Floyd straight up ducked Cotto in 2008

[-Kev-]

Is that why Mayweather said Cotto lives too far, isn't a PPV star and won't let the sport of boxing retire him?

Floyd didn't say Cotto lives too far. You're referencing a video compilation made by a hater who cut a part out of an ESPN interview where Mayweather says Cotto lives in PR and yet doesn't sell PPV's, having a whole country behind him.

This is tiring subject that is talked about pretty much by clueless people that don't actually know anything about the situation.

[McNulty]

Floyd openly admitted to not fighting Top Rank fights and for good reason. Arum still owes him a few million (Judah) and tried stopping him from fighting Hoya. I wouldn't put money in a mans pockets that tried stopping me from putting money in my pockets. Did I mention that Bob loves to fix fights?

Plus Ricardo Torres ran Cotto out of 140 after dropping him like a sack of shit. Look at Cotto's next two opponents after Torres! Branco and Malignaggi. GTF outta here with tat noise! Floyd would have whipped Cotto at any stage of the game.

FFW to 12:28 @

[Chollo Vista]

Floyd didn't say Cotto lives too far. You're referencing a video compilation made by a hater who cut a part out of an ESPN interview where Mayweather says Cotto lives in PR and yet doesn't sell PPV's, having a whole country behind him.

This is tiring subject that is talked about pretty much by clueless people that don't actually know anything about the situation.

So let me understand this. Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir were PPV attractions? Did Baldomir have all of Argentina behind him? And If you want to say Floyd fought the aforementioned because of the belts, guess what, Cotto had the WBA.

Secondly, go ahead and post the ESPN interview Mayweather did with Brian Kenney where he was talking about potentially fighting Cotto so we can all laugh at how ridiculous his rationale was.

[B Phontain]

I'm well aware of the counter offer Floyd made.

Who would've gotten Floyd more money? Judah, Baldomir or Cotto in 2007/2008?

That's right, Cotto lives too far.

He wanted more money for the cotto fight. They wouldnt give it to him. How is that a duck when by your own admission he would've made more money for it? Floyd is the only one who made an offer. Cotto never made an offer for Floyd. Saying the standard "who ever they put in front of me" doesn't hold weight when you never actually go after a fighter. But Floyd did. By your own admission Floyd did. How is that a duck? And why aren't you saying cotto ducked Floyd?

[Chollo Vista]

He wanted more money for the cotto fight. They wouldnt give it to him. How is that a duck when by your own admission he would've made more money for it? Floyd is the only one who made an offer

You're mixing up the communications. Floyd asked Arum for 10 mil for a package deal in 2005 to fight Cotto and Hatton. What part of "Floyd didn't want to fight Cotto and retired in 2007", don't you understand?

The title of this thread is Floyd ducked Cotto in 2008. Show me anywhere where I'm talking about 2005?

Cotto never made an offer for Floyd. Saying the standard "who ever they put in front of me" doesn't hold weight when you never actually go after a fighter.

How can you make an offer to fight a guy that's retired and has clearly said he wants no parts of Cotto. Don't believe me, hear it for yourself:

But Floyd did. By your own admission Floyd did. How is that a duck? And why aren't you saying cotto ducked Floyd?

Why are you purposely mixing 2005 with 2007?

Floyd asked for 10 mil guarantee to fight Hatton and Cotto in 2005. Arum said the money isn't there.

In Nov 2007, when Merchant asked Cotto if he would fight Mayweather, Cotto said this

@1:38, "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".



In Dec 2007, Mayweather's rebuttal to Cotto was this



But after Hatton beat Castillo and called out Mayweather in the post fight interview, Floyd called Ellerbe and told him "Make the fcuking fight with Hatton".

But when Cotto says he'll fight Floyd after Mosley, for some reason Floyd says "I don't want to call out no Welterweights. I've done everything I had to do in the sport of boxing. I will retire from boxing before boxing retire's me".

Very interesting dichotomy in reactions to the #1 JWW vs the #1 Welterweight

[Chollo Vista]

@6:40 Hatton calls out Mayweather



Floyd's immediate reaction was to contact Ellerbe and tell him to make the Hatton fight.

But when Cotto calls out Mayweather, here was Floyd's reaction:

[ironmt]

@6:40 Hatton calls out Mayweather



Floyd's immediate reaction was to contact Ellerbe and tell him to make the Hatton fight.

But when Cotto calls out Mayweather, here was Floyd's reaction:

Some of these guys can have direct video evidence and yet they still make excuses. You have to love this place.

[Robbie Barrett]

2010: Did Cotto duck Mayweather?
March 9th, 2010
By Alexander Fugate:

People first became interested in a Maywether-Cotto match-up around 2005 when both fought at 140 pounds. However, most thought Cotto still needed some more experience before stepping up to someone as good as Mayweather. This was pointed out by Chris Ackerman of Doghouseboxing.com on October 16, 2005 when he reported, “…no one in the Cotto camp is foolish enough to look for it (a fight with Mayweather) anytime soon. They know, as do most analysts, that Cotto has a lot of things to work on before he is ready for the likes of Floyd Mayweather.”

