So is GGG still short work ?

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Floyd had his hands full with Maidana and lots of people thought their first fight was a draw or worse for Mayweather. This middleweight Canelo would beat Floyd and Golovkin would terminate him.

They not fighting at MW and that alone makes a world of difference, and Floyd said he would toe to toe in those few fights and did, and then he boxes and its easy work, there are fights Floyd wanted to please the fans and others he just gets up on his toes and its easy work, he would give GGG a boxing lesson at 154.

What part of 160 dont you understand, the part where Floyd wont be fighting at 160 or the part that Floyd started at 130.

Put GGG in with Ward and see what happens.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Floyd is a much better boxer than Kell, and Kell had early success. Anyway, read my post below your post.

I'm no Floyd nutthugger, just think he could eek out a win against either. Canelo couldn't cut the ring off. Look at the Lara fight. And GGG had a hard time finding Canelo tonight. He would have a lot harder time finding Floyd.

Canelo Alvarez is a natural 160 pond boxer fighting in his natural weight division. What makes you think Floyd Mayweather Jr, a guy who has never even competed at 160 pounds will somehow come and randomly beat, not just any middleweight, but an ATG middleweight in Golovkin, especially if it were to be his first fight in that division? What makes you think that Mayweather would even retain his abilities at 160 pounds that he had in the lower weights? Floyd Mayweather's feats below 160 pounds is mainly irrelevant if the fight is happening at 160 pounds.

Again, skills aren't that big of a factor here. It is size. Floyd Mayweather might be more skilled than Kell Brook (the difference in skill isn't that big by the way), but Kell Brook is the bigger, stronger and more powerful boxer and even he couldn't discourage Golovkin. What makes you think Floyd Mayweather could, especially at 160 pounds?

You're analyzing this the wrong way. Mayweather might be more skilled than GGG. I'm not even arguing about who the more skilled boxer is here. However, being more skilled doesn't always guarantee victory. Especially against a top fighter who is much heavier. Weight is more significant in combat sports than skills. Hence, weight divisions exist and not skills division. So even if Mayweather were to be more skilled than GGG, it is not enough to overcome his lack of size. Likewise, Mayweather might also be more skilled than Adonis Stevenson or Artur Beterbiev, but do you really think he would stand a chance against either of those two in an actual head to head match up?

Floyd Mayweather's best chances will be if the fight happened at 154 pounds or below. At 160 pounds, he has no feats to suggest that he is anywhere near GGG's level.

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Canelo Alvarez is a natural 160 pond boxer fighting in his natural weight division. What makes you think Floyd Mayweather Jr, a guy who has never even competed at 160 pounds will somehow come and randomly beat, not just any middleweight, but an ATG middleweight in Golovkin, especially if it were to be his first fight in that division? What makes you think that Mayweather would even retain his abilities at 160 pounds that he had in the lower weights? Floyd Mayweather's feats below 160 pounds is mainly irrelevant if the fight is happening at 160 pounds.

Again, skills aren't that big of a factor here. It is size. Floyd Mayweather might be more skilled than Kell Brook (the difference in skill isn't that big by the way), but Kell Brook is the bigger, stronger and more powerful boxer and even he couldn't discourage Golovkin. What makes you think Floyd Mayweather could, especially at 160 pounds?

You're analyzing this the wrong way. Mayweather might be more skilled than GGG. I'm not even arguing about who the more skilled boxer is here. However, being more skilled doesn't always guarantee victory. Especially against a top fighter who is much heavier. Weight is more significant in combat sports than skills. Hence, weight divisions exist and not skills division. So even if Mayweather were to be more skilled than GGG, it is not enough to overcome his lack of size. Likewise, Mayweather might also be more skilled than Adonis Stevenson or Artur Beterbiev, but do you really think he would stand a chance against either of those two in an actual head to head match up?

Floyd Mayweather's best chances will be if the fight happened at 154 pounds or below. At 160 pounds, he has no feats to suggest that he is anywhere near GGG's level.

I wanted to stop reading when you called GGG an ATG. I kept on anyway. I said MW is getting sketchy for Floyd. I still feel his speed, defense and chin will carry him to a close decision. It's just my opinion. I think GGG and Canelo put boxing first rather than slug. I think he could outpoint them both. Now if there was a 160 pound guy like Maidana, I would be worried.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I wanted to stop reading when you called GGG an ATG. I kept on anyway. I said MW is getting sketchy for Floyd. I still feel his speed, defense and chin will carry him to a close decision. It's just my opinion. I think GGG and Canelo put boxing first rather than slug. I think he could outpoint them both. Now if there was a 160 pound guy like Maidana, I would be worried.

