Ridiculous things you've heard casuals say

[Joe Beamish]

Most boxing historians list Monzon and Hagler as "great" middleweight champions.

The only "greats" either of them ever beat were welterweights who moved up to 160 -Napoles and Hearns - and neither Monzon nor Hagler ever moved up from 160 themselves.

Yup. I was going to mention something similar myself. Totally agree.

So...as always, fans will disagree (at least in some cases) about who was "great."

I tend to think to be considered truly great, you have to beat great opponents while they are in their prime. And yes, it helps if those opponents are your own size.

[lightningleeroy]

Whilst watching Rocky 1, mother in law chirps up that its a shame boxing isnt like that anymore

Father in law went on to say that sly was also a professional boxer and could have been a champ.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Then why not call all good fighters who fight decent fighters "great"? Let's say, Bradley, Khan, Garcia, Porter, are all great fighters. Would you agree? They all also fought much better competition and won against better fighters than Golovkin did.

Based on the eye test, as you suggested, I think Davis and Spence are the greatest fighters right now, bar none. Would you agree? I think not. They haven't had their stiffest tests yet. Same goes for Golovkin. He hasn't proven anything.

I'm not personally disagreeing with you. We just see it different.

All those guys you listed have lost multiple times but more importantly I never thought they were great. They didn't pass my eye ball test.

I wouldn't have a huge beef saying Spence is "great". But yeah maybe a bit premature since he is 22 fights into his career, one title and 4 1/2 years boxing.

I haven't put Golovkin on the "great" pedestal just yet but again if someone said I think Golovkin is a great fighter, no issue with that from me. If someone said I think Spence is a great fighter no real issue with that either. That doesn't make them a casual. Anyways I think we've made our points.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

Of course they are going to take that into account, just like they'd take the size of someone if he beats up someone much smaller. Doesn't mean they're classed as weapons and there's anything written in law about trained fighters being treated differently.

Yes you're right there's no legislation on it. However taking into account they're held to a higher standard means they are treated differently.

[kafkod]

Yup. I was going to mention something similar myself. Totally agree.

So...as always, fans will disagree (at least in some cases) about who was "great."

I tend to think to be considered truly great, you have to beat great opponents while they are in their prime. And yes, it helps if those opponents are your own size.

GGG has been the best MW in the world for 6 years now. And while he hasn't had a "great" opponent to prove himself against, the way he crushed every top ranked MW who went against him until the Jacobs fight, hardly losing a round and never being hurt by anybody or anything, proved to me that GGG was, and hopefully still is, a very special fighter.

I've been watching boxing a long time, and while "greatness" needs great opposition to shine through, I recognise exceptional ability when I see it. And Golovkin was/is an exceptionally good fighter.

[PhillyPhlash]

This past Saturday...

Me and a buddy of mine smoking in a cigar shop in Philly..

Me: Where you watching the Mayweather-McGregor fight?

Buddy: I don't know. I was thinking maybe going out to the club or a bar. Where you watching it?

Me: I think I'm going to stay home. It's too much noise and commotion going on in the club. I want to concentrate on the fight.

Buddy: You know they gonna fight again in MMA, right?

Me: What? Mayweather ain't getting into no UFC ring. That ain't happening.

Buddy: I'm telling you, they gonna do it in the octagon after this.

Me: Are you serious? Mayweather ain't ****** enough to do that.

Buddy: There's too much money involved for them not to do it. Mayweather is paying for it to happen.

Me: Mayweather's paying who?

Buddy: I'm telling you. Mayweather is paying McGregor to do it in the octagon after this.

Me: You think McGregor is on Floyd's payroll?!

Buddy: Just watch. They gonna fight in the UFC after this. Mayweather is paying McGregor for these 2 fights.

Me: I bet you a box of cigars you're wrong. Any box of our choosing.

Buddy: That's a bet.

I got a free box of cigars out of this, at least.

[Furn]

At the Pac Horn fight the guys behind me where saying that the Junior Bantamweight undercard fight was Under 18s.

[_Maxi]

I once heard a guy say: "Canelo would destroy this russian, he destroyed Khan." (russian = Golovkin)

[PhillyPhlash]

This past Saturday...

Me and a buddy of mine smoking in a cigar shop in Philly..

Me: Where you watching the Mayweather-McGregor fight?

Buddy: I don't know. I was thinking maybe going out to the club or a bar. Where you watching it?

Me: I think I'm going to stay home. It's too much noise and commotion going on in the club. I want to concentrate on the fight.

Buddy: You know they gonna fight again in MMA, right?

Me: What? Mayweather ain't getting into no UFC ring. That ain't happening.

Buddy: I'm telling you, they gonna do it in the octagon after this.

Me: Are you serious? Mayweather ain't ****** enough to do that.

Buddy: There's too much money involved for them not to do it. Mayweather is paying for it to happen.

Me: Mayweather's paying who?

Buddy: I'm telling you. Mayweather is paying McGregor to do it in the octagon after this.

Me: You think McGregor is on Floyd's payroll?!

Buddy: Just watch. They gonna fight in the UFC after this. Mayweather is paying McGregor for these 2 fights.

Me: I bet you a box of cigars you're wrong. Any box of our choosing.

Buddy: That's a bet.

I got a free box of cigars out of this, at least.

Aye, I just called this dude and was like "You got my box of cigars ready?"

LOL I can't wait to collect my cigars.

[brettWall]

Casuals are the ones putting money into these fighters' pockets.

I bet the TS feels no guilt streaming fights for free.