At the time Kosta Tszyu, Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayeather, and Arturo Gatti were all in the 140 pound division; Hatton retired Tszyu and Mayweather dismantled Gatti. Cotto never fought any of these fighters who sat atop the division he fought in.

A Mayweather-Cotto bout seemed inevitable in 2007 or 2008. At the end of 2006 Mayweather had unified the WBC, IBF, IBO, IBA, and Ring magazine championships and was the lineal champ. Despite all these titles, no offer came from Cotto.

Then after Mayweather defeated Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in 2007, he was considered the number one pound for pound fighter by every credible source and one of the biggest draws in boxing history. For Cotto a fight with Mayweather would have wielded him his biggest payday and with a win, recognition as one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, if not the best. However, Cotto never made any offer to Mayweather and instead, in January 2008, agreed to fight Alfonzo Gomez. Gomez was a journeyman who had appeared on The Contender television show, with amazingly few known opponents. This bout was scheduled on the undercard of Margarito-Cintron II. This was done to built up hype for a Cotto-Margarito showdown. Michael Swann of CBSsports.com reported, “No one expected Gomez to beat Cotto or even provide much of a challenge.” Mr. Swann went on, “Cotto needed a tune-up bout… in preparation for his July 26 meeting with the Kermit Cintron-Antonio Margarito winner.” So a month after Mayweather knocked out Ricky Hatton, Cotto had his next two bouts already planned, with neither of the opponents being named Floyd Mayweather Jr. This is an interesting move if Cotto really had any desire to face Mayweather. If Cotto was so intent on facing Mayweather why did he schedule his next two fights without attempting to get Mayweather in the ring with him first?

And as we all know, Margarito gave Cotto a gruesome beating; a beating many suspect Margarito accomplished through wrapping his hands with a plaster-like substance. Regardless of if Margarito cheated against Cotto or not, after that fight Cotto was in no condition to fight Mayweather. After beating Michael Jennings, Cotto won a controversial decision over Joshua Clottey that left most analysts with the believe that Cotto was damaged goods at best and shot at worst.

After Clottey, Cotto was quick to sign to fight Manny Pacquiao. This fight made him plenty of money, but Cotto was forced to weigh-in at 145 pounds, lighter than his normal weight. Cotto agreed to this catch-weight despite his well known history of severely struggling earlier in his career to make 140 pounds. Also, Cotto was only offered a 35% cut of the purse. Despite the big payday, Cotto suffered another beating and severely damaged his marketability.

Throughout his entire career, Miguel Cotto never made one offer to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. At 140 pounds, no one realistically thought Cotto was experienced enough for Mayweather and Cotto never fought any of the top four fighters at that weight. When Mayweather won numerous belts at 147, no offer was forthcoming from the Cotto camp. When Mayweather received a $15 million guarantee against Hatton, where was the $10-$20 million offer from Cotto? No where, instead he scheduled Gomez, and the winner of Margarito-Cintron II. If one actually looks at the facts, there is no argument to be made that Mayweather ever ducked Cotto. However, there can be a strong argument made that Cotto ducked Mayweather despite Floyd possessing numerous titles and a potential record payday for Cotto.

2012: While it seems that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum isn’t too excited about matching his fighter WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao up with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May, Arum also doesn’t appear to want Mayweather fighting one of his guys WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto. Arum told the Manila Standard “They are not going to get him [Cotto].”

Arum stated that Mayweather would have fought Margarito for the 8 million, but he wanted a guaranteed 10 million to fight Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton. Arum only guaranteed him 7 million. And for those who don’t know Cotto and Hatton were at the Mayweather-Gatti fight and Cotto was ranked number 5 by the ring at the time (Proof: Listen to the commentary Jim Lampley at the end of round 5) . Cotto had just moved up to the 140 pound weight class and he didn’t make an offer to fight Mayweather after the Gatti fight.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in. “That’s not in the cards,” Arum said. “He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold ’em and when to fold ’em. We’ll talk about things down the road.” Notice this part Arum was talking.

We need this on every page. Lets keep the truth visible.

[B Phontain]

You keep tryna stay with your narrative when so many people, even some who don't like Floyd, are giving you evidence to the contrary. 2005 Floyd was the number 1 P4p fighter in the world (Judah was #10p4p and #1 WW) him and cotto weren't even ranked in WW. By 2006 Floyd was still the number 1 P4p fighter in the world but beat The previous #1 WW in Judah and the man that beat him #2 carlos baldomir. Tried to neg a 7mill offer for margarito with an added 10mill for cotto, Was denied said fk it and Bought out his contract. Had the biggest fight in boxing history (at the time) with dela hoya, made 25 mill+ much better than the 10 mill for cotto. beat undefeated hatton who actively pursued the fight for ****s and giggles then retired as at this time he had bad blood with top rank who owed him money, most of the best fighters in WW were under top rank, had went 5 weight classes with no loss and had the biggest ppv of all time while making the most money he ever made at that point. He had nothing else to fight for at that time because he already got his prize...dela hoya....it was always dela hoya. He was calling dela hoya and Mosley out since 135. Cotto NEVER pursued a fight with mayweather even though they shared the same weight class twice, But mayweather tried to neg a fight for him and they thought cotto was too green at 140. After that 2008:

Cotto beat Gomez, lost to Marg
Margarito ko cintron, tko cotto, koed against mosley
Williams moves up...loses to a nobody
Mosley ko mayorga, ko margarito
2009 pac takes over. Beats cotto, ducks Mosley, Floyd beats mosely
And so on and so forth

[Chollo Vista]

We need this on every page. Lets keep the lies visible.

