Comments Thread For: Bellew: A lot Closer To Andre Ward Fight, I'll Walk Through Him!

[Madison Boxing]

lie to yourself if you choose but you're a proven racist. I on the other hand am not racist.

you know exactly what you are....

[just the facts]

you know exactly what you are....

absolutely, I'm the guy who always calls you out on your racist bullshyte

[SplitSecond]

Hope this fight happens, I think it would be great.

[Mammoth]

Bellew is gonna get beat up...

[Boxing Logic]

Who doesn't lose weight to make their division limit? That isn't specific to Ward. Also, Kov is bigger than Ward.

I have seen many of your comments and you clearly don't like Ward, which is fine. However, I don't understand the hyperbole. Ward isn't 5 pounds bgger or smaller than Bellew. It is more than that. This fight doesn't ruin the LHW division. And the titles weren't stolen from Kov. Reel it in a bit. You have plenty of knowledge of the sport, but it doesn't come out well when discussing Ward.

Virgil said Ward was a "Scaled down 175" when he fought at 168, and that in the gym he was in the 190s when he fought at 168 (which makes sense, even Crawford drains 20+ to get down to 140 and that's a smaller weight class. 190 or 195 to 168 is no different than what Crawford or Spence or Brook do at smaller weight classes, fighting 20-30 pounds below their normal weight). Virgil even said outside the gym Ward could go above 200, and again, that was when he fought at 168.

So he was already 200 pounds, at times, three years ago. Then he bulked up even more to get to 175. Then he bulked up way, way more for the Kovalev rematch, after already being at 175.

So Ward was already 190-200. Then he bulked up once. Then he bulked up a second time. Where you think he's at now? If he added 5 pounds to move up to light heavyweight from a starting point of 190-200, then that makes the range 195-205. If he bulked up another 5 for the Kovalev rematch, that makes the range 200-210. When Bellew fought Haye, I think he weighed 215. So where is the size difference? All Ward has to do is repeat the training he did for the Kovalev rematch, and add another 5+ pounds, and at worst he will be a few pounds lighter than Bellew, at best he could even outweigh him on fight night if we underestimated how much weight he added. If he added 7 pounds to move to light heavyweight, not 5, and another 6 or 7 for the rematch, then drained down to make weight and ballooned back up, he could already be walking around at 210 and only need to add 5 more to match Bellew.

Why do you want this fight anyway? Im a Lomachenko fan, but I keep calling for him to fight Mikey Garcia and maybe even Crawford one day. You dont hear me calling for him to fight Terry Flanagan as a "legacy fight" at 135 or Ricky Burns at 140. Tony Bellew is the Ricky Burns of cruiserweight even down to the UK aspect, so why does anyone want this fight? Ward-Usyk is a great fight at cruiserweight. Ward-Gassiev even. Possibly even Ward-Breidis once we see more of him. Lebedev not bad either if he's not too old. So why would anyone want Ward-Bellew? There are 5+ better fights at cruiserweight, plus Stevenson, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Beterbiev, and Kovalev III are all better fights at 175. So there are literally five better fights for him to take IN EACH WEIGHT CLASS but you want to promote the Bellew fight? Why?

[Edward90]

Virgil said Ward was a "Scaled down 175" when he fought at 168, and that in the gym he was in the 190s when he fought at 168 (which makes sense, even Crawford drains 20+ to get down to 140 and that's a smaller weight class. 190 or 195 to 168 is no different than what Crawford or Spence or Brook do at smaller weight classes, fighting 20-30 pounds below their normal weight). Virgil even said outside the gym Ward could go above 200, and again, that was when he fought at 168.

So he was already 200 pounds, at times, three years ago. Then he bulked up even more to get to 175. Then he bulked up way, way more for the Kovalev rematch, after already being at 175.

So Ward was already 190-200. Then he bulked up once. Then he bulked up a second time. Where you think he's at now? If he added 5 pounds to move up to light heavyweight from a starting point of 190-200, then that makes the range 195-205. If he bulked up another 5 for the Kovalev rematch, that makes the range 200-210. When Bellew fought Haye, I think he weighed 215. So where is the size difference? All Ward has to do is repeat the training he did for the Kovalev rematch, and add another 5+ pounds, and at worst he will be a few pounds lighter than Bellew, at best he could even outweigh him on fight night if we underestimated how much weight he added. If he added 7 pounds to move to light heavyweight, not 5, and another 6 or 7 for the rematch, then drained down to make weight and ballooned back up, he could already be walking around at 210 and only need to add 5 more to match Bellew.

Why do you want this fight anyway? Im a Lomachenko fan, but I keep calling for him to fight Mikey Garcia and maybe even Crawford one day. You dont hear me calling for him to fight Terry Flanagan as a "legacy fight" at 135 or Ricky Burns at 140. Tony Bellew is the Ricky Burns of cruiserweight even down to the UK aspect, so why does anyone want this fight? Ward-Usyk is a great fight at cruiserweight. Ward-Gassiev even. Possibly even Ward-Breidis once we see more of him. Lebedev not bad either if he's not too old. So why would anyone want Ward-Bellew? There are 5+ better fights at cruiserweight, plus Stevenson, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Beterbiev, and Kovalev III are all better fights at 175. So there are literally five better fights for him to take IN EACH WEIGHT CLASS but you want to promote the Bellew fight? Why?

Virgil has said a bunch of things, regarding Ward's weight and size. He also said that HBO forced Ward to move up to 175. He said that Ward could come back down to 168 to fight GGG, which was in direct contradiction of what Ward said. He said that Ward could fight AJ, which goes against what he said about Ward not fighting a big HW. All comments must be taken into context and not pulled randomly to suit our arguments.

Ward was significantly smaller than Barrera when they fought. He was smaller than Kov when they fought. If Ward is ~210, how big are the other guys? Also, when you see Ward and Bellew standing by each other, the disparity in size and frame is obvious. You make it seem like Ward has built a career on being some sort of weight bully and speculating on his weight based on how he looks. Is there a fight night weight that you can actually reference? What did he weigh the night of Kov-Ward 2? Provide a link for it.

Where did I say that this was the fight I wanted the most for Ward? Most of the top CWs are in the WBSS tournament and therefore are not available. Also, Bellew offers the largest amount of money, so it makes sense that Ward would pursue him if he's going up as someone approaching his mid-30s. The Bellew fight has intrigue because it makes me wonder what he will do afterwards. After Bellew, would he fight Usyk (or other top CW) at CW? Would he try his hand at HW? Bellew is a stepping stone to another meaningful fight. With that being said, the Stevenson and Beterbiev fights are more interesting than the Bellew fight in itself. I don't want to see him fight Kov again and Bivol has said himself that he isn't ready for that fight yet. I think Bivol will be really good in a few fights/years.