GGGgets crticized for having a bad resume. Why doesnt the same happen to Crawford?

[Raggamuffin]

NO I would say USA is far more OPEN to other fighters from different country coming to the USA and being Successful than any other country. While Americans, every country American fighter go to they get BOOED!

Americans can't go to Kazakstan, Russian, Ukraine and become Superstars. You honestly think the people in those countries would take an American as their own and help build him into a Superstar in their country....*** NO!

Americans deal with more corruption that anybody in the Amateurs which is the real reason for the lack of Medals and why a lot of the American Kids just turn pro as Teenagers instead of deal with the Corruption!

So they cry over what is posted on a Forum is Laughable honestly especially since a lot of these Foreign guys are getting promoted better than most of the Americans in AMERICAN so where is this "RACISM" you Speak?

Oh because some people give Ward and Crawford credit for their work and won't just bump them out the way so that your Beloved Eastern Europeans can be first.

The US vs THEM is in all of us! We're all Racially and Culturally Bias but I think some people have a issue with those who been most dominating in the sport the longest being bias because then it is a bit unfair it is basically a Head Start so yeah people like you don't like it because you're not able to claim who you want to claim as the GREATEST BOXERS EVER!

Crawford gets praised the same way others praise Loma and have him high despite the lack of a Resume. Their Ranks are PROJECTIONS based on their PURE TALENTS and how Writers/Reports THINK they will potentially do when they do get a chance to fight the best finally! Crawford has his critics too just like GGG Does!

Well said. Good post.

[JK1700]

its semantics, spence said he could ko him and outbox him, by saying that he obviously thinks hes capable of beating him or he wouldnt have made the statement, so lets see if he can. ward said he wants the joshua fight so lets see if hes true to his word. if gggs getting criticised for his statement then the other two should too.

You're still missing the point mate, Andre Ward said he would "be open" to fighting Joshua, Spence said "he could" beat guys at Middleweight but neither of those guys said they WOULD and were being ducked and were chasing those fights. GGG and his team said they couldn't get fights and were calling out everyone from 154 to 168, then when two guys pulled his card, he rejected both of them. There's a big difference. Golovkin said he was the most feared person in boxing, and then blatantly ducked Ward. I don't mind him not wanting to move up, but then don't say you will fight anyone and everyone when that's obviously not true.

[TonyGe]

What was racist about what I said? That Golovkin has a racist fan base that root for him to cover up for their insecurities?

weak midget bodies and 3 inch penises..

[KingHippo]

weak midget bodies and 3 inch penises..

What, they don't exist? Did I hurt your feelings?

[TonyGe]

What, they don't exist? Did I hurt your feelings?

No didn't hurt my feelings. LOL..

[Boxing Logic]

Crawford is on the cusp of ATG status at 140. GGG needs to beat Canelo and maybe clean out the division for 2-3 years and he will be there too.

ATG status lol. Beating Postol and Indongo makes you an ATG? Or are you going to argue because four belts fell into his lap without fighting anyone, that the belts are what matter now? Probably after being a fanboy for Floyd all decade saying "belts don't matter anymore." I mean, not to assume you did personally, but Floyd did and a lot of his fans did.

And yes Crawford has moved up 5 pounds more than GGG, but only because he started his career as a weight bully. GGG only walks around 10 to 15 pounds above his fighting weight. Crawford still fights 25 pounds below his normal weight. So even after moving up (5 fricken pounds), Crawford is still fighting at a lower weight, relative to his size, than GGG is. Asking GGG to move to 168 is not like Crawford moving from 135 to 140. Asking GGG to fight at 168 is like asking Crawford to fight at 154. When Crawford fights at 147, then he will finally reach where GGG has already been at.

So just because GGG didn't start his career at an artificially low weight, and beat up on smaller guys, as a promotional trick so he could say he won belts in multiple weight classes, like the ATGs Adrien Broner and Ricky Burns LOL, doesn't mean that by moving to 140, Crawford has done more than GGG. Crawford is a 165 pound dude fighting at 140. GGG is a 175 pound dude fighting at 160. So if GGG moved up to 168, he would be a 175 pound dude fighting at 168. If Crawford fought at 154, he would be a 165 pound dude fighting at 154. So even then, Crawford would have an 11 pound cushion over his fighting weight, while GGG would only have a 7 pound cushion.

So like I said, when Crawford fights at 154, then you can say he's done what GGG hasn't. As I just showed, even 154 would not be as impressive as GGG fighting at 168. Crawford would have to move to 160 to surpass GGG fighting at 168 in terms of weight class difficulty. The fact Crawford is still fighting in a weight class 25 pounds below his normal weight shows he does not deserve the praise you are giving him relative to GGG. And for the record, I do want to see GGG go as high in weight as he can, same with Crawford. I want the best fights. But let's use the same standards to judge fighters, instead of being manipulated by promoters. Crawford starting out at 135 and making one of the easiest weight jumps in boxing, lightweight to junior welterweight, was a gimmick. I don't even know how he made 135. It must be hell even making 140. So let's not act like he is jumping through the weight classes fighting bigger guys. Similar to Mikey Garcia moving up to 135, Crawford is still the bigger guy even at 140, which just shows how unfair he was at 135.

Hell, he's no ATG at 140 yet, but he might have been at 135, regardless of his lack of resumé there! That is one crazy big, fast, powerful 135 pounder. A 165 pound dude fighting at lightweight, hell who could beat him in the history of lightweight? Duran and probably only a handful of other guys. But at 140, no beating Postol and Indongo doesn't make him an ATG or give him an ATG resumé in the division.

[GoldenGloveLove]

Well, the reason why GGG has been hyped by HBO and co early unlike Crawford is because he was a world champ and an olympian medalist in ams, just like how they hyped Korobov, or Taylor, Jirov or now Shakur Stevenson.

Nobody knew nothing about Crawford.

So Golovkin wasn't that "obscure" in the boxing world, at least hardcore.

And some guys are overrating Crawford too, many have him as P4P king.

Crawford said himself "I'm P4P king if I beat IDONGO".

A guy just wrote in this thread Crawford has ATG status at 140.

Each fanbase is doing the same bullsht.

I actually made a point not that the fanbases were doing different things, because that's what fans do with their favorites, but rather that both the casual fanfare and professional praise from major outlets, based on the accomplishments/merit, differs enormously and the one getting so much less will provoke less scrutiny as a result.

Crawford's praise comes from a much smaller group of hardcore fans and major outlets don't house a lot of prominent Crawford fans, the way Golovkin seems to. Not that I've seen anyway. That was where my point was. You can find outliers, but the in-your-face-every-day gushing and comparisons and ducking threads for Golovkin do not even vaguely match Crawford's. So there's going to be less cynic-motivation.

But, to your points, let's look at two things in particular:

Did Golovkin have the same amateur career when he was getting no buzz or HBO hype through his first six years as a pro?

Didn't Crawford show up on HBO against Prescott only six months after Golovkin made his own very first appearance on HBO against Proksa?

If so, that doesn't line up with what you're saying very much. But, again, that's to your points and are only tangentially related to the point I was making.

[Mike D]

I think Terence is a beast and absolutely one of the best fighters in the world

That said he hasn't beaten one truly A level guy in his entire career so far

His best win (arguably) just got stopped by a 12 loss fighter

And Postol definitely ain't no A guy (his other arguable best win)

His resume is barely (if it is at all) better than Golovkin's

[chrisJS]

Both get unnecessary criticism for reasons that aren't entirely related to Boxing. Both have stepped up when it's available and for the most part dominated. Both are superb fighters and really shouldn't have detractors.