Comments Thread For: Errol Spence Explains Why Canelo Will Beat Gennady Golovkin

[Shadoww702]

Canelo had outgrown 154 and he knew he couldn't afford to let Golovkin unify the division against BJS - which was about to get signed - because if GGG got all 4 belts at 160 that would leave Canelo with nowhere to go in the MW division except through GGG, and give Golovkin more leverage in negotiations with him.

I truly believe that if BJS hadn't agreed to fight Golovkin in Kazakhstan this June, GGG vs Canelo would not be happening this Sept.

If I was Loeffler, I would have had GGG fight BJS for all the belts, as originally planned, instead of caving in to Oscar's bullshit and swerving Bill to fight Canelo instead.

Finally you say something that makes sense.

I agree Canelo was going to be ***ED if GGG got all 4 belts. It's the reason why he fought Liam Smith. So he could be Saunders mandatory and try to get that last available belt before he was blocked out...

I don't know though of Saunders would of passed on Canelo $$$$ to fight GGG.

Either way it was a good move to make before he got checkmated.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Canelo had outgrown 154 and he knew he couldn't afford to let Golovkin unify the division against BJS - which was about to get signed - because if GGG got all 4 belts at 160 that would leave Canelo with nowhere to go in the MW division except through GGG, and give Golovkin more leverage in negotiations with him.

I truly believe that if BJS hadn't agreed to fight Golovkin in Kazakhstan this June, GGG vs Canelo would not be happening this Sept.

If I was Loeffler, I would have had GGG fight BJS for all the belts, as originally planned, instead of caving in to Oscar's bullshit and swerving Bill to fight Canelo instead.

That's an interesting theory. Because yes had Golovkin fought BJS and won then there would be no path for Canelo at MW w/out Golovkin. Thus maybe he gets even more money. That said I think Golovkin made the right move. You can't afford to wait any longer to face Canelo when given the opportunity. Too much money to risk and also prestige. Because no matter what names matter in boxing. If you beat a guy with a name it adds to your legacy. Jacobs might turn out to be a tougher fight at MW than Canelo is for Golovkin (not saying he will or won't), but beating Canelo means so much more. That's just the way it is.

I think Mayweather is a great fighter but when you mention how few of the guys he actually fought were in their prime (most of them well past their prime) since 2003 you just get the list of fighters and how all of them were great. People just see the name on the resume and that's that.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Finally you say something that makes sense.

I agree Canelo was going to be ***ED if GGG got all 4 belts. It's the reason why he fought Liam Smith. So he could be Saunders mandatory and try to get that last available belt before he was blocked out...

I don't know though of Saunders would of passed on Canelo $$$$ to fight GGG.

Either way it was a good move to make before he got checkmated.

Saunders would never have passed on fighting Canelo for a lot more money with equal or less risk than facing Golovkin.

[Lester Tutor]

Canelo had outgrown 154 and he knew he couldn't afford to let Golovkin unify the division against BJS - which was about to get signed - because if GGG got all 4 belts at 160 that would leave Canelo with nowhere to go in the MW division except through GGG, and give Golovkin more leverage in negotiations with him.

I truly believe that if BJS hadn't agreed to fight Golovkin in Kazakhstan this June, GGG vs Canelo would not be happening this Sept.

If I was Loeffler, I would have had GGG fight BJS for all the belts, as originally planned, instead of caving in to Oscar's bullshit and swerving Bill to fight Canelo instead.

Finally you give my narrative full credit as I've been saying it for how long only for you to debate against?

Smh... I feel flattered

[SUBZER0ED]

Spence: "I feel like Triple G throws only one shot at a time." Yeah OK, but you can't hit a man when he goes down. Maybe that's why Spence only sees Golovkin throw one punch at a time. My eyes see combos.

[Robi13]

He would have got 30% as mando.

If you have any evidence saying otherwise, apart from an article by that useless lump Fat Dan, please post it here. I'm genuinely curious about that. I'm talking about something from the WBC themselves, not just something from people talking about what Fat Dan wrote,

But leaving the mando split aside ... whatever GGG has accepted from Canelo now, as champion, I'm damn sure he would accepted the same as challenger if he had been offered it.

He wanted the fight with Canelo last year, and he knew damn well that, whatever he was entitled to as mando .. he wasn't going to get 45% from Canelo, and holding out for it would only kill the fight.

