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  • Smokin'
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    #61
    Originally posted by DLT
    1st off you need to stop talking to me like Im some littile kid. I dont just watch Floyd or guys who are slick. I watch all boxing and know alot about each fighter.

    2nd, you are wrong about Zab. You can say what you want about him but to say he ran from Tszyu and Floyd is ******. Zab has been trying to get a Tszyu fight ever since he lost and a Floyd fight was never even possible until recently because they were best friends and always said that wouldnt fight eachother. Also Spinks is better then you think and you need to give him more credit for that win. Spinks would beat Margartio.

    Let me explain this thing to you again since you seem slow. Zab was universally recognized as the Champ at 147 when he beat Spinks. He was the guy. Floyd wanted to move up and fight the Champ but it was a new weight and he wanted a tuneup because of the weight and because Zab was a slick Southpaw. Whos the perfect opponent for that? Mithcell. He wouldve never even fought Mitchell if Zab wasnt the Champ.

    As far as Taylor goes, I never said Floyd would win. I just say that its not unreasonable when you look at there styles, even with the weight advantage. Its not like Floyd is a brawler. Floyd wont be right in Taylor's face where he could just stand there and get punished. It wouldnt be as easy for Taylor as you think. You have to also remember one thing about the weight. Weight is a huge advantage but were also not talking about a regular guy. We are talking about the #1 fighter in the world, so if anyone could do it then it would be him and he knows the art of not getting hit flush.

    How is Winky small? Dude has been at 154 his whole career and when he went up to 160 he looked bigger then Tito and looks basically like a natural Middleweight. Also that Winky vs Floyd stuff you talking is false. How do you prove anything by saying that Floyd tried to pull a RJ and take more money? I agreed with Floyd. Floyd was coming from 140 to fight the 1st or 2nd pound for pound best fighter in the sport all the way at 154 after Winky just killed Tito at 160 and you think Floyd is going to do that for a 50/50 split? He would be insane to do that. No one in the world would take that risk and Winky is dumb for asking for that price.

    Winky tried to play it off by saying that he is the one taking the risk by fighting a smaller man and has nothing to gain? How does that make sense? If you are fighting a smaller man that you think you would easily beat then you should take less money. If Floyd wanted to fight Tarver right now, do you think Tarver would say "give me 50/50 because Im taking the risk"? How ****** is that. Floyd was the one taking the crazy risk and he was right to want 55-45 or 60-40. Its not like Winky had a big name like Oscar.

    Now if Winky and Floyd win then Winky cant use that excuse because Floyd will be the same weight that Winky has been his whole career and he wouldve just come off 3 big PPV's with Gatti, Zab, and Oscar. He cant say that he deserves 50/50 because of the weight. Would you think he deserves 50/50 then? That fight wont do super huge numbers so I know Floyd definatly wont do it this time for 50/50 after he has more barganing chips and Winky tried to play him last time. After those 2 fights then Winky would need a Floyd fight way more then the other way around. Floyd would have a ton of big money offers out there.
    1st, I'll talk to you however you want. Stop talking out of your Mayweather box and I won't have a problem with you.

    2nd, Judah ran from Mayweather when he moved up to 140. He has been constantly dogging Tsyzu because he knows the fight would never happen. He was such an ass to Tszyu at the press conference - then hell I don't ****in blame Tszyu for not taking a rematch. Besides, Judah would of never beat Tszyu anyways.

    3rd, Mayweather has made brilliant moves throughout his career. Fighting a severly weight-drained Corrales at 130, and the main thing that people talk about...He fought Castillo twice at 135. ONE ****ING THIRTY FIVE. I can't imagine Mayweather facing a touch cookie at 140, 147, but like I said it won't happen. Mayweather would rather fight guys who 'box' with him. The guy's talented but he doesn't like body punches.

    Look, buddy. I know for a fact that Mayweather ducked Winky. I think the offer was something like 65/35 in favour of Mayweather - Winky jumped on the offer for easy money and then Mayweather wanted a 80/20 split. Winky denied because he's getting taken advantage of there. Then, Mayweather claims that Winky ducks him. Heh, what a joke. Winky has fought all over the world, in peoples backyards yet he won't fight itty bitty little 140 pound Mayweather.

    Let me tell you something. Winky is like a 175 lb Middlweight now. It would not be pretty to see Winky pummel Mayweather into submission. Trust me. As for Taylor - Winky. Winky's only 5'8'' and Taylor's a 6'1'' genetic freak who has good fundamentals, good athletic ability but his technique isn't great. He's going to outwork Winky for the decision.

    Mayweather's a good fighter, don't get me wrong. But he's not fighting anyone who has a physical advantage over him. He's been fighting smaller fighters liek himself the past 3 years. He's got the Ray Leonard mentality. He does not like to get punched to the body.

