Is Ward really P4P #1?

[Diego Rodriguez]

I don't see that personally, GGG arguably lost to Jacobs and Canelo really just shaded his way past a geriatric Cotto, not to mention didn't win a single round against Floyd.

I don't feel a victory for Golovkin elevates any higher than his current sixth I have him occupying.

Golovkin won much more clearly than Ward did the first fight. I'm sorry but I just fundamentally disagree with anyone who says otherwise. Now that said I think Kovalev is a better P4P fighter than Jacobs.

Kovalev IMO is not a better P4P fighter than Golovkin. K is a top fighter but in just P4P terms I think he is a notch below Golovkin. He does not have nearly as much versatility to his game. Of course this is all mythical but a Golovkin who is naturally as big as Kovalev does not lose fight one to Ward IMO.

I don't think everyone judges P4P the same way. How much is it resume and history, how much is it what the guy is doing now vs. what they did, or you think he would do right now vs. others (that's the Loma argument)? There are a lot of factors.

Again I have Ward #1 P4P right now. Some people are blown away with his resume I'm not. I think it is very solid. I don't think any of the guys he beat at 168lbs were elite fighters or even near elite. I think the fact he moved up and proved to be the better fighter over Kovalev is big. I had it 1-1 but definitely thought Ward was the better fighter.

[VG_Addict]

Dawson offered to move down and challenge Ward...dummy

And that was a ****** move on Dawson's part.

[Kigali]

And that was a ****** move on Dawson's part.

Now you can stop saying Ward drained him.

[daggum]

only controversial to ya'll cause ya'll refuse to give the man any credit and instead make excuses..

oh ok so its everyone else who is crazy. not you. round 10 to kovalev in the first fight.....how? clearly impossible but thats not controversial how all 3 judges f-ucked that up? second figth its not controversial when a ref ignores constant low blows and stops the fight after 3 clear low blows? this is why you have no credibility. this is why you have the label of fanboy. no matter what happens we aleady know what you are going to say depending on who is fighting. you are just a caricature. you have no real opinions on boxing. just favorite fighters and what they do determines your opinion. it wasnt dirty if ward does it. it wasnt controverisal if it benefits your guy etc...

[VG_Addict]

Now you can stop saying Ward drained him.

I didn't say Ward drained him. I said Ward fought a drained Dawson.

[Diego Rodriguez]

still trying to spin that one even though it was disproven? he said no so fast because it was a joke. look at the details. ward wanted a 50-50 split even though roc nation subsidizes ward and gives him millions on top of the official purse so in reality ward wanted millions more than ggg who was more popular than him uhhh and he wanted for ggg to delay his wbc mandatory shot and fight him instead next year when the wbc said they were going to order the fight against cotto/canelo. that doesnt sound like ward wanted to fight to me. wanting to fight is hey you are available and im available lets fight now! why dont you ever question ward for not wanting to fight ggg right away? if you want to fight someone you dont offer them a fight next year when you know they are busy wtf is that? also ward already turned down the fight when they were both available so we have our answer to who really wanted to fight and who as playing publicity games.

I don't blame anyone for this fight not happening but some people are invested in perpetuating this myth that Golovkin "ducked" Ward.

[Vlad_]

look at the ones who said no...lol..all GGG ball washers

So when exactly did you see me be a GGG fanboy?

[Larry the boss]

So there was nothing controversial about his last two fights? Ward won them fair and square, huh?

yes............

[Larry the boss]

oh ok so its everyone else who is crazy. not you. round 10 to kovalev in the first fight.....how? clearly impossible but thats not controversial how all 3 judges f-ucked that up? second figth its not controversial when a ref ignores constant low blows and stops the fight after 3 clear low blows? this is why you have no credibility. this is why you have the label of fanboy. no matter what happens we aleady know what you are going to say depending on who is fighting. you are just a caricature. you have no real opinions on boxing. just favorite fighters and what they do determines your opinion. it wasnt dirty if ward does it. it wasnt controverisal if it benefits your guy etc...

i scored the 1st fight round by round and made a thread on it...Ward won..2nd fight he kicked Kovalevs ass..get over it the black guy won

[GhostofDempsey]

I don't even know where to start with this post.

The Ring magazine has zero credibility, hence why anyone genuine boxing fan uses the TBRB rankings.

I scored the Ward Kovalev fight to Ward and the Jacobs vs GGG fight to Jacobs, two completely different fights and in no way comparable, the second fight of Kovalev and Ward had Ward picking up exactly where he left off in the first fight, he had Kovalev figured out and looking for a way out of the ring, the referee picked up on it as did everyone else who has not a biased outlook on the fight.

You've already entered the discussion with a bias, so there is no basis for really debating these fights or the mythical P4P ranking. Curious which P4P ranking source you do feel is valid?

Boxingscene, ring magazine, espn are not a credible source. lil g is wack & nelo is okay but not a P4P top dog. Andre "S.O.G." Ward put a spanking on your boy kovalev, has been unbeaten since he was 14, won titles in multiple divisions & cleaned out the super-six. All that other talk shows your true side. Oh, & lil g ran from Ward! LMAO!

You're an obvious troll, but I'll reply to you once last time. Kovalev isn't my boy, never was, and GGG never ran from Ward. Those are just facts. Only biased fangirls such as yourself buy into that garbage.

I know how to read and i read all your biased ass posts very well...You are full of **** and never gives credit where its due when the tone of the skin isnt right for ya...

It hurts that I make sense and that I have continually proven you wrong. I recently posted a video of Floyd's greatest clinches after you challenged me to find just one instance of him clinching...you got real quiet afterwards.

I don't choose my favorite fighters by the color of their skin like you and many other racist posters on here. But, whenever someone doesn't like one of your favorites they are instantly labeled racists by the SJW posters on here. No surprise there.