, that style is pretty consistent with a lot of the fight footage from those era. That style wouldn't be a problem for anybody-- and he woundn't be challenging no heavyweights of the modern era with that style.


Old school fighter endured hardships and were tough as nails. They were willing to fight it out to the end-- that is undeniable. But ring technicians they were not. They didn't block they just swung, grab, pivot, swung.


Henry Armstrong



Rocky Marciano vs Ezzard Charles.


Anyway....

This a serious list, I didn't add Clottey because he's a non-factor. The intent was to list the weightclasses he was in and fighters he didn't face. Hatton is there because someone said he should of fought him earlier. People add all kinds of names to the pot without considering when they were in that weight class.

I challenge you to add names to the list consistent with the years and weightclasses Floyd was in.

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Super featherweight -2001

Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor, Robert Garcia, Steve Forbes, Jong Kwon Baek, Takanori Hatakeyama, Lavka Sim and Jorge Barrios.

Lightweight 2002-2003

Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Stevie Johnston, Artur Grigorian, Raul Balbi, Juan Lazcano and Javier Jauregui

Light Welterweight 2004-2005

Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, Vivian Harris, Carlos Maussa, and Junior Witter

Welterweight 2006

Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron and Luis Collazo

Light Middleweight 2007

Cory Spinks, Vernon Forrest, Joachim Alcine, Serhiy Dzinziruk

Welterweight 2007
Paul Williams
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[whoelsebutjames]

Them Russians sure don't like to full around and wait for titles.

Anyway Floyd probably avoided Morales who frustrated the heck out of him up at Big Bear

Are we talking bout the modern Eastern Europeans?

Because they sure like to fool around before they turn pro.

[Elroy The Great]

im trying to find a correct listing of grebs resume. boxrec and wiki have it as 107-8(2)-3;48. thing is boxrec has guys who beat him at 17 (im not about to count all the win and draws) but arent counted (?).

from what i see, he runs a long winning streak until he faces a guy with talent. then he either loses or draws. then goes on another huge winning streak.

in one year alone, hes said to have ''fought'' 46 times !!! and people praise this (blindly, of course) ?!?!? its clear evidence that the ''bread and water'' era was polluted with saps fighting just to pay off the bar tab.

why cant ''fight fans'' be honest with their praise/criticisms
a bum is a bum regardless of the era. and yes, ''BUMS'' DO EXIST IN BOXING.

hes a compiler, just like the ol mongoose

[maracho]

We've never seen Harry "the Pittsburgh windmill "Greb fight. You have no idea what he fought like since there's no footage. Secondly, that style is pretty consistent with a lot of the fight footage from those era. That style wouldn't be a problem for anybody-- and he woundn't be challenging no heavyweights of the modern era with that style.


Old school fighter endured hardships and were tough as nails. They were willing to fight it out to the end-- that is undeniable. But ring technicians they were not. They didn't block they just swung, grab, pivot, swung.

So you cant understand a boxer's style by reading about it?...lol

There were all kinds of styles back in the day and many of them were technical including by Gene Tunney who went through hell with Greb's windmill style and the Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, etc.. who all lost to the windmill style of Marciano.

Come to think of it, Maidana had most of his success against Mayweather when he used a windmill style.

[whoelsebutjames]

So you cant understand a boxer's style by reading about it?...lol

There were all kinds of styles back in the day and many of them were technical including by Gene Tunney who went through hell with Greb's windmill style and the Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, etc.. who all lost to the windmill style of Marciano.

Come to think of it, Maidana had most of his success against Mayweather when he used a windmill style.

No you can't. If all the future had of Roy jones was articles all they would know is that he was superhuman fast, bouncy and fought like a chicken.

How many different images does that bring to mind ?Reading other people's opinions is not the same seeing it for yourself.

Yet and still there was a war going on in Jones divisions(10 ducks) and he acted like he didn't even hear the gun fire. These guys were having careers going tooth and nail and felt no need to call these guys out. Imo he would beat most of them but that's imo not facts.

Just like I named Floyds actual competition in his actual weightclasses and nobody looks at that list and sees a real Floyd beater either.

Maidanna

And I hope we're talking about Maidanna vs Mayweather II. Because Floyd fought a better fight in Maidana I. He gave us an entertaining fight by standing in the pocket something he hadn't done since Corley. But the haters wanted to give Maidanna a descion for punching elbows and whole lot of uneffectice aggression. In the rematch we got a terrible fight which anybody with a brain knew that's how it would end if he fought like that's. Thanks.

Floyd stood in front of Cotto and Guerrero too but not in the pocket like that fight. He didn't move with Robert until the last two rounds when the fight was in the bag. If people hadn't been so intent on stealing victories for his opponents- we would of seen more entertaining fights. All of your over critiscms forced him to be more cautious.

I'm waiting for somebody to bring up Leonard. Leonard was a marathon runner in the ring. Floyd looks truly flat footed compared to Leonard and that's facts. I'm convinced that only a small minority's here have even watched some of the old footage of the past fighters they swear loyalty too.

The old boxrec forums had a lot of this but at least most of them covered their bias with data and analyzation. Not the casual fan mania that goes on around here. Boxingscene is basically a pugilistic TMZ.


Please identify for me the windmill style your talking about.

Marciano vs Louis




Personally, I'm more impressed with Dempseys weaving slugger style. Highly skilled compared to the majority of the **** I seen from other fighters of this era. Yet, he still was out pointed by Tunney who was a basic boxer at best.

Dempsey vs Tunney 1

Tunney 2 was moved out of Chicago because Capone wanted to fix the fight. Tunney 2 is the long count if I'm not mistaken.

[whoelsebutjames]

im trying to find a correct listing of grebs resume. boxrec and wiki have it as 107-8(2)-3;48. thing is boxrec has guys who beat him at 17 (im not about to count all the win and draws) but arent counted (?).

from what i see, he runs a long winning streak until he faces a guy with talent. then he either loses or draws. then goes on another huge winning streak.

in one year alone, hes said to have ''fought'' 46 times !!! and people praise this (blindly, of course) ?!?!? its clear evidence that the ''bread and water'' era was polluted with saps fighting just to pay off the bar tab.

why cant ''fight fans'' be honest with their praise/criticisms
a bum is a bum regardless of the era. and yes, ''BUMS'' DO EXIST IN BOXING.

hes a compiler, just like the ol mongoose

Lmao .... I knew people would start talking this ATG crap, I was waiting to break out the footage.

I blame be boxing historians for not giving a realistic picture. These old guys were super tough. But 46 quality opponents in one year is nonsense. There were prob less than 46 full time boxers in the whole world then. I maybe exaggerating but still. Plus al these 15 round fights of guys throwing constant haymakers and nobody gets knocked out in half of them??

Next they're going to go back to counting bare knuckle boxers. Floyd ain't great cuz he used gloves lmao