Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

[BillyBoxing]

Joe and Kovalev are 2 completely different fighters.

You are looking at 2 completely different fights.

Yes, Andre had a very close fight with Kovalev.

Yes, he fought 20 rounds against him. Which means what? That he couldn't have beaten Joe?

What sort of logic is that?

Andre couldn't have beaten Joe over 12 rounds, because he took 20 to beat Kovalev across 2 fights?

It's nonsense.

How about me saying: How could Joe have beaten Andre, when he struggled with Reid, Hopkins and Bika?

It's obvious that a fight between them would have been extremely difficult for both fighters. But using the fact that Kovalev out boxed him at times as some sort of evidence that Joe would have won, is nonsense. Again, Joe was out boxed by much lesser fighters.

You got it all wrong, I never used that fact to argue that Joe would beat him, BUT, just to prove that Ward isn't some kind of unbeatable guy like a prime Roy or a prime Ali like most of his fanboys think he's.

[Cutthroat]

You got it all wrong, I never used that fact to argue that Joe would beat him, BUT, just to prove that Ward isn't some kind of unbeatable guy like a prime Roy or a prime Ali like most of his fanboys think he's.

Prime Roy got put on his ass by Lou Del Valle, Ali got put on his ass by Cooper a guy that in today's boxing would be a light heavy weight. Every fighter has flaws even the guys people think are invincible, same with guys like Mayweather (almost got put out by Corley, rocked by B level Maidana etc)

Ward is seriously underrated on these boards, he hasn't lost since he was 13 years old. He's shown very very very few flaws throughout his career. He voluntarily fought at LHW in the Olympics and even defeated a 6'5 Russian to win gold.

The string of power punchers he's fought and quality competition is insane. Miranda, Green, Abraham, Rodriguez, Barrera, Kovalev x2, Froch, Kessler, etc. I can't think of another fighter in boxing that has fought a string of power punchers like him.


Look at Joe's resume and you'll see the most dangerous guys he fought were Kessler, followed by Lacy and a bunch of no names. He's not on Ward's level at all.

[Zaryu]

For the longest time, I always felt like we didn't have enough yet to determine this, and I always gave Joe the benefit of the doubt. But adding now Ward's accomplishments at 175 and how he has looked, I give Ward the edge.

[BillyBoxing]

Because I watched Joe's career in it's entirety.


He killed himself to make SMW, coming down from 190 plus pounds, when he could have targeted bigger names and better fights at LHW.

He stayed at SMW for 14 years.

In the early 00's, he remained at SMW even though he knew that Ottke wouldn't fight a unification, and there were no other big fights on the horizon at the time.

He defended a lightly regarded WBO belt for 10 years, racking up 21 defences, where only 7 of those fights were mandatories.

He was happy to fight the Mkrtchyan's of the world, even in his 30's.

He wouldn't fight the likes of Tarver, Pavlik or Dawson, stating that they hadn't impressed him and they didn't warrant a fight. This was despite the fact that he was happy to fight guys like Manfredo and Bika, 2 reality TV fighters.

He wouldn't fight Roy Jones in his peak, stating that he didn't want tough fights, yet he was happy to fight him in 2008, after saying that he'd been washed up since 2004.

He was absolutely desperate to retire unbeaten.


That's how I know.

It's absolutely laughable to even suggest that he'd have fought a dangerous, prime LHW in Kovalev.

I agree that he possessed the physical qualities/attributes needed to have beaten Kovalev, but he sure didn't possess the mental strength that would have been required.

He would never have put his unbeaten record on the line against such a dangerous opponent.

He didn't take those kinds of risks, because he wasn't overly ambitious.

Yet fought and beat a man who beat them 120-108 during the same years??????
Just wait a minute bro and respect the man who had a great career.
Do you realize your own bias?

Calzaghe sure had the mental strenght to beat him.

He fought at 168 all the guy he could fight.

Eubank, Reid, Lacy, Mitchell, Kessler, Woodhall were no slouch and all world champions at 168.
Some were old, some weren't that good, but I don't think he was a duck.

Joe cleaned up in his area 168 except the Germans who didn't want to fight.

And still, Kessler beat Bayer, Mitchell got robbed in germany and beat Ottke.
Calzaghe beat both Kessler and Mitchell.

