Floyd dismantled Marquez after a two year lay off... Pacquiao got knocked out

[rickJen]

I don't see Chollo Vista getting butthurt by this thread.
If that is the purpose. He's not even a Pac fan and even had numerous clashes with Pac tards.
I don't see a lot of Pac fans defending Pac now.
So I don't see the point of these anti-pac threads.
Pacquaio got 7 loses now, so the comparison is no longer relevant.
He's got better resume than Floydie, though, and is more appreciated by fans.

[Xi_]

Jmm beat the living **** outta pacquiao and floyd toyed with both of them.....floyd is superior to both of them in resume and skill. No contest.

[Robbie Barrett]

Sorry but the only people who think that are the ones who've hated him all along. You seem to forget his age and the fact that any fighter will be more cautious after being put to sleep.

His age? He wasn't having that stamina at the lower weights either. He was obviously on something, him refusing random testing also adds to it.

[Pretty Boy32]

Jmm beat the living **** outta pacquiao and floyd toyed with both of them.....floyd is superior to both of them in resume and skill. No contest.

Green Kay for you mate

[JK1700]

I never said Marquez would've done better at a lower weight against Floyd. The point I was making is that it's significant that in the three previous fights against Pac he never wobbled him, let alone knocked him down, yet after hiring Memo and turning from pudgy against Floyd to jacked against Pac, he all of the sudden had power he'd never shown before by dropping him twice.

Considering the money he could've made in a 5th fight with Pac, it's telling that he's always flat-out refused it, because he obviously knows he'd be tested more rigorously. If you know any Mexicans in the game or who train at his gym, you'll know that's it's an open secret that he was juiced; it's not even something that's hidden or that he's ashamed of cause he still thinks he got robbed in their previous fights.

With regards to Pac's output against Floyd, it's common knowledge that he had shoulder surgery immediately after the fight. I haven't re-watched, but from what I've read he barely used the injured right arm compared to his previous fights, which means significantly less jabs. Combine that with the fact that Floyd is the most difficult guy to hit and it doesn't seem strange that his output was significantly lower than the Clottey fight.

I agree with you about JMM to an extent, of course joining Memo opened up all sorts of cans of worms (quite rightly). However I can't have sympathy for Pacquiao when he refused testing for years. Roach's fighters have tested positive too. Where's the proof that Marquez ducked a 5th time? If Pacquiao was clean he could've pulled his card and been like "take the test or the fight's off" but he didn't, I wonder why. Bob Arum probably tried to lowball him. At this point he really doesn't need it, you can make a strong argument he won most if not all their fights. Most of the public agrees so he deserves a big cheque for it.

My point is his output went down and down from 2010 to the Mayweather fight. All of a sudden it went from like 1200 to 1000 to 800 to 600 to all the way down to 400. I'm sure he wasn't injured. He didn't fill it out on the medical paperwork and was doing mit work 2 days before the fight (impossible to do if you have shoulder issues). He was just embarrassed and they needed an excuse for why he got totally schooled by a man they said for years was scared of him. Manny always makes excuses when he loses he can't handle defeat. He always needs an excuse.

To me Marquez is an A+ win for Mayweather. You guys can make all the excuses you want but the truth is he was p4p#2 at the time and really should've been #1 since he beat Pacquiao. Too small? You guys never should've pushed for the Pacquiao fight then because he's even smaller and couldn't even beat Marquez. The dude is legendary and Floyd beat him after 2 of his best wins back to back.

[Chaos]

His age? He wasn't having that stamina at the lower weights either. He was obviously on something, him refusing random testing also adds to it.

He never refused all testing. He was willing to test up to two weeks before and immediately after. No one trains in the last few days and for about 10 days there's nothing you can take that won't show up before or after. Use your head instead of repeating nonsense.

[Robbie Barrett]

He never refused all testing. He was willing to test up to two weeks before and immediately after. No one trains in the last few days and for about 10 days there's nothing you can take that won't show up before or after. Use your head instead of repeating nonsense.

He turned down two weeks. He wanted 30 days, then changed to 24 and only 3 tests, 2 before, 1 after the fight at the times he stated. He didn't want random testing at all.

[Strategic1]

His age? He wasn't having that stamina at the lower weights either. He was obviously on something, him refusing random testing also adds to it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Damn son , you are a clown... who never watched him before 2008-2009...

Stamina, speed is what he always he always had.

Haters just prove themselves to be ****** sometimes. ..

[jay543]

He never refused all testing. He was willing to test up to two weeks before and immediately after. No one trains in the last few days and for about 10 days there's nothing you can take that won't show up before or after. Use your head instead of repeating nonsense.

Pac was scared of drug testing needles despite his numerous tattoos, or was it that he thought the blood collected in testing was to weaken him before the fight?

Then after the Floyd fight he cured a severely torn rotator cuff by using salt water and prayer.

Nothing odd about any of that

[Robbie Barrett]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Damn son , you are a clown... who never watched him before 2008-2009...

Stamina, speed is what he always he always had.

Haters just prove themselves to be ****** sometimes. ..

He wasn't throwing over 1000 punches a fight at the lower weights and still looking like he could go another 12 rounds. Prove me wrong.