Floyd dismantled Marquez after a two year lay off... Pacquiao got knocked out

[A-Wolf]

That was a mismatch (nothing to do with weight).

That's true. Floyd could throw the pull counter and then dip under and roll out the other side and be basically behind Marquez before JMM could even turn around.

It was a mismatch because Floyd has/had the best footspeed and agility in the game and Marquez is a ****ing gimp by comparison. Floyd had 100% domination over the distance control in that match.

Styles make fights. That fight is one of Floyd's absolute worst cherry picks ever from a tactical standpoint.

[JK1700]

I don't think you really understand what it is Floyd's doing, if you blame that drop on PED's. It's Floyds fault, that the opposition gets neutralized.

Of course they all get a drop-off, but 800 punches though? Even against punching bag Brandon Rios he threw 700 less punches. Something went on there.

[JK1700]

Pretty good win, but we cannot disregard all the Floyd antics in this fight, especially the size difference was very noticeable. It was a beauty of a fight for Floyd thought. He only got hit by a single 1-2 combo. Floyd should've come in on weight though.

So you're not going to give him much credit just because of 2lbs? It made no difference at all. Size difference? Marquez is taller than Pacquiao.

[BoxingIsGreat]

That's true. Floyd could throw the pull counter and then dip under and roll out the other side and be basically behind Marquez before JMM could even turn around.

It was a mismatch because Floyd has/had the best footspeed and agility in the game and Marquez is a ****ing gimp by comparison. Floyd had 100% domination over the distance control in that match.

Styles make fights. That fight is one of Floyd's absolute worst cherry picks ever from a tactical standpoint.

Accurate analysis. Do you think it would have gone any different had they fought at 130 or 135?

[Scary]

So you're not going to give him much credit just because of 2lbs? It made no difference at all. Size difference? Marquez is taller than Pacquiao.

Yeah, I give Floyd credit for the way he won. He beasted Marquez with surgeon like skills. I do also discredit the win, because as far as I remember Floyd came in over the top and even chose a weightclass that was a bit too much for Marquez.

All in all, Floyd looked like a million bucks and Marquez went on to greater wins afterwards - Pretty good win.

[Scary]

Of course they all get a drop-off, but 800 punches though? Even against punching bag Brandon Rios he threw 700 less punches. Something went on there.

He didn't throw 700 punches less in the Rios fight. When he fought Clottey, Clottey knew that he just needed to get through the fight would be enough. This was when Pacquaio was red hot, so many people thought that Clottey did not come to win. He was like Athur Abraham the whole fight - So ofcourse Pacquiao could tee off on him. Ofcourse he can't do that against other boxers who come to win. Rios on the other hand is a strong forward coming exhausting kind of fighter. Pacquaio thew 790 punches against him - That is still a lot of punches. Oh and Pacquiao in the interview after told the reporter that he got hurt during the fight.

I reckon both FM and MP at some point had something in their system. The sudden disapperance of KO's for MP, seemed odd I agree.

[Chaos]

Hahaha! I have enjoyed this thread.



You can't say that . Didn't he go from throwing 1300 punches against Clottey to throwing barely over 400 against Floyd? I know we can't compare Mayweather and Clottey but that's 900 less. Something definitely went on with him that's one hell of a drop off. JMM got some help with Heredia which raised a lot of flags, but people had been suspecting Pacquiao for years too. So they were both suspect. I think they were both doing it. Floyd's the only one we really know for sure was/is clean.

Saying the fight would've been close at 130 or 135 is like saying Chavez would beat Whitaker at a different weight class. Mayweather was just as great or greater at the lower weights. Marquez might've done better, so would've Floyd. His problem wasn't a power/stamina situation, he just couldn't land anything and kept getting countered. That's a problem that doesn't change regardless of weight.

I never said Marquez would've done better at a lower weight against Floyd. The point I was making is that it's significant that in the three previous fights against Pac he never wobbled him, let alone knocked him down, yet after hiring Memo and turning from pudgy against Floyd to jacked against Pac, he all of the sudden had power he'd never shown before by dropping him twice.

Considering the money he could've made in a 5th fight with Pac, it's telling that he's always flat-out refused it, because he obviously knows he'd be tested more rigorously. If you know any Mexicans in the game or who train at his gym, you'll know that's it's an open secret that he was juiced; it's not even something that's hidden or that he's ashamed of cause he still thinks he got robbed in their previous fights.

With regards to Pac's output against Floyd, it's common knowledge that he had shoulder surgery immediately after the fight. I haven't re-watched, but from what I've read he barely used the injured right arm compared to his previous fights, which means significantly less jabs. Combine that with the fact that Floyd is the most difficult guy to hit and it doesn't seem strange that his output was significantly lower than the Clottey fight.

[iamboxing]

because Mayweather won't fight anyone unless they're verified drug-free. Marquez was drugged to the gills when he KOED Pac

[Larry the boss]

His defense in that fight was Matrix like

[Chaos]

So the Pacquiao after being KO'd (he only started VADA after) looked the same as the one before? GTFOH. Pacquiao started throwing a 1000 punches a fight at WW, stamina he never came close to showing at the lower weights. He was a PED cheat. Most people have come to accept that now.

Sorry but the only people who think that are the ones who've hated him all along. You seem to forget his age and the fact that any fighter will be more cautious after being put to sleep.