[BillyBoxing]

So what if he was a world champion?

He was a C class fighter.

His claim to fame was beating a faded Liles.

That was his only noteworthy win.

He was regularly beaten by other B and C class fighters.

Another, biased, unfair post from a now obvious Calzaghe detractor.

You're obviously talking about the end of his career when he was a stepping stone.



Mitchell beat Liles(a man who beat Nunn and Mercado) who was a solid WBA belt holder, Green, but also arguably Girard (a draw in Girard french hometown) and Ottke (lost by SD decision in germany and we all know what means SD vs Ottke in germany).

Mitchell was game never really had been beaten when he faced Joe, was twice a world champion at 168, and Joe stopped him in very few rounds, yet that wasn't an impressive performance...

[BillyBoxing]

Prime Roy got put on his ass by Lou Del Valle, Ali got put on his ass by Cooper a guy that in today's boxing would be a light heavy weight. Every fighter has flaws even the guys people think are invincible, same with guys like Mayweather (almost got put out by Corley, rocked by B level Maidana etc)

Ward is seriously underrated on these boards, he hasn't lost since he was 13 years old. He's shown very very very few flaws throughout his career. He voluntarily fought at LHW in the Olympics and even defeated a 6'5 Russian to win gold.

The string of power punchers he's fought and quality competition is insane. Miranda, Green, Abraham, Rodriguez, Barrera, Kovalev x2, Froch, Kessler, etc. I can't think of another fighter in boxing that has fought a string of power punchers like him.


Look at Joe's resume and you'll see the most dangerous guys he fought were Kessler, followed by Lacy and a bunch of no names. He's not on Ward's level at all.

Yeah, but he didn't got outboxed by Del Valle.

[BillyBoxing]

Prime Roy got put on his ass by Lou Del Valle, Ali got put on his ass by Cooper a guy that in today's boxing would be a light heavy weight. Every fighter has flaws even the guys people think are invincible, same with guys like Mayweather (almost got put out by Corley, rocked by B level Maidana etc)

Ward is seriously underrated on these boards, he hasn't lost since he was 13 years old. He's shown very very very few flaws throughout his career. He voluntarily fought at LHW in the Olympics and even defeated a 6'5 Russian to win gold.

The string of power punchers he's fought and quality competition is insane. Miranda, Green, Abraham, Rodriguez, Barrera, Kovalev x2, Froch, Kessler, etc. I can't think of another fighter in boxing that has fought a string of power punchers like him.


Look at Joe's resume and you'll see the most dangerous guys he fought were Kessler, followed by Lacy and a bunch of no names. He's not on Ward's level at all.

I know both record very well and Joe definitely has a better one IMO.
If you disagree that's fine.

Had to bring up Miranda, Green, Rodriguez, Barrera and talking about a bunch of no names for fckin sake...

[Cutthroat]

Yeah, but he didn't got outboxed by Del Valle.

He still got put down pretty hard by a guy that arguably wouldn't even crack top 30 in today's light heavy scene. If that was a punch from Kovalev, Stevenson, Beterbiev, Bivol, Gvozdyk even Joe Smith, Jones would've been out cold.

That's the equivalent of Ward getting dropped by a guy like Brand, and if that happened people would be shytting all over him for it.

[Cutthroat]

I know both record very well and Joe definitely has a better one IMO.
If you disagree that's fine.

Had to bring up Miranda, Green, Rodriguez, Barrera and talking about a bunch of no names for fckin sake...

Miranda, Green, Rodriguez, Barrera, no names? They're better than Lacy and he's top 3 win on Joe's resume lol.

By age 25 Ward was already dismantling Kessler, Joe's career defining W. Joe's been dropped/hurt by journeymen and guys who's power do NOT compare to the guys I listed.

[BillyBoxing]

He still got put down pretty hard by a guy that arguably wouldn't even crack top 30 in today's light heavy scene. If that was a punch from Kovalev, Stevenson, Beterbiev, Bivol, Gvozdyk even Joe Smith, Jones would've been out cold.

That's the equivalent of Ward getting dropped by a guy like Brand, and if that happened people would be shytting all over him for it.

He got dropped by Darnell Boone, who was not really top 30 either.