Just For The Record, MMA Fan...

[VoodooChild]

Depends on the circumstances. If Floyd was just jabbing for four rounds and then got submitted, no. I think that makes him look basic. But if Floyd was piecing McGregor with power strikes up all night long and then got caught with a takedown and tapped, I'd say it's win for Floyd.

See I look at the overall performance, not the outcome. In terms of overall performance, McGregor looked every bit the amateur, and Mayweather looked every bit 40. Given they both looked like what we expected them to look like, I simply didn't find McGregor's performance all that impressive.

That he didn't get stopped early? That was obvious, just due to the side difference.

That he was pivoting? Unexpected, but if you haven't got the power to do anything with it, who cares?

His jab? I'm a fan of the jab, but when your opponent is walking through the jab, it's not effective and thus you look silly. Posturing.


I saw a Floyd who ultimately tested Conor's power, felt it, shrugged it off, then took inspiration from Jeff "The Hornet" Horn and just bullied Conor for the rest of the 8 rounds to a stoppage.

But that doesn't change the reality.

This "dangerous" 29-year-old guy called Conor McGregor that everyone thought was a knockout artist, just got walked down and brutally stopped by an inactive, brittle-handed, shorter, lighter, 40 year old welterweight with 8oz gloves.

Mayweather is the greatest boxer of our generation, he was fighting a guy who has never stepped foot in a boxing ring and wasn't even fit to lace his boots up. Even at 40 he should have lit him up like a torch and embarrassed him every round. If Mayweather made it to the fourth in the Octagon while winning a round it would be an embarrassment for Conor and the UFC.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Mayweather is the greatest boxer of our generation

What you're missing is that the generation you speak of largely ended in 2012 and you know it. Both for Manny and Floyd.

he was fighting a guy who has never stepped foot in a boxing ring and wasn't even fit to lace his boots up. Even at 40 he should have lit him up like a torch and embarrassed him every round.

As Floyd himself told you, he was fighting a guy nearly 10 years younger, more active, stronger, bigger, who had never been beaten standing up. Everything on paper favored Conor except experience.

We're not talking a guy who had never fought at all. That's what you're missing.

If Mayweather made it to the fourth in the Octagon while winning a round it would be an embarrassment for Conor and the UFC.

No it wouldn't, because we all know that Floyd is extremely elusive. If he stayed away from Conor's takedown and leg attacks he could easily win one round. But if he only won one and got dominated the rest, that's a win for UFC.

The only outcome resulting in a loss for UFC is a Floyd victory, period. Same as any boxer.

[davef]

Funny how Floyd fans have turned into GGG fans. "He let him hit him because he wasn't afraid of his power and he couldn't hurt him." Hilarious.

you are missing a crucial point and thats the fact floyd can fight that way but ALSO fight other ways and adapts yet golovkin can only fight one style and once he faced a guy who could take his power and pressure he wasnt the invincible killing machine his fans make him out to be


floyd over his career at the lighter weights was an offensive machine lighting ppl up and changed with experience and moving up in weight classes again something golovkin hasnt done

[koolkc107]

B!tch, be humble.


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MMA fans knew it too, but we also knew Conor would show better than the myopic Boxing fan thought. "Zero percent chance"... "Won't even land one punch"... yap, yap yap...

I did not expect Floyd to walk right in and pay so much less attention to defense as he did.

I fully believe Floyd could have made it a boring fight, won 12 of 12 rounds, and had Conor's connect percentage in single digits.

But, he chose to actually keep a promise to the fans, resulting in Conor landing more than some elite guys Floyd has faced.

The truth is either way, his prospects were nothing better than a puncher's chance and Floyd took even that away early.

[VoodooChild]

What you're missing is that the generation you speak of largely ended in 2012 and you know it. Both for Manny and Floyd.

Of course I do and if they were fighting the creme of the crop in boxing like Spence, GGG or even Crawford they would not be favored anymore. When fighting someone who's never boxed before that's a completely different story. They should run through any boxing neophyte.

As Floyd himself told you, he was fighting a guy nearly 10 years younger, more active, stronger, bigger, who had never been beaten standing up. Everything on paper favored Conor except experience.

We're not talking a guy who had never fought at all. That's what you're missing.

When did I say that he's never fought, he's never BOXED professionally before. What Conor does in the UFC is very different, it's open, all ranges and not specialized like boxing. Conor was an amateur when it came to BOXING, did you see those hammer fists he was throwing LOL

No it wouldn't, because we all know that Floyd is extremely elusive. If he stayed away from Conor's takedown and leg attacks he could easily win one round. But if he only won one and got dominated the rest, that's a win for UFC.

The only outcome resulting in a loss for UFC is a Floyd victory, period. Same as any boxer.

