McGregor's actual mentality going into this fight.

[CatchAndShoot]

Not sure what you are even taking issue with with what I said. But you definitely need more than "elite" hands in MMA & all the guys you mention got more than "elite" hands. Miocic needs less cuz not unlike in boxing the big guys in MMA are more basic & rely on power above all else. Thats why I've said I could see a guy like Anthony Joshua actaully fighting in the cage one day in some super fight. There are more fights at HW that have few to no takedown attempts & its all striking & often its mostly just boxing with some more intense grappling going on then you see in the ring.

Dude, just stop. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

[Eff Pandas]

Dude, just stop. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

I don't even know wtf you are talking about at this point cuz you are saying nothing except sh^t that makes no sense to anyone who knows about combat sports or Conor specifically as to the title topic.

[CatchAndShoot]

I don't even know wtf you are talking about at this point cuz you are saying nothing except sh^t that makes no sense to anyone who knows about combat sports or Conor specifically as to the title topic.

You bashed boxers, and said how they it would be an anomaly for them to succeed in MMA, even with a few years of anti grappling, and anti kicking defense. I addressed all that, and you're still saying random BS.

[Igorunso]

I'm not gonna argue that with you, since you have some experience in Sambo, but I'm telling you, a boxer can train a few years in anti grappling, distance in MMA, and all that jazz, and do major damage.

Yes sure he can! Thats how all high level guys get into mma - with a solid base in one discipline. But the topic of the discussion is if right now floyd could hang in a mma bout with solid preparation and I think it's simple too late to learn tdd, defensive bjj, fighting at the cage, clinch positions and grappling, tdd from clinches, elbows knees, kicking distance, kicking defense, a stance which don t kill his lead leg, a shoulder roll which don t result in an auto takedown, slipping into tds kicks knees, defense with 4oz, and, and,and after all the preparation his footwork would not look anymore like it is. That's why from the boxing pov mma-striking looks like ****e. It's simply not possible to behave like in the boxing ring with all the things going on. And sure you can argue that's why we discuss!

Regards

[CatchAndShoot]

Yes sure he can! Thats how all high level guys get into mma - with a solid base in one discipline. But the topic of the discussion is if right now floyd could hang in a mma bout with solid preparation and I think it's simple too late to learn tdd, defensive bjj, fighting at the cage, clinch positions and grappling, tdd from clinches, elbows knees, kicking distance, kicking defense, a stance which don t kill his lead leg, a shoulder roll which don t result in an auto takedown, slipping into tds kicks knees, defense with 4oz, and, and,and after all the preparation his footwork would not look anymore like it is. That's why from the boxing pov mma-striking looks like ****e. It's simply not possible to behave like in the boxing ring with all the things going on. And sure you can argue that's why we discuss!

Regards

A guy as athletic, and smart fight wise as Floyd, there's no way it's too late. The reason why he's great is because of how quickly he picks things up, and almost masters them. Remember when people were saying he has no jab at 147, and then he started to use the body jab, and jabbed a lot more? Just like Jon Jones, he could definitely get good enough to not get taken down at will, and then just box their faces off.

Dude, don't make me talk good about Floyd, because I really don't want to.

[Ganondorf]

If Conor actually thinks he will beat Floyd at boxing, Conor is delusional.

[Eff Pandas]

You bashed boxers, and said how they it would be an anomaly for them to succeed in MMA, even with a few years of anti grappling, and anti kicking defense. I addressed all that, and you're still saying random BS.

Boxers are underweaponized in MMA in general. Of course they got more of an uphill battle in MMA.

And sure if they develop a good to great TDD they can maximize their upside in MMA, but that takes time & most guys won't & don't wanna put in that time.

The real problem with boxing in the MMA world is while boxing is a basic requirement for the most part for success in MMA its a fighting discipline which has a highly problematic style issue. For people with a strong base in boxing, boxing doesn't "rock paper scissors" very well vs other fighting disciplines. There is more body controlling styles of fighting like grappling, wrestling & BJJ which are all styles one should have some level of comfort doing or a high level of comfort in defending which few boxers are likely to have experience doing or defending. Thats gonna be a huge problem for most boxers crossing over to MMA. But yea sure in fantasyland where a every boxer spends 2-3 years working on TDD + learning some BJJ that'd help equalize things for sure. Its just not gonna be happening with most guys crossing over cuz most boxers aren't gonna spend years learning TDD & BJJ.

And why would they? There is more money in boxing. Asking a boxer to learn TDD & BJJ is like asking a pretty girl with big **** to learn how to be change the oil on her car too. I mean I think she gots enough going for herself already so idk why we are teaching her to change the oil too.

[normak]

connor knows he can't win, when he was talking about fighting floyd before it actually got announced(or just as it was cant remember) he never once said he could beat floyd. When asked how he thought it would go he said it would be a 180 million dollar dance. A slip of honesty, he wasn't in his talking mode and he never said he could beat him in the ring.

[Eff Pandas]

If Conor actually thinks he will beat Floyd at boxing, Conor is delusional.

I'd argue most top fighters are at least a lil delusional . I'd argue most people who are tops in their chosen field in competitive worlds are at least a lil delusional.

You gotta be a lil crazy to think you can be #1, or among the top guys, in anything competitive on a planet with 8 billion or however many people.

[Ganondorf]

I'd argue most top fighters are at least a lil delusional . I'd argue most people who are tops in their chosen field in competitive worlds are at least a lil delusional.

You gotta be a lil crazy to think you can be #1, or among the top guys, in anything competitive on a planet with 8 billion or however many people.

True. But I think he's a little more delusional than most if in his heart he truly favors himself to win. If he does, it's nothing more than wishful thinking.