So GGG isn't an ATG 160 pound boxer despite having some unique / special / unparalleled feats and accomplishments at 160 pounds? Well, try and argue against it if you can. There is no DOUBT that GGG is an ATG at the 160 pound division. His records speak for itself!

You might as well say that Mayweather's speed, defense and chin will carry him to a decision against Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua too, right? You're logic is horrible. You can use the same logic and claim that Wladimir Klitschko found it difficult to land punches on David Haye. Therefore, Mayweather could beat Wladimir Klitschko. Or you could argue that Mayweather is more skilled. Therefore, he could beat Klitschko.

However, all objective knowledgeable individuals know that those things are irrelevant. WEIGHT DIVISIONS EXIST FOR A REASON. SKILL DIVISIONS DON'T EXIST FOR A REASON. Why? Because weight is more significant in combat sports than skills. Mayweather's skill advantages will become irrelevant in the higher weight divisions as a result.

I'll ask you a simple question: If you're so confident that Mayweather could beat not just any middleweight, but the best middleweight in the world today, then why hasn't Mayweather been fighting at the 160 pound division instead of fighting and beating lighter opponents at welterweight / light middleweight? Surely, defeating a top caliber opponent in a higher weight division is more impressive than defeating a top caliber opponent at a lower weight division. Wouldn't you agree?

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So GGG isn't an ATG 160 pound boxer despite having some unique / special / unparalleled feats and accomplishments at 160 pounds? Well, try and argue against it if you can. There is no DOUBT that GGG is an ATG at the 160 pound division. His records speak for itself!

You might as well say that Mayweather's speed, defense and chin will carry him to a decision against Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua too, right? You're logic is horrible. You can use the same logic and claim that Wladimir Klitschko found it difficult to land punches on David Haye. Therefore, Mayweather could beat Wladimir Klitschko. Or you could argue that Mayweather is more skilled. Therefore, he could beat Klitschko.

However, all objective knowledgeable individuals know that those things are irrelevant. WEIGHT DIVISIONS EXIST FOR A REASON. SKILL DIVISIONS DON'T EXIST FOR A REASON. Why? Because weight is more significant in combat sports than skills. Mayweather's skill advantages will become irrelevant in the higher weight divisions as a result.

I'll ask you a simple question: If you're so confident that Mayweather could beat not just any middleweight, but the best middleweight in the world today, then why hasn't Mayweather been fighting at the 160 pound division instead of fighting and beating lighter opponents at welterweight / light middleweight? Surely, defeating a top caliber opponent in a higher weight division is more impressive than defeating a top caliber opponent at a lower weight division. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm not talking about Floyd fighting HW's. Just stop. It's one more weight class up for the multi division champ, and I said it would be sketchy.

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So GGG isn't an ATG 160 pound boxer despite having some unique / special / unparalleled feats and accomplishments at 160 pounds? Well, try and argue against it if you can. There is no DOUBT that GGG is an ATG at the 160 pound division. His records speak for itself!

You might as well say that Mayweather's speed, defense and chin will carry him to a decision against Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua too, right? You're logic is horrible. You can use the same logic and claim that Wladimir Klitschko found it difficult to land punches on David Haye. Therefore, Mayweather could beat Wladimir Klitschko. Or you could argue that Mayweather is more skilled. Therefore, he could beat Klitschko.

However, all objective knowledgeable individuals know that those things are irrelevant. WEIGHT DIVISIONS EXIST FOR A REASON. SKILL DIVISIONS DON'T EXIST FOR A REASON. Why? Because weight is more significant in combat sports than skills. Mayweather's skill advantages will become irrelevant in the higher weight divisions as a result.

I'll ask you a simple question: If you're so confident that Mayweather could beat not just any middleweight, but the best middleweight in the world today, then why hasn't Mayweather been fighting at the 160 pound division instead of fighting and beating lighter opponents at welterweight / light middleweight? Surely, defeating a top caliber opponent in a higher weight division is more impressive than defeating a top caliber opponent at a lower weight division. Wouldn't you agree?

No GGG is not a ATG MW, Canelo is his best opponent and he is naturally smaller and the next best is a WW then Jacobs the rest are contenders, the MW division is very week historically and that allowed a win streak like he has got , the great fully fledged MWs in history murk him.

