Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather-McGregor, Mosley, Ward

[aboutfkntime]

There are underdog stories in every sport who win world championships.
Name a sport and I'll give u an underdog who won world championships.
I think u only read half my posts.
Baldomir was the lineal champ. May weather was a far better fighter. Then when the two of them fought, mayweather dominated becoming lineal champ.
Lineage is absolutely relevant in regards to canelo and stevenson.
But I think GGG will beat him and I think ward wud beat stevenson. But until then they are rightful lineal champions. The best in any sport don't always win the title. Surely you're not going to argue that point!!!!

Are u ignoring my response to your third "fact". Address it please.

FACT: if there had been no belts at stake in the Judah fight, you would be a right ***wit to hand Baldomir an imaginary title

just saying, Mr Anomaly

[aboutfkntime]

Laughable!!!!!!!!
What does the man who beat the man become??????!!!!!!!
THE MAN
He beat the best fighter in the division (naz) in his first ****in fight at featherweight. If that doesn't make u the man, I don't know what does?
You say Marquez was the man,
Show me evidence to back up your statement.
I make a case why naz was the man by providing evidence(beating a who's who of featherweight division in late 90's early 2000's). I make a case why Barrera then became the man by providing evidence(beating naz who was the man) I then make a case why pacquiao then becomes the man(beating Barrera who beat naz).
I also provided evidence why Marquez was not the man(his murderers row of featherweights)
So I'd like u to provide me with evidence that Marquez was the man. And saying "he just was" is not evidence.
And please don't post your three alternative facts again. Youve posted them at least five times.
I would like u to post the unedited ring rankings that u posted a while back or at least tell me which website u got it from. But I'd say you'll ignore that last request because u know u were found out.

FACT: Marquez was ranked higher than Barrera

The Ring rankings 2003 - featherweight
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Marco Antonio Barrera

FACT: Pacquiao did not beat Marquez at featherweight

so..... stop handing around world titles like they are jellybeans

you wally

[aboutfkntime]

You're preaching to the converted on catchweights. Can't stand them.
I don't recognize any alphabet titles.
Margarito catch weight was a joke but it was probably pacquiao's toughest fight. He took some serious body shots in that fight.
He was hurt 2 or 3 times.
Cotton should have been allowed to weigh 147. I don't think it would have made much difference. Pacquiao took some serious punishment in that fight too. The reason I don't think its as bad as the Margarito fight is because cotto was only required to weigh in a pound less than he weighed for his previous fight. When the fight was signed I thought cotto would murder him. Lost money on it too.
As far as I'm concerned he didn't win a title in the cotto or margarito fights
He was a lineal champion in four weight divisions. Flyweight,feathereight, junior welterweight, welterweight.
And he was a triple crown champion in three of the original eight weight divisions.
Jaysus I had beaten u about 10 posts ago and u kept on digging!!!

I accept your surrender!!

the catchweight is the most insignificant aspect of that sham

not surprised that a pac cawk-sucker failed to see the point

the issues with that fight are.....

1) RANKINGS..... how the hell did lil 145lb Pac, and that slow plodding welterweight BUM Margarito, possibly get ranked at 154?..... c'mon son, you act like you know the sport

2) SHAM..... Pac admitted BEFORE that fight, that he never intended to defend his JMW title against a real JMW..... they categorically stated that Pac would immediately vacate if he won..... that was a total sham, one that Manny never intended to legitimise

3) VACANT TITLE..... those two WELTERWEIGHTS fought for a vacant title, which was never legitimized

4) MARGARITO..... a disgraceful opponent who had just served a 12 month suspension for glove-loading after being KTFO by old man Mosley..... he should not have been fighting, let alone at 154, let alone for a title

4) GLOVES..... they used 8oz gloves

5) CATCHWEIGHT..... ewwww


no JMW's were harmed during the course of that fight

one of the fighters could not even beat any of the top welter's, and neither of those fighters could beat any of the top JMW's

#sham
#fakenews
#paperchamp

being a 6-div champ is still ok, Pac is up there with Hoya

[harry-greb]

the post you replied to had NOTHING to do with underdogs

you said lineage categorically proved who was the man

then you flip-flopped and started wanking on about anomalies

Title lineage proves that u beat the man who beat the man......
I pointed out that throughout history there are cases where upsets occur. Eg baldomir. How is that a flip flop???
Not once in any of my posts did I say "lineage categorically proved who was the man".
I said if you win the lineal title and you are not the top dog you will be found out pretty quickly, as baldomir was. C'mon son!!!!

[harry-greb]

FACT: if there had been no belts at stake in the Judah fight, you would be a right ***wit to hand Baldomir an imaginary title

just saying, Mr Anomaly

What are u on about???? Nobody "handed" baldomir anything!! He won the lineal title from zab Judah.

In your eyes sport is science. Athlete A is better skilled, tougher, more intelligent than athlete B. So there is no need for them to compete. And if athlete B causes the upset and beats athlete A for the world championship in whatever sport, it doesn't count because on paper athlete A is the better athlete.
That is essentially what u are saying. Baldomir was not as good as zab Judah on paper. So despite the fact that he beat zab on the night, it doesn't count.
I have no words!!!

[harry-greb]

FACT: Marquez was ranked higher than Barrera

The Ring rankings 2003 - featherweight
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Marco Antonio Barrera

FACT: Pacquiao did not beat Marquez at featherweight

so..... stop handing around world titles like they are jellybeans

you wally

Hahaha, I've seen you've omitted your third "fact". Not even an admission u were wrong.
I want to see in your reply to this post in big bold letters.
I was wrong on my morales " fact".

