How did Miguel Cotto become a PR superstar? Thanks to Arum

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  • Madison Boxing
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    #51
    Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
    -Why is his win over Zab is not considered a good win by you???
    -lotsa fighters had beaten him...ok lets look into...Zab's first lost was to:
    Kotsa Tszyu by 2nd rnd TKO (who a lot of people avoid!)
    Cory Spinks by UD (good fight which he later avaenged by TKO)
    Baldomir by UD
    Floyd by UD
    Cotto by 11 rnd TKO (not Floyd (2006) nor Baldomir (2006) or even Cory Spinks (2004) could stop nor dropped Zab) So why is this not considered a good win??? Cotto stopped him. And Cotto decision over Clottey was correct . The only reason why he struggled was because of the headbutt that caused a nasty cut over his eyes. He didn't quit like so many have.

    Cotto being the first to defeat Malignaggi should be something. Cotto struggled against Malignaggi??? GTFOH!!!

    So you're are labeling Clottey as a b level fighter, as far as i'm concerned he is a world class fighter. And so what that Pacquia won every rnd against him that does not applied. Cotto ko Zab, where as Baldomir nor Floyd couldn't do.

    The only fighter that whipped Cotto bad was Pacquia, don't play yourself with that Margocheato crappp, you know he was loaded. They will not band him & his trainer for no reason. And you gonna tell me that Floyd whipped his A$$? GTFOH!

    At the end of the day, Cotto was really too small to fight at even JR Middlewgt, that alone should be a credit to him. Any fighter would only dream of accomplishing what he has in the world of boxing.
    he did struggle against malignaggi if i remember, especially at the start, was a very close fight. many other top fighters made light work of malignaggi, cotto didnt.
    zab getting done over in 2nd round by tszyu, losing to baldomir, spinks does not make him a top class fighter in my opinion and just cause cotto got him out of there in the 11th doesnt make me think it was some class win.
    I think fighters like cotto and judah get the benefit of the doubt cause they looked really good at the start of there careers but when they got thrown to the wolves they lost. People remember the hype and see them as top fighters, top talents but once they got to that top pool of fighters they, more than often, fell badly short.
    If cotto gave these fighters he lost to hell i might say, oh well he lost to the best, but mayweather played with him, pacquiao annihilated him, canelo beat him comfortably, margarito made him quit, trout beat him 119-109 on one scorecard. Seems every big fight i tune into of his he gets whooped.
    Was always an excuse when he lost too, weight issues, bad camp, trainers fault etc. Fact is hes never really been that amazing a fighter, just a solid fighter and his status in the sport doesnt befit his actual performances.

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    • nubianpiye
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      #52
      Cotto was popular because he's incredible and entertaining

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      • McNulty
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        #53
        Originally posted by New England
        not going to speak on crossing over to casual fans, but cotto was 100% a star in boxing. he made an 8 million dollar guarantee against floyd mayweather. that's just one fight.

        was on two cards with overa million ppv buys. headlined other ppvs, selling close to half a million against mosley, for example, whcih is super successful for anobyd not named floyd or manny.
        Thats nice and all but the topic of the thread a star in PR.

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        • KingHippo
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          #54
          There's money in PR supestars. First there is the huge embedded fanbase in the US and second there is the Mexico - PR rivalry. It will always be easier to make fights with a PR fighter then against, let's say, a dangerous and skille Cuban fighter. The machine will get behind the PR star cuz by instinct they want to survive. That's why guys like Jim Lampley will have full license to talk **** about Rigondeaux while he's operating his magic and why so so fighters like Trinidad and Cotto have been deified.

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          • Willy Wanker
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            #55
            Cotto was/is an exciting fighter and always delivers whether he wins or loses.

            Arum and HBO had a lot to do with giving him opportunities, but he also gave great performancesand built up a big fanbase outside of PR. If he stunk up the joint and gave lazy performances like Rigo for instance he wouldn't have become as big.

            Cotto doesn't have a larger than life personality like Tito or Camacho, but he's still Puerto Rican, great boxing country that really gets behind their fighters.

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            • JakeTheBoxer
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              #56
              He was very good at 140. Then moved up and got some good wins: Judah, Mosley, Quintana. He was unbeaten before he faced Margarito the first time.

              His career in last 6 years maybe isn`t elite, but still, he did it pretty well against prime Canelo. So, even old Cotto isn`t much worse than young Canelo, who is supposed to be the biggest star in boxing or something?

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              • JakeTheBoxer
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                #57
                Originally posted by McNulty
                He isn't a star though. I know a lot of Puerto Ricans and they don't recognize Cotto. Those that do recognize him just do it out of desperation in lack of stars.
                He made more money than Canelo in their fight. How is he not a star?

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                • McNulty
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
                  He made more money than Canelo in their fight. How is he not a star?
                  Reread my post!

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                  • jri9d0
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by KingHippo
                    There's money in PR supestars. First there is the huge embedded fanbase in the US and second there is the Mexico - PR rivalry. It will always be easier to make fights with a PR fighter then against, let's say, a dangerous and skille Cuban fighter. The machine will get behind the PR star cuz by instinct they want to survive. That's why guys like Jim Lampley will have full license to talk **** about Rigondeaux while he's operating his magic and why so so fighters like Trinidad and Cotto have been deified.
                    I agree with the majority of what you just posted. However, as the saying goes "Styles makes fights " and Rigondeaux style bores the masses skilled or not.

                    Now I'm not saying I condone Lampley's rhetoric (I've grown to dislike him over the years ) but he in many ways is stating the blatantly obvious when it comes to Rigondeaux.

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                    • Almighty Sosa
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                      #60
                      never liked cotto, overated fighter. Even with the margrito glove claims, to take a knee like that in such a huge country v country fight was pathetic, should have just gone out on his back

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