The Mayweather handpicking myth is a lie

[maracho]

I've already answered a lot of things you posted here in the thread already and shut your arguments down several times, but what the hell let's do it one more time! Floyd started his boxing career at 106 (when he was an amatuer) and went up basically 50lbs which is more than anyone else I can think of. The only ATG fighter who went up a similar amount of weight is Sugar Ray Robinson who went up 40lbs and his era was more than 60 years ago. He started his pro career at 125 and went up 30lbs but let's be real he basically capped out at 147 and only fought at 154 to make big fights for the fans like Cotto, Canelo, DLH etc. Nobody's gone up more weight divisions than that and beat top guys. I guess you could say Pacquiao, but he never fought at 154 and unlike him Floyd never got beat and also beat the best guys in every division. You never saw him cherry pick people who were coming off losses. He fought guys coming off big wins in which they looked great. DLH, Hatton, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and Maidana were all coming off some of the best or the best performances of their careers while Pacquaio did the opposite.

Barrera had only just moved up from 122 when Floyd was at Lightweight you douchebag, the same thing with Morales. You seriously think these guys would've beat him, when they were way smaller and Morales lost every round to Zahir Raheem of all people? Mayweather called out Freitas several times and the same with Casamayor. Look what he did to Corrales, then AFTER that he goes on and beats Casamayor AND Freitas. Go figure. Neither of those guys wanted to fight Floyd. He called out Cotto who said himself that he wasn't ready. Lara? LOL!

So he should've fought no-name barely top 5 Margarito instead of fighting the #1 ranked WW in the world who hadn't lost in almost 10 years? Just stop it. Tszyu? He would've got the fight but Hatton beat him so Hatton got the fight instead. Bradley? Seriously? The guy who barely beat Ruslan Provodnikov, couldn't crack an egg and needed a gift decision to beat a 40 year old JMM? Really? You're clutching at straws and trying to say the man ducked people who were two weight classes bigger than him. Of all the guys you named who he didn't fight nobody was calling for those fights at the time. It's easy to bring up guys people didn't fight, you can do that for ANYONE, but it goes without saying that if he fought those guys instead of the guys he fought you'd be criticizing him even more. Bottom line Floyd beat the best guys in every division he fought in & also beat the lineal champ in all of these divisions as well. There's no one else in history who has done that, in all of boxing history.


I'm done with you now. That's enough ownage for one thread.

Lol.. I bet even Klitschko only weighed 106 lbs at age 7, which is age Floyd started boxing

You knock all those fighters Floyd didnt fight but they were still much better than those he faught at those perspective weightclasses .

I didn't say lightweight, I said junior lightweight, which is super featherweight silly and while Floyd was fighting multiple no name feathers for years, Barrera and Morales were already big name featherweight champions for years

[whoelsebutjames]

Lmao. Yes he did

Sharmba ******

Judah came off a loss and still knocked floyd down .

Baldomir was very overated and slow , his claim to fame was beating an overated zab judah.

Oscar was a part time has been .

Hatton was a small fighter moving up and arguably lost to collazo going into the floyd fight.

Mosley was old and was coming off a 15 month layoff after beating a great style matchup for himself in margarito

Cotto was solid , but he wasnt at his gest after getting pounded by margarito. He was a shell of himself and has cherry picked ever since he was knovked out by margo

Ghost gurrreo ****** azz . Very overated , especially at 147

Ortiz was always known as a head case quitter.

Canelo was green and was coming off beat josesito lopez and alfonzo gomez at 154 (two 140 fighters brought up, Then wins a controversial fight with trout in texas)

He missed margarito, vargas, trinidad ,paul williams, vernon forrest ,winky wright , erislandry lara , and a prime pacman just to name a few.

Berto was a waste and so was a very very green connor who he carried . His last three fights were gimme wins . Instead of fighting andrade or charlo .

We were having a respectful and serious conversation until you reared your head.

Your list lacks context, like year and weightclass. Youre just naming names. You don't know ****. Better lists have been made. Shut up. Winky has been in Jr middle since at least 2000. Vernon forest was a Jr Middle in 2002, why didn't he face Winky. Floyd agreed to fight Marg but not to his required contract extension. And PAC was afraid of needles. Now youre fully caught up on the conversation.