Fixed it for you.

Be my guest and put it on every page so I can show how I clearly debunked every lie written in that crap article

Who from the Cotto camp said this? This was Chris Ackerman providing his opinion on how people in the Cotto camp felt.



Here were the 2004, Ring Rankings:

Kostya Tszyu, Champion
Arturo Gatti
Vivian Harris
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Sharmba Mitchell
Miguel Cotto
Ricky Hatton
DeMarcus Corley
Lovemore N'dou
Jesse James Leija
Oktay Urkal

In 2004, FMJ beat Demarcus Corley. That's it.
In 2004, Cotto beat Sosa, N'dou, Pinto and Randall Bailey.

In 2005, here were Ring's Rankings:

Ricky Hatton, Champion
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo
Junior Witter
Carlos Maussa
Arturo Gatti
Vivian Harris
DeMarcus Corley
Lovemore N'dou

In 2005, FMJ beat Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.
In 2005, Cotto beat Corley, Abdullaev and Torres.

In summary, Floyd's JWW resume consisted of Bruseles, Gatti
and Demarcus Corely.

In summary, Cotto's JWW resume consisted of Martinez, Maussa, Sosa, N'dou, Pinto, Randall Bailey, Corley, Abdullaev, Torres, Branco, and Malignaggi.

Floyd's JWW resume isn't that much better than Cotto's; if at all. Cotto beat more JWW's. If you like to count Gatti as the end all be all, go ahead.

But explain how Mayweather was beating the top JWW's (plural), by beating Gatti, Corley and Bruseles?

In summary, whoever this author is, is lying.





At the end of 2006, Mayweather beat Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir at 147.

At the end of 2006, Cotto had the WBA by beating Quintana.

Mayweather unified, but wasn't undisputed. He would've had to beat Cotto to do that.



Mayweather beat Oscar at 154 and Hatton at 147. Notice Floyd didn't beat not one top Welterweight all year. Let's look at the Ring's top Welterweights at the end of 2007:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Antonio Margarito
Zab Judah
Kermit Cintron
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Jackson Osei Bonsu
Oktay Urkal

As it stands, in 2007, Mayweather beat Hatton and DLH. Mayweather did NOT beat 1 Top 10 Welterweight. Not one.

As it stands, in 2007, Cotto beat Urkal, Judah and Mosley. Cotto beat 3 top 10 Welterweights at the end of 2007.





Why is this guy lying?

@1:38, Cotto says "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".



This is the 2nd time that when asked about Mayweather, Cotto has said he will fight him along with anyone else at 147. Stop lying.



That's probably because in December 2007, here's what Floyd had to say regarding facing Cotto:



"I don't want to call out no Welterweights. I'm going to retire from the sport of boxing before the sport of boxing retires me".

It's kind of hard to negotiate with a retired fighter that made it quite clear to Larry Merchant that he wanted no part of Miguel Cotto when asked.




Again, in Nov 2007, Cotto said he would fight Floyd Mayweather:

@1:38, Cotto says "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".



In Dec 2007, Floyd Mayweather said this:

In December 2007, here's what Floyd had to say regarding facing Cotto:






Are you hard of hearing? Because Floyd Mayweather said this:



Was Cotto supposed to wait 2 years for Mayweather to come out of retirement before he fought again?



If Mayweather doesn't retire, Cotto vs Mayweather happens instead.



Cotto was in no condition to fight Mayweather because Mayweather was....... you guessed it, retired



Interesting that Mayweather fought Cotto 4 years after all this.



If we're talking 140 lb resume's:

Mayweather's resume looks like Gatti, Bruseles and Corley

Cotto's looks like this: Martinez, Maussa, Sosa, N'dou, Pinto, Randall Bailey, Corley, Abdullaev, Torres, Branco, and Malignaggi.

I think Cotto had the better JWW resume.

So again, why was Floyd "supposedly" ok with fighting Cotto in 2005, but not 2007?







Yeah, he won numerous belts by beating Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir in 2006. Floyd didn't fight not on Welterweight in 2007. Not one before retiring.




Maybe because Floyd said this:



along with Cotto lives too far and isn't a PPV star.






Yes, there is, he said it right here:






Last I checked, Cotto clearly said this

@1:38, Cotto says "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".






Lol think again. That post got destructed