Camacho JR v.s J C Chavez JR

[K-DOGG]

Rosario....check; but Chavez beat Edwin in far more convincing fashion.

Ramirez....check; got to give Hector his due here. That win of his over Jose was far more impressive than Julio's.

Okay let's see. Hector's A list:


Jose Luis Ramirez...impressive

Edwin Rosario......not impressive

Cornelius Boza Edwards....impressive

Rafael Limon.....impressive

Ray Mancini....after layoff of 4 years, and still a close and dull fight....not impressive

Vinny Pazienza.....impressive, unless you accept that Paz was overrated....oh, it's true.

Greg Haugen......lost....Greg was at his best at 135, not 140.

Greg Haugen......not that impressive of a win; but Greg is a tough cookie

Julio Caesar Chavez......Hector took the Mother of All Beatings

Felix Trinidad........'nother beating; but Hector's on the skids

Oscar De La Hoya......'nuther beating; but Hector is old.




I won't even mention the Chris Walsh fight.


Okay, here's the problem. Hector could have faced Mancini before Ray retired....didn't. Also, didn't give Rosario a rematch. With Hector, he soon realized the gravy train was passing him by and then he started to beat the war drums and demand fights.....'cause he wanted the money.

Wins over an old Duran, an old Leonard, an overrated Vinny Pazienza, and Greg Haugen do not a great fighter's resume make.

Hector beat the second tier of guys, not the top....except in his youth; and he just didn't do enough over the course of his career to warrant the title of All time Great. Not to me.

[K-DOGG]

and you can say he ran from haugen and got a gift decision, that i belive was later changed to a lose

chavez could have ko'd ramierez in the 1st round if he wanted too but they were friends and chavez clearly took it easy on him, i don't know how camacho did against ramierez

chavez destroyed rosario, one side demolishion, camachos style changed after facing rosario, but i haven't seen camacho v. rosario

but you make a good point, but differnce is chavez ran through these guys unlike camacho, but i think camacho will get into the hof

Now THAT's a post. Props.....I forgot about Ramirez and Chavez being friend; but you're right. I remember that now. Julio did seem like he was pulling his punches that night. I wish I still had it on tape.

[IwatchBoxing]

and you can say he ran from haugen and got a gift decision, that i belive was later changed to a lose

chavez could have ko'd ramierez in the 1st round if he wanted too but they were friends and chavez clearly took it easy on him, i don't know how camacho did against ramierez

chavez destroyed rosario, one side demolishion, camachos style changed after facing rosario, but i haven't seen camacho v. rosario

but you make a good point, but differnce is chavez ran through these guys unlike camacho, but i think camacho will get into the hof

blah blah, chavez is king of gifts. We can go through all his questionable decsions if you want to too.

[ferocity]

blah blah, chavez is king of gifts. We can go through all his questionable decsions if you want to too.

go ahead and start it off, im interested to hear opinons

[machotime]

blah blah, chavez is king of gifts. We can go through all his questionable decsions if you want to too.

Although JCC is one of my favorite fighters, I have to agree with you, he has been gifted several decisions.

Its funny how ferocity is saying that Camacho looked better against Ramirez than JCC did bc JCC was Ramirez's freind, so he took it easy on him. Hector humiliated Ramirez. Styles make fights, and Ramirez was just not smart enough to do anything agains Hector.

[IwatchBoxing]

Kdog- Chavez faced Camacho after Edwin and Greg Haugen, and after he became a crackhead. Maybe he changed his style after Edwin, but that doesnt say much sense his one of Chavezs biggest wins.

[ferocity]

Although JCC is one of my favorite fighters, I have to agree with you, he has been gifted several decisions.

Its funny how ferocity is saying that Camacho looked better against Ramirez than JCC did bc JCC was Ramirez's freind, so he took it easy on him. Hector humiliated Ramirez. Styles make fights, and Ramirez was just not smart enough to do anything agains Hector.

i got this fight on cassete, and its evident chavez was holding back if you want to trade fight i'll upload chavez v. rosario and you upload camacho v. rosario, i'll email you the link and you do the same

[ferocity]

Kdog- Chavez faced Camacho after Edwin and Greg Haugen, and after he became a crackhead. Maybe he changed his style after Edwin, but that doesnt say much sense his one of Chavezs biggest wins.

i think that win was all dollars and sense, camacho got 1 million dollars and chavez got 1 million dollars while king pobably got 20 million

[machotime]

i got this fight on cassete, and its evident chavez was holding back if you want to trade fight i'll upload chavez v. rosario and you upload camacho v. rosario, i'll email you the link and you do the same

I know what Chavez did to Rosario, its what Camacho did to Ramirez what I am talking about.

[ferocity]

I know what Chavez did to Rosario, its what Camacho did to Ramirez what I am talking about.

and i don't know, so i'd like to see for myself. and if you don't think chavez was holding back against ramirez then we disaggree