Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather-McGregor, Mosley, Ward

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor, ranking former three division champion Shane Mosley, Lomachnko vs. Rigondeaux, catch-weight bouts in boxing, and more.
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[cally93]

Top notch stuff as usual bread!!

[GMR Evans]

Gmr

On Greb: You're probably right not to rate him, given the lack of film evidence, but that record, wow! Aside from his account at middleweight and light-heavyweight (and many of his most celebrated victories happened when he was one-eyed), his record against heavyweights was exemplary. He beat 40 heavyweights, several of them contenders. He also fought three exhibition bouts with Jack Dempsey when both were in peak condition and both at their peaks (1921). They were more than sparring sessions, and were watched by thousands and covered in the press. From the reports Greb dominated the first two and was told to take it easy on Dempsey in the third. Greb wanted to challenge Dempsey; Jack 'Doc' Kearns and Tex Rickard weren't interested - no doubt because he realised there was a realistic chance of Dempsey losing his title. When Greb fought Tunney he was past his best (blinded in one eye) but gave him a hiding in the first fight, was considered the victim of a dubious decision in the second, and edged the fourth, but was beaten in the third and well beaten in the fifth. Another thing in Greb's favour is that he never drew the colour line (unlike Dempsey - until very late in his career when he finally agreed to fight a way-past-his-best Harry Wills, although the fight never happened) and so many others. From all accounts Greb had remarkable speed, and while aggressive and extremely busy he was also elusive. In addition he was a dirty fighter and one who was seen as impossibly awkward, making his movements hard to time. He also had one helluva chin.

[rrayvez]

Wonder when pac fans will realize that he isn't truly a legitimate 8 division champion. Nevertheless mentioning him as a 10 division champ as the reader posted in the mailbag.

[HarvardBlue]

Dawson giving up his A-side status was a bizarre move. Going in the fight you wouldn't consider Dawson the A-side because HBO focused so much on Ward during the build up.

[ShoulderRoll]

On Greb: You're probably right not to rate him, given the lack of film evidence, but that record, wow! Aside from his account at middleweight and light-heavyweight (and many of his most celebrated victories happened when he was one-eyed), his record against heavyweights was exemplary. He beat 40 heavyweights, several of them contenders. He also fought three exhibition bouts with Jack Dempsey when both were in peak condition and both at their peaks (1921). They were more than sparring sessions, and were watched by thousands and covered in the press. From the reports Greb dominated the first two and was told to take it easy on Dempsey in the third. Greb wanted to challenge Dempsey; Jack 'Doc' Kearns and Tex Rickard weren't interested - no doubt because he realised there was a realistic chance of Dempsey losing his title. When Greb fought Tunney he was past his best (blinded in one eye) but gave him a hiding in the first fight, was considered the victim of a dubious decision in the second, and edged the fourth, but was beaten in the third and well beaten in the fifth. Another thing in Greb's favour is that he never drew the colour line (unlike Dempsey - until very late in his career when he finally agreed to fight a way-past-his-best Harry Wills, although the fight never happened) and so many others. From all accounts Greb had remarkable speed, and while aggressive and extremely busy he was also elusive. In addition he was a dirty fighter and one who was seen as impossibly awkward, making his movements hard to time. He also had one helluva chin.

Great post.

Harry Greb's resume tells me all I need to know about him being a top tier all-time great. I don't need to see actual footage of him to confirm that, although if it exists I would dearly love to watch it.

Wonder when pac fans will realize that he isn't truly a legitimate 8 division champion. Nevertheless mentioning him as a 10 division champ as the reader posted in the mailbag.

Pac being a 10 division champion was one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. He can't be given credit for something he never accomplished.

[peplz]

Wasn't the catch weight in the Mayweather Marquez fight instituted to benefit Marquez who is the smaller man? And wasn't Canelo flexing his biceps while refusing to pose with the Mayweather holding the WBC belt at the weigh in for their fight? Just saying breadman for the first time is a little bit off base with his information.

[boxinghead530]

Wasn't the catch weight in the Mayweather Marquez fight instituted to benefit Marquez who is the smaller man? And wasn't Canelo flexing his biceps while refusing to pose with the Mayweather holding the WBC belt at the weigh in for their fight? Just saying breadman for the first time is a little bit off base with his information.

What catchweight? The fight was contracted to be at 145. Marquez was giving up a lot moving up from 135. So that 145 was made to be an incentive to make the fight happen. The 145 contracted weight only benefited Floyd as Marquez' body was just that of a blown up lightweight.

But the fight was not a catchweight as Floyd did not have the heart and balls to live up to the contracted weight. So he ***d Marquez over at the scales. It was a b1tch move.

[peplz]

What catchweight? The fight was contracted to be at 145. Marquez was giving up a lot moving up from 135. So that 145 was made to be an incentive to make the fight happen. The 145 contracted weight only benefited Floyd as Marquez' body was just that of a blown up lightweight.

But the fight was not a catchweight as Floyd did not have the heart and balls to live up to the contracted weight. So he ***d Marquez over at the scales. It was a b1tch move.

Nothing you just said made any sense. How does shedding more weight benefit Mayweather? The catch weight was specifically to benefit the smaller fighter who was Juan Manuel Marquez. No matter what weird word magic you try to use it doesn't change that fact. What does making weight have to do with heart and balls? Floyd refused to allow himself to be weight drained so that makes him a coward? You need to try again. Mayweather haters have nitpicked that fight for years trying to make it into something more than it was. And Pacquiao had just fought De la Hoya at 147 in his previous fight but in the very next fight demanded a catch weight of 145. And this fight was for Cotto's welterweight title. Canelo and his team are the ones that suggested a catch weight to fight Mayweather. And a lot like Dawson vs Ward I don't think it's something they needed to do. Mayweather was just like "okay I'll take that." And I see what Breadman is saying about Canelo not being able to stand even though the way he characterized it amounts to an exaggeration. What would be more accurate would be to say that Canelo went and sat down right after he came on the stage.

[tokon]

Breadman sure gives a lot of leeway to fighters that use banned PED's like Mosley.