Ok so name 20 heavyweights better than Wlad

[Elroy The Great]

20 ?!?!?!? personally i cant

h2h or resume ?!?!? still cant find 20.
(fnck technique/style or ''correct'' way of fighting)

h2h (excluding aj and fury. had it been prime wlad, he beats them both)~

ali
holmes
lennox
vit
maybe tua (might be too squat ?)
maybe foreman (gasses and can be sloppy asF)
maybe holy (trades too much)
maybe ruiz (hug his way to victory? )
maybe ike (if hes right in the head)

resume (successful. fighting and losing to the best means shlt)~

ali
lennox
holy
foreman
tua
ruiz
vit
bowe

[HAMMER77777]

Some of you guys are such dorks about sh^t like this. I don't see the appeal.

Klitschko was among the best fighters of his era. Thats all anyone can be.

Everything else is subjective bs being speculated on by cats who've seen like 5 Joe Louis fights & 7 Ali fights so why would anyone give a f#ck about your (royally using "your" so no dork gets all mad at me & suggest I'm accusing them of something) opinion historical any f#cking way.

^exactly this.

[IronDanHamza]

There isn't 20.

Guy's listing Billy Conn as a better Heavyweight than Wladimir Klitschko

[iamboxing]

Some of you guys are such dorks about sh^t like this. I don't see the appeal.

Klitschko was among the best fighters of his era. Thats all anyone can be.

Everything else is subjective bs being speculated on by cats who've seen like 5 Joe Louis fights & 7 Ali fights so why would anyone give a f#ck about your (royally using "your" so no dork gets all mad at me & suggest I'm accusing them of something) opinion historical any f#cking way.

Exactly, it's all speculation. Wlad's acheivements amount to nothing now because someone 50 years ago could have beat him? It's ******.

[sunny31]

To me he is between 6-15, I don't like to be more specific than that because it can create arguments. You can make a case for him in any of those spots. For me he is closer to 15, when I have properly disected it in the past I've had him around 10-12 I believe.

These things are always pretty tough because different careers have different peaks and troughs. Also in a lot of these situations there aren't many parrarels when comparing records, so how do you measure one or two great performance/wins against several good/solid wins? It's things like this that I think people find tough to measure.

I personally always hold a high value to those special elite wins, and in some cases even in losses. If you have the longevity and those good/solid wins to supplement the great ones then even better.

As an example of someone who I hold in seriously high esteem but didn't necessarily have very many good wins is Vitali Klitschko. The main reason being that what he showed in 6 rounds against Lewis was incredible. It showed that he belonged, he ticked all the boxes against another atg. Subsequently he did have some extremely dominant wins against good/decent fighters to cement to me that it was no one off. For that reason I would actually have Vitali very close to Wlad in a historical sense, and head to head I think Vitali would have stopped him in a real fight. But you probably have to have Wlad slightly ahead because of the overall body of work.

[oscar9992]

Wlad would beat most ATG heavyweights with his jab and height alone... Just like Lewis easily beat Tua.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Vitali would KO him, and Vitali is NEVER mentioned in a heavyweight all time great convo. Wlad was king of a weak era, the weakest in history. I have a better idea, NAME 1 HALL OF FAMER WLAD BEAT..

... and was beaten and KOed a few times in the process.

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"Ok so name 20 heavyweights better than Wlad........

better= excellence above average. In boxing talent regarding skill levels. Methods & Techniques applied.

Joe Jeanette
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Joe Louis
Billy Conn
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Sonny Liston
Ali
Larry Holmes
Earnie Shavers
Ron Lyle
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Rid**** Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua

Dempsey, Marciano & Tyson are pressure guys using a "pressure style" instead of a stand up boxers form. However their pressure style is extremely difficult to master and the conditioning needed to perform at a high level is extreme.
Lyle, Foreman, Bowe and Lewis are stand up punchers who have good boxing skills. This is the group that Wlad would fit into but to a lesser ranking position wise.

I give Wlad credit for being champion but he was not a gifted boxer by any means. He was a basic one/two puncher who had a limited defense and held constantly. Never learned to clinch or
sustain a body attack.
If he was trained in the States in his youth he could have been a much better talent because he was a good athlete.
Nice man and a gentleman but certainly not a great boxer.

Ray

tyson fury who was hw champion for one bout was better than wlad who was champion for one decade? based on your visual observations? & joshua is some highly dynamic boxing stylist?

no bias at all surely

[soul_survivor]

Easy and this is coming from a Klitschko fan!

Ali
Johnson
Louis
Tyson
Lewis
Marciano
Holyfield
Dempsey
Foreman
Frazier
Liston
Holmes
Vitali
Norton
Patterson
Spinks
Fitzsimmons
Walcott
(One of the current heavyweights due to better comp than during his era)
Tunney..

Not Wlads fault his time at top had no real comp but I believe he would do well in other era's due to his size, jab and conditioning!

LOL!

So, can you explain how Dempsey was better? He was certainly a bigger star, one of the pioneers of boxing, bringing it into the 20th century and a brutal ,entertaining fighter...but can you explain if his world title reign was longer? If he had as many defences? If he faced better opposition? How long his championship level career lasted?

Heck, he would barely be a cw by todays standards.

Can you do the same for Fitzsimmons?

And which one of the current hws?

[elfag]

spinks
john ruiz
corrie sanders - fat south african golfer knocked his ***** ass out
duncon dukiwari
lemon brewster - knocked his ***** ass out
valuev
david haye - only lost because of a critically damaged small toe
james toney - wlad ducked a middleweight with ***** ****
ross purritty - knocked wlads ***** ass out, im seeing a trend here folks
lennox lewis - wladdy never made the fight because he got brutally knocked out against a fat semipro golfer
chris arreola - wlad ducked him and called in his brother to fight a fat guy named after a nipple
michael grant
vitali klitschko