[harry-greb]

FACT: Marquez was ranked higher than Barrera

The Ring rankings 2003 - featherweight
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Marco Antonio Barrera

FACT: Pacquiao did not beat Marquez at featherweight

so..... stop handing around world titles like they are jellybeans

you wally

I'm about to smoke your first "fact".
The Ring/playboy rankings u are using are for the end of 2003.
They are on boxrec. I'm looking at them as I type. What u have constantly neglected to show is that above Juan Manuel Marquez in the rankings is a certain Emmanuel Pacquiao with a C beside his name. C is for champion. The reason Barrera is below Marquez is because Barrera has been dethroned by pacquiao and ipso facto (its Latin) Marquez becomes no.1 ranked contender for pacquiao's lineal title.

You've constantly called Marquez " the man" in your posts. If u challenge the fact that pacquiao was not lineal champion because "he did not beat Marquez at featherweight" how can u call Marquez "the man" when he did not beat pacquiao at featherweight!!!!!!!

[harry-greb]

the catchweight is the most insignificant aspect of that sham

not surprised that a pac cawk-sucker failed to see the point

the issues with that fight are.....

1) RANKINGS..... how the hell did lil 145lb Pac, and that slow plodding welterweight BUM Margarito, possibly get ranked at 154?..... c'mon son, you act like you know the sport

2) SHAM..... Pac admitted BEFORE that fight, that he never intended to defend his JMW title against a real JMW..... they categorically stated that Pac would immediately vacate if he won..... that was a total sham, one that Manny never intended to legitimise

3) VACANT TITLE..... those two WELTERWEIGHTS fought for a vacant title, which was never legitimized

4) MARGARITO..... a disgraceful opponent who had just served a 12 month suspension for glove-loading after being KTFO by old man Mosley..... he should not have been fighting, let alone at 154, let alone for a title

4) GLOVES..... they used 8oz gloves

5) CATCHWEIGHT..... ewwww


no JMW's were harmed during the course of that fight

one of the fighters could not even beat any of the top welter's, and neither of those fighters could beat any of the top JMW's

#sham
#fakenews
#paperchamp

being a 6-div champ is still ok, Pac is up there with Hoya

When a man is losing a debate he changes the subject. We were debating featherweight. What have cotto and margarito have to do with featherweight???
I'll indulge u anyway

1. Whose rankings??? The alphabet gods that u are a slave to. If u took those wbc jmw rankings seriously then that's on you. Bull**** meaningless rankings

2. Legitimize what?? An alphabet belt. Don't make me laugh. Pacquiao is really a lightweight. Did u want him to get killed fighting real junior middleweights?? It was purely a belt grab against a drained slow margarito who still hurt pacquiao.

3. Ignore the alphabets. They are the cancer of boxing.

4. You'll get no arguments from me. Look at what he did to cotto.

5. Ive already said I despise catch weights but they've been around in some form or other since Jesus was a lad.
Did i just agree with most of your post??? **** me

[aboutfkntime]

Title lineage proves that u beat the man who beat the man......
I pointed out that throughout history there are cases where upsets occur.

which, means nothing

FACT: a lineal champ is a casual-fan attempt to manufacture a real champ

who cares what Barrera did 3 years earlier..... you are attempting to call him the man in 2003, but Marquez was

just like Golovkin is the man, NOT Canelo

just like Ward is the man, NOT Stevenson

stop talking shht, and stop handing around world titles

ranking by lineage is for ignorant casual fans

I pointed out that throughout history there are cases where upsets occur. Eg baldomir. How is that a flip flop???
Not once in any of my posts did I say "lineage categorically proved who was the man".
I said if you win the lineal title and you are not the top dog you will be found out pretty quickly, as baldomir was. C'mon son!!!!

you fkn did so, STOP LYING !!

To use your "who you beat with consideration given to when and how" criteria.

Naseem named cleaned out the featherweight division in the late 90's early 2000's. Beating the likes of Steve Robinson, Manuel Medina, boom boom Johnson, Wayne McCullough, Augie Sanchez and Kevin kelly. He knocked everyone of them out except for McCullough (tough as nails).
Would you agree that he was the best featherweight in the world? Historians and hardcore fans would all be in agreement that he was the best at that time.
Barrera moves up from super bantam and in his first fight at featherweight takes on the best fighter in the division. He was a huge underdog and he schooled hamed while also slamming him into the turnbuckle and asking him and I quote "who's your daddy?" In the 11th round. Does that meet your who when and how criteria? Can we agree that Barrera now becomes the man at feather???
The year after he beats future hall of famer and prime Erik morales in a close fight. He also beat johnny Tapia and Kevin Kelley who had only lost 2 fights each at the time.
In November 2003 in his first fight at featherweight pacquiao completely dismantles Barrera becoming what?
That's right, becoming THE MAN. THE LINEAL CHAMP.

Good luck dis*****g any of that!

and for god's sake stop trying to use Baldomir as an example

Baldomir is a perfect example proving that ranking by lineage is ******ity

[aboutfkntime]

Hahaha, I've seen you've omitted your third "fact". Not even an admission u were wrong.
I want to see in your reply to this post in big bold letters.
I was wrong on my morales " fact".

FACT: it is impossible to award Pacquiao an imaginary "I love you Manny" title because.....

1) he did not win a title from Barrera
2) he did not beat Marquez
3) he did not beat Morales at featherweight in 2001/2002/2003, and Pac lost to Morales when they fought at 130


kid.....

you cannot conveniently forget about Morales in 2001/2002/2003..... but then wank on about Barrera beating Hamed back in 2001