You talk Mayweather at 160 after moving 5 divisions and a 20yr career at 41 yrs old but GGG cant go to Ward to be great , bit of a double standard dont you think, Floyds resume makes GGGs look like Butterbeans no comparison.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I'm not talking about Floyd fighting HW's. Just stop. It's one more weight class up for the multi division champ, and I said it would be sketchy.

It's not just one more division though. Keep in mind that this is a guy who started his career at 130 pounds. So it's a HUUUGE stretch to think that he could beat GGG at 160 pounds (the best 160 pound boxer).

You could use the same logic and claim that Andre Ward can move up and beat Wladimir Klitschko because it's only 2 divisions higher than his own weight division. However, reality is that those 2 divisions are still a huge stretch.

I agree that Mayweather would most likely beat GGG below 160 pounds (part of will also be due to GGG being drained as much as it to do with Mayweather's skills). However, at 160 pounds or above, I don't see Mayweather beating any top level boxer. Hence the reason why Mayweather never fought at 160 pounds or above. His limit appeared to be 154 pounds.

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It's not just one more division though. Keep in mind that this is a guy who started his career at 130 pounds. So it's a HUUUGE stretch to think that he could beat GGG at 160 pounds (the best 160 pound boxer).

You could use the same logic and claim that Andre Ward can move up and beat Wladimir Klitschko because it's only 2 divisions higher than his own weight division. However, reality is that those 2 divisions are still a huge stretch.

I agree that Mayweather would most likely beat GGG below 160 pounds (part of will also be due to GGG being drained as much as it to do with Mayweather's skills). However, at 160 pounds or above, I don't see Mayweather beating any top level boxer. Hence the reason why Mayweather never fought at 160 pounds or above. His limit appeared to be 154 pounds.

That very well may be. My major knock against Floyd is he didn't push himself far enough. My favorite fighter is Duran.

[Mr Objecitivity]

No GGG is not a ATG MW, Canelo is his best opponent and he is naturally smaller and the next best is a WW then Jacobs the rest are contenders, the MW division is very week historically and that allowed a win streak like he has got , the great fully fledged MWs in history murk him.

You talk Mayweather at 160 after moving 5 divisions and a 20yr career at 41 yrs old but GGG cant go to Ward to be great , bit of a double standard dont you think, Floyds resume makes GGGs look like Butterbeans no comparison.

ANY boxer who is the best in their own era in their own weight division is an ATG. Thus, Golovkin is an ATG 160 pound boxer due to being the best and number 1 middleweight for the last decade.

Weak era and strong era are totally subjective. There is no sure way to verify how weak or strong an era is. The only thing that matters the most is the actual record and Golovkin has the record to be cemented as the number 1 middleweight of the modern era.

I personally don't think Canelo was GGG's best opponent from a pure boxing perspective (might be from a financial, business and hype perspective). I think Jacobs was the more significant and greater win for GGG (because he was the number 2 middleweight in the world). Also, Canelo Alvarez isn't smaller than GGG. Both are roughly the same in weight. It's just that Canelo has chose to fight in a lower weight division whilst weighing as much (and sometimes more) on fight night compared to GGG in his fight night weights.

I'm not comparing GGG's resume to Floyd Mayweather's. I'm claiming that Mayweather, specifically at 160 pounds isn't as accomplished as GGG is. His achievements in lower weight divisions are irrelevant.

A boxer doesn't have to move up and down in weight to be a great in a single weight division.

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ANY boxer who is the best in their own era in their own weight division is an ATG. Thus, Golovkin is an ATG 160 pound boxer due to being the best and number 1 middleweight for the last decade.

Weak era and strong era are totally subjective. There is no sure way to verify how weak or strong an era is. The only thing that matters the most is the actual record and Golovkin has the record to be cemented as the number 1 middleweight of the modern era.

I personally don't think Canelo was GGG's best opponent from a pure boxing perspective (might be from a financial, business and hype perspective). I think Jacobs was the more significant and greater win for GGG (because he was the number 2 middleweight in the world). Also, Canelo Alvarez isn't smaller than GGG. Both are roughly the same in weight. It's just that Canelo has chose to fight in a lower weight division whilst weighing as much (and sometimes more) on fight night compared to GGG in his fight night weights.

I'm not comparing GGG's resume to Floyd Mayweather's. I'm claiming that Mayweather, specifically at 160 pounds isn't as accomplished as GGG is. His achievements in lower weight divisions are irrelevant.

A boxer doesn't have to move up and down in weight to be a great in a single weight division.

No way he is ATG, its not just being best of a poor bunch, its who you beat. GGG hasnt beaten anybody to be talking ATG and he hasnt set foot out of his division, go and beat Ward then he can say he done something.