And that exactly what happened lol. You state things in your arguments that are your opinions not facts. And now, canelo won't even be fighting for the WBC belt so that belt has and had nothing to do with what ggg is going to make. And why? Because canelo vacated and ggg is no longer in the position to negotiate under the WBC rules which would of allowed him the 45 split if it went to a purse split. Doesn't mean ggg and his team were fighting to get the 45 but, that leverage that was there when canelo was champ went out the window once he vacated. No duck. Straight boss move that's all

[Diego Rodriguez]

Canelo is faster and can box though. Make adjustments, counter, has great timing as well, has a great jab. Ggg attributes that you listed, look great against his weak opposition. He didn't look good against Jacobs and Jacobs imo isn't even good either

I think Canelo is faster but it is not a massive difference IMO. I don't think Golovkin is going to go in the ring and from a speed perspective see anything he hasn't seen before. I personally don't watch a Canelo fight and say WOW he is so fast. I'd give him a B+ on upper body speed. Canelo is a very good boxer that's his biggest strength IMO. I think Golovkin is vasty underrated as a boxer. This is where I think I differ most with the Canelo supporters. Many of them see him more as a brawler or a one trick pony.

So I give Canelo slight advantages on speed and about even on boxing skills vs. Golovkin. The problem for him IMO is everything else is either a slight advantage or significant advantage for Golovkin, or Canelo is simply untested against a true MW (and no I don't count Chavez for anything except being a punching bag). That boy won the day he signed the fight and got desert when he made weight.

I thought Golovkin looked good against Jacobs, he didn't look amazing. The expectation were so high for Jacobs and when he failed to live up to them the blow back was way over done. You say Jacobs isn't good and of course that is your opinion. I think Jacobs is a very good fighter and IMO was a tougher opposition than anyone Canelo has faced excluding Mayweather. The guy was 32-1, 29 KOs. Is in the prime of his career. His only loss was years before to an excellent fighter.

I can't convince someone that someone is good, they either see it or they don't. If you really think Jacobs isn't good that means Golovkin isn't good which means a win by Canelo isn't really that big a deal. It really diminishes what a great accomplishment it would be by Canelo if he wins this fight. I do believe most people in boxing know better and that is why this is viewed as a great fight and the winner will have accomplished something terrific.

[Diego Rodriguez]

No he didn't!

He gave it away because the WBC ordered him to either defend their title against Golovkin or relinquish it.

Where is the evidence that Canelo is getting a better cut of the purse for fighting GGG as challenger than he would have got as champion?

Why would Golovkin accept to defend his titles as the champion for a smaller cut than you guys are saying he already turned down as a challenger?

This is true. He gave the belt away because he didn't want to be forced to face Golovkin. He would have happily kept the belt, as he did before, if he wasn't obligated to face Golovkin. He went on to fight a guy after who brought in less money than a Golovkin fight would have made.

I'm pretty done with this now cause the fights here and all the BS is done. Yes the fight could have and probably should have been made a year earlier but this isn't Pac-Mayweather where we had to wait 5 years after it should have been made. These guys are doing it now at 160lbs.

[kafkod]

Finally you say something that makes sense.

I agree Canelo was going to be ***ED if GGG got all 4 belts. It's the reason why he fought Liam Smith. So he could be Saunders mandatory and try to get that last available belt before he was blocked out...

I don't know though of Saunders would of passed on Canelo $$$$ to fight GGG.

Either way it was a good move to make before he got checkmated.

Saunders was offered £5 million to fight GGG in Kazakhstan .. expo 2017 money .. and he had already accepted that and all other terms when Oscar piped up and said that if GGG fights BJS in June, Canelo vs GGG in Sept will no longer be on the table.

BJS and Frank Warren couldn't understand why Golovkin had suddenly decided he didn't want to fight Bill after all. We only found out why that was when Canelo shouted "Holopkeen .. you are necks my friend" after he beat Chavez Jr.

[kafkod]

And that exactly what happened lol. You state things in your arguments that are your opinions not facts. And now, canelo won't even be fighting for the WBC belt so that belt has and had nothing to do with what ggg is going to make. And why? Because canelo vacated and ggg is no longer in the position to negotiate under the WBC rules which would of allowed him the 45 split if it went to a purse split. Doesn't mean ggg and his team were fighting to get the 45 but, that leverage that was there when canelo was champ went out the window once he vacated. No duck. Straight boss move that's all

So why didn't Oscar give that as an explanation when Canelo relinquished his belt? Why did he say instead that Canelo hasn't yet grown into a MW, or some such bullshit?

And still no proof that GGG was entitled to 45% if it went to a bid, other than a comment in an article by Fat Dan, who is notorious for getting his facts wrong.