Floyd stands in front of you in his shell and is almost untouchable... with punches in a BOXING match. If he stood in front of McG in the Octagon his leg would be blasted or his ass would be planted through the mat and he'd be tapping in seconds.

A huge difference in the two sports is the range, jabs are a lot less effective because fighters stand further apart because of kicks. If Floyd could overcome the range and overcome the grappling with just boxing footwork and punching that would be completely embarrassing to the UFC. If he won a round through points and made it to the 4th round that would be humiliating for McG and the UFC.

[koolkc107]

Of course I do and if they were fighting the creme of the crop in boxing like Spence, GGG or even Crawford they would not be favored anymore. When fighting someone who's never boxed before that's a completely different story. They should run through any boxing neophyte.



When did I say that he's never fought, he's never BOXED professionally before. What Conor does in the UFC is very different, it's open, all ranges and not specialized like boxing. Conor was an amateur when it came to BOXING, did you see those hammer fists he was throwing LOL



Floyd stands in front of you in his shell and is almost untouchable... with punches in a BOXING match. If he stood in front of McG in the Octagon his leg would be blasted or his ass would be planted through the mat and he'd be tapping in seconds.

A huge difference in the two sports is the range, jabs are a lot less effective because fighters stand further apart because of kicks. If Floyd could overcome the range and overcome the grappling with just boxing footwork and punching that would be completely embarrassing to the UFC. If he won a round through points and made it to the 4th round that would be humiliating for McG and the UFC.

Bottom line is this:

If you told MMA fans that you were from the future and knew that Floyd wouldn't worry much about defense and walk forward all round every round, there would have been even more than the record amount bet on McGregor in Vegas.

I don't want to hear any MMA excuses unless they begin with "a 40 year old guy just walked down the face of our sport"

Til then, MMA fans this one is for you...

[VoodooChild]

Bottom line is this:

If you told MMA fans that you were from the future and knew that Floyd wouldn't worry much about defense and walk forward all round every round, there would have been even more than the record amount bet on McGregor in Vegas.

I don't want to hear any MMA excuses unless they begin with "a 40 year old guy just walked down the face of our sport"

Til then, MMA fans this one is for you...

The thing with Conor is that he gasses really badly, in both Diaz fights he was exploding early on then you could see him almost hit a wall. Not sure whats up with him but when he gassed and his punches started to lose their pop is when Floyd started to move fwd.

[koolkc107]

The thing with Conor is that he gasses really badly, in both Diaz fights he was exploding early on then you could see him almost hit a wall. Not sure whats up with him but when he gassed and his punches started to lose their pop is when Floyd started to move fwd.

I think stamina is definitely an issue when talking about MMA vs Boxing.

I think boxers as a group are much more concerned with developing good cardio and it shows.

But, it is also a lot about how to throw punches and throw them correctly.

I think more boxers do this than MMA fighters...and that needs to change.

Boxing is a martial art.

And given the success of "strikers" in MMA, perhaps it is the discipline more UFC fighters need to pay the most attention to.

[Eff Pandas]

I think stamina is definitely an issue when talking about MMA vs Boxing.

I think boxers as a group are much more concerned with developing good cardio and it shows.

I think its bigger than that in general. Most MMA fights last 15 minutes. Its a faster pace, its a 4 round boxing match basically (minus a minute). Only champions + guys who are in the main event of a show have 5 round fights...and largely those fights don't go 5 rounds so stamina isn't even a thing in MMA really like it is in boxing.

Why would a MMA guy develop stamina that he'll not need unless he becomes a draw that headlines or a champion? He wouldn't. There are much more beneficial things to learn in the gym when the possibilities are endless as to what your next opponent could come at with.

Although speaking on Conor specifically I believe he's just a front runner type fighter like Tyson who's either gonna get you outta there early or struggle.

[koolkc107]

I think its bigger than that in general. Most MMA fights last 15 minutes. Its a faster pace, its a 4 round boxing match basically (minus a minute). Only champions + guys who are in the main event of a show have 5 round fights...and largely those fights don't go 5 rounds so stamina isn't even a thing in MMA really like it is in boxing.

Why would a MMA guy develop stamina that he'll not need unless he becomes a draw that headlines or a champion? He wouldn't. There are much more beneficial things to learn in the gym when the possibilities are endless as to what your next opponent could come at with.

Although speaking on Conor specifically I believe he's just a front runner type fighter like Tyson who's either gonna get you outta there early or struggle.

I would think better stamina is a plus in any athletic endeavor.

More stamina means you can have an even higher workrate which has to be an advantage, even in a shorter fight.

But, stamina is just one issue.

Among others are punching and punch resistance, both of which can be improved by MMA paying more attention to boxing as a martial art.