Here's a realistic list of top guys in his weight classes -- you can go head and pick out who would have beat Floyd. Or how his resume would of been so much stronger.

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Super featherweight -2001

Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor, Robert Garcia, Steve Forbes, Jong Kwon Baek, Takanori Hatakeyama, Lavka Sim and Jorge Barrios.

Lightweight 2002-2003

Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Stevie Johnston, Artur Grigorian, Raul Balbi, Juan Lazcano and Javier Jauregui

Light Welterweight 2004-2005

Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, Vivian Harris, Carlos Maussa, and Junior Witter

Welterweight 2006

Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron and Luis Collazo

Light Middleweight 2007

Cory Spinks, Vernon Forrest, Joachim Alcine, Serhiy Dzinziruk

Welterweight 2007
Paul Williams
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[whoelsebutjames]

Lol.. I bet even Klitschko only weighed 106 lbs at age 7, which is age Floyd started boxing

You knock all those fighters Floyd didnt fight but they were still much better than those he faught at those perspective weightclasses .

I didn't say lightweight, I said junior lightweight, which is super featherweight silly and while Floyd was fighting multiple no name feathers for years, Barrera and Morales were already big name featherweight champions for years

Floyd fought bums at featherweight before he fought for a title. Floyd didn't go for a title until 1998 at super feather-- this is true but out of context.

Morales turned pro in 93. They both took about two years to fight for a title which is common at that time. Barrera took damn near 3.

Morales got his first super featherweight title from Chavez , Floyds leftovers(2001), in 2004. Morales then fought Carlos Hernandez who floyd beat with one hand. And then continued his wars with Barrera which started at bantam.

You guys love to get all aggressive while taking **** out of context. Make your point but don't act like it's the last point that could ever be made.

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=slipcatchroll;18009709]'If you can't define what constitutes a great fighter in his prime is then the whole argument is nonsensical anyway'

It's true 'all fighters make adjustments in the ring' but the degree to which this is utilized constitutes how a fighter is judged, alongside power, offensive/defensive tools etc. But, make no mistake, some qualities should be revered above others simply because they're more important. When comparing Oscar to Froch all of those traits need to be taken into consideration as the rest of the argument then devolves into judging a 'win's win's win and forever recurring like that'. It's right here in this thread where we can end the cycle.

Ultimately. Judging the fighter on how close he was to his physical and psychological prime is all we can do. The reason I use Oscar is because not only did he possess all of those traits but the man could adjust his tactics and outbox his opponents well (Mosley2). If you want to go into depth on how Froch is better then send me gifs or show/tell me videos which back your claim.

You say I'm missing the point but fail to give me the characteristics that Ward shows which Floyd lacks.[/QUOTE]

Ward has beat excellent fighters in their prime, he has outclassed, shown exceptional dominance against opposition prime for prime. Before Ward beat Chad Dawson he was considered by many pound for pound the best, Kovalev likewise is considered one of the strongest fighters presently. Froch also is considered by some to have been outstanding. We don't yet know how Kovalev will play out. He may become a great fighter who Ward beat at his prime...that is to be determined.

The point about Floyd, by contrast is that he never beat an all time great fighter, a fellow competitor considered at his level, in their prime. If you look at a list of ATG fighters you would find that this is an important consideration: For example, many think Vitalie is better than Vlad but never fought the competition to prove it. Joe Calzighe likewise is often denigrated because of the same reason. Its a knock on Floyd...

[billeau2]

Exaxtly, this has been my whole point the entire thread. People are explaining away Floyds accomplishments. So you inadvetently agree with the logical structure of my argument, go figure. Nuff said.

There is a difference between categorically making a statement that applies equally to all fighters and deconstructing every fighter's wins and losses. I think you understand that Saying that a one legged man is in for a rough ride in an azz kicking contest...it probably applies to all contestants in said contest. Saying that Prime is relative, that certain fighters were not at their best because of this and that...etc. There is a big difference.