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    • mikefromstu
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      #62
      Originally posted by Smokin'

      I can't imagine Mayweather facing a touch cookie at 140, 147, but like I said it won't happen. Mayweather would rather fight guys who 'box' with him. The guy's talented but he doesn't like body punches.


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      Mayweather's a good fighter, don't get me wrong. But he's not fighting anyone who has a physical advantage over him. He's been fighting smaller fighters liek himself the past 3 years. He's got the Ray Leonard mentality. He does not like to get punched to the body.
      Your right. Gatti is not a body puncher. Hes just a boxer.

      And he is not fighting anyone with phsyical advantages over him because to find someone who has advantages over him you need to look to 160.

      He should fight at 154. 160 would be tough, but this sport is about pushing yourself, don't give the man **** beacuse he callenges himself.

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        #63
        Originally posted by cobracore
        The greats have all done it. Hearns. Duran. Leonard. Langford. Robinson.

        Leonard, especially, is a good case. He went from quite low weights all the way to 160 to fight Hagler. Hagler being a great, possibly #1 middleweight of all time. And it was a very competitive fight. (no arguments about who won, thats not the point, i'll just leave it at competitive).

        Can mayweather emulate this? At 160, could he possible beat Taylor or Wright, Abraham or Sturm?

        Maybe not now, but when he's older. It would be AWESOME to watch.
        Mayby But I dont think it will happen. But to come up from super feather! That would be something else!

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          #64
          Originally posted by Smokin'
          He's 5'8'' on a good day. Most of the fighters today add a couple inches to there actual fight. I personally think he's i nthe 5'6' 5'7'' range especially when I saw him fight itty bitty Sharmba.
          your a itty bitty idiot

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          • Smokin'
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            #65
            Originally posted by mikefromstu
            Your right. Gatti is not a body puncher. Hes just a boxer.

            And he is not fighting anyone with phsyical advantages over him because to find someone who has advantages over him you need to look to 160.

            He should fight at 154. 160 would be tough, but this sport is about pushing yourself, don't give the man **** beacuse he callenges himself.
            Gatti came out boxing against Mayweather. He's also been outclassed 7 times during his career. Hardly a notable win for Mr. Mayweather.

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              #66
              hes not ready...

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              • bdevils
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                #67
                Originally posted by Parody
                Leanard started his career at Light welterweight, 140 lbs and then later on won the welterweight, light middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight and light heavyweight titles.

                hes a 5 division champ
                when did he when a light heavyweight title?

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                • bdevils
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Smokin'
                  1st, I'll talk to you however you want. Stop talking out of your Mayweather box and I won't have a problem with you.

                  2nd, Judah ran from Mayweather when he moved up to 140. He has been constantly dogging Tsyzu because he knows the fight would never happen. He was such an ass to Tszyu at the press conference - then hell I don't ****in blame Tszyu for not taking a rematch. Besides, Judah would of never beat Tszyu anyways.

                  3rd, Mayweather has made brilliant moves throughout his career. Fighting a severly weight-drained Corrales at 130, and the main thing that people talk about...He fought Castillo twice at 135. ONE ****ING THIRTY FIVE. I can't imagine Mayweather facing a touch cookie at 140, 147, but like I said it won't happen. Mayweather would rather fight guys who 'box' with him. The guy's talented but he doesn't like body punches.

                  Look, buddy. I know for a fact that Mayweather ducked Winky. I think the offer was something like 65/35 in favour of Mayweather - Winky jumped on the offer for easy money and then Mayweather wanted a 80/20 split. Winky denied because he's getting taken advantage of there. Then, Mayweather claims that Winky ducks him. Heh, what a joke. Winky has fought all over the world, in peoples backyards yet he won't fight itty bitty little 140 pound Mayweather.

                  Let me tell you something. Winky is like a 175 lb Middlweight now. It would not be pretty to see Winky pummel Mayweather into submission. Trust me. As for Taylor - Winky. Winky's only 5'8'' and Taylor's a 6'1'' genetic freak who has good fundamentals, good athletic ability but his technique isn't great. He's going to outwork Winky for the decision.

                  Mayweather's a good fighter, don't get me wrong. But he's not fighting anyone who has a physical advantage over him. He's been fighting smaller fighters liek himself the past 3 years. He's got the Ray Leonard mentality. He does not like to get punched to the body.
                  your a ****ing *******, what do you mean he only fights people that box with him, he has fought alot of brawlers you idiot. and what the **** do you mean he don't like body shots name one boxer that does.

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                  • mikefromstu
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Smokin'
                    Gatti came out boxing against Mayweather. He's also been outclassed 7 times during his career. Hardly a notable win for Mr. Mayweather.
                    You didn't say "notable win". You said that he never fought anyone who was a body puncher. Gatti has great body punch power.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by bdevils
                      when did he when a light heavyweight title?

                      he fought donny lalonde, one of the weakest "champions" of recent memory, for the wbc light hw belt at 168 so that the winner would be the recognized smw champ too.

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