So while we may agree about nit picking, namely that eventually nobody really ever beats anyone taken to its logical conclusion...we may have our differences regarding the importance of certain criteria.

[whoelsebutjames]

There is a difference between categorically making a statement that applies equally to all fighters and deconstructing every fighter's wins and losses. I think you understand that Saying that a one legged man is in for a rough ride in an azz kicking contest...it probably applies to all contestants in said contest. Saying that Prime is relative, that certain fighters were not at their best because of this and that...etc. There is a big difference.

So while we may agree about nit picking, namely that eventually nobody really ever beats anyone taken to its logical conclusion...we may have our differences regarding the importance of certain criteria.

Yes, we respectfully have our differences on the subject. Likewise, like it or not, Floyd has PAC, JMM, Dela Hoya, and Cotto. Canelo is a possible-- let's see on that.

Here's a list of top opponents in Mayweathers weightclasses during his reign. Find me an ATG on this list.

Super featherweight -2001

Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor, Robert Garcia, Steve Forbes, Jong Kwon Baek, Takanori Hatakeyama, Lavka Sim and Jorge Barrios.

Lightweight 2002-2003

Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Stevie Johnston, Artur Grigorian, Raul Balbi, Juan Lazcano and Javier Jauregui

Light Welterweight 2004-2005

Kostya Tszyu, Vivian Harris, Carlos Maussa, and Junior Witter

Welterweight 2006

Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron and Luis Collazo

Light Middleweight 2007

Cory Spinks, Vernon Forrest, Joachim Alcine, Serhiy Dzinziruk

Welterweight 2007
Paul Williams
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[Dat]

I think Mayweather truly handpicks, he will not fight someone who is at the peak of their career. The last fight with McGregor is really pathetic, McGregor is not even a real boxer and Mayweather should not have been given a 50-0 record after that circus. That should just be treated as an exhibition match and not a properly convened boxing match.

[whoelsebutjames]

I think Mayweather truly handpicks, he will not fight someone who is at the peak of their career. The last fight with McGregor is really pathetic, McGregor is not even a real boxer and Mayweather should not have been given a 50-0 record after that circus. That should just be treated as an exhibition match and not a properly convened boxing match.

I agree it was a circus. But I won't complain since it silenced the MMA crowd for a few days....

By the way you seem like an excellent candidate to take this survey.....

Who is the biggest cry baby in recent history

Sergei "born again" Kovalev

Manny " I thought I won the fight" Pacquiao

Connor "3 rounds" McGreggor

Gennady "I'm a small middleweight" Golovkin

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[travestyny]

How about relatively green Canelo? What happened there? Here we have not 1 but 2 fighters that held belts for that division and Floyd demands a CW after stating that CWs is to drain your opponent!!! Canelo begged for the fight to be at 154 because it drains him. Cotto's quote says that he was asking for 145 from the start!
Canelo said that trying to make weight was the hardest thing that he had to do during his entire training camp!!!!!

More L's coming your way since you ducked my post with a direct quotation from Pacquiao stating that he puts fighters at a disadvantage with the catch-weights.

Here is Canelo saying he would be willing to go down to 150 for Floyd

"It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds," said Canelo to Sal Rodriguez. "De la Hoya said he was going to pursue the Mayweather fight [for me]. We are ready for it. It's what people want, for me to fight someone like [Mayweather]."

[travestyny]

Advantages?
Manny had just moved up to 135 then jumped to 147 while Oscar went from 150 to 147 .... sure wished Floyd would have done that type of "advantage" against someone like Ward!

By the way, this was also idiocy. Manny moved up from 134.5 to 142 to face Zombie De La Hoya who weighed in at 145. You aren't fooling anyone 7lb jump to face a zombie was the best you had?

That's something special to you?

By the way, at 16, both Mayweather and Pac were 106lbs. Only difference is Pac went pro at that time, probably to escape the extreme poverty in the Phils. I heard the parents of amateur boxers pressure them to go pro over there to make some money. I know for sure they pressure the young women to marry old wrinkled white men for money. Seen a lot of that when I was there. ****ing gross.