Camacho JR v.s J C Chavez JR

[K-DOGG]

Oh, on a side note. If there is any justice in this world, Hector Camacho will not be in the Hall of Fame. But, seeing as how there are already some fighters in there that don't belong, I imagine they'll have a display case set aside for his running shoes as well.

[Bonafide]

Judging by your Avatar and Username, I can see why you would say that; but I disagree....very strongly.

Camacho had the talent to be a legend and an all-time great; but he failed. He never was the same after the Rosario fight...and he's a two time paper titlist (jr. lightweight and lightweight), not a six time world champion. Those belts mean nothing and you know that as well as I do. Beating Ray Mancini after Boom Boom's 4 year layoff does not constitute a title fight of any kind...and really set the standard for the WBO's importance or lack thereof.

Then...there's that all time great Todd Foster and the IBC Welterweight Championship. I really don't need to elaborate on this one.

Then he beat an 80 year old Roberto Duran (he was seriously 44 years old) for the Vacant IBC Middleweight Championship...and several thought Duran won that fight, btw.

And his 6th "world title" was the coveted IBC jr. Middleweight championship he won from the great Tony Menefee... Oh yeah, him. Tony at that time was best known for winning a 6 Round Decision over Reggie Strickland two fights before who had a record of 43-185-12. It was the fourth meeting beteen the two.

These are how the "Macho Man" acquired his "championship gold".


Now, should I start listing who he's lost to and how? No, I don't want to be mean. I remember reading one of your posts where you said he was kind of a friend of yours, so I'll stop with this.....he is the biggest waste of talent I've seen. Once Rosario awakened his fears within, he never again showed the promise as he did in his youth. Damn shame, really.

I never liked the guy either but give the man "some" credit.
dayum dude. At least he had some defence ! lol

[ferocity]

That's the weird thing, and something I never could figure out. Judging by the beating he took against Chavez, Trinidad, and De La Hoya, I know he's got heart cause he never quit despite having his ass handed to him on a silver platter.

The only thing I can figure is it must be pride. He's never been knocked out and he's proud of that....and is not afraid to run shamelessly to keep from entering the dream room for a count of 10.

true. it hardly gets said, but camach has a great chin. he's taken some murdereous shots from some heavy punchers and still was on his feet for the last bell.

[ferocity]

Oh, on a side note. If there is any justice in this world, Hector Camacho will not be in the Hall of Fame. But, seeing as how there are already some fighters in there that don't belong, I imagine they'll have a display case set aside for his running shoes as well.

i've seen fighters get in that didn't even win a title, but got in with could ofs if he fought so and so. camacho at least has a title

[machotime]

Judging by your Avatar and Username, I can see why you would say that; but I disagree....very strongly.

Camacho had the talent to be a legend and an all-time great; but he failed. He never was the same after the Rosario fight...and he's a two time paper titlist (jr. lightweight and lightweight), not a six time world champion. Those belts mean nothing and you know that as well as I do. Beating Ray Mancini after Boom Boom's 4 year layoff does not constitute a title fight of any kind...and really set the standard for the WBO's importance or lack thereof.

Then...there's that all time great Todd Foster and the IBC Welterweight Championship. I really don't need to elaborate on this one.

Then he beat an 80 year old Roberto Duran (he was seriously 44 years old) for the Vacant IBC Middleweight Championship...and several thought Duran won that fight, btw.

And his 6th "world title" was the coveted IBC jr. Middleweight championship he won from the great Tony Menefee... Oh yeah, him. Tony at that time was best known for winning a 6 Round Decision over Reggie Strickland two fights before who had a record of 43-185-12. It was the fourth meeting beteen the two.

These are how the "Macho Man" acquired his "championship gold".


Now, should I start listing who he's lost to and how? No, I don't want to be mean. I remember reading one of your posts where you said he was kind of a friend of yours, so I'll stop with this.....he is the biggest waste of talent I've seen. Once Rosario awakened his fears within, he never again showed the promise as he did in his youth. Damn shame, really.

So i guess his wins against the 27 year old Jose Luis Ramirez, His win over Rosario, Edwards, Paz, and Haugen don't count?

BY the way his 3 legit losses, were to 3 huge legends of the sport in DLH, Chavez, and Tito. And he was 35 when he fought the 24 year old DLH.

[Violent Demise]

Judging by your Avatar and Username, I can see why you would say that; but I disagree....very strongly.

Camacho had the talent to be a legend and an all-time great; but he failed. He never was the same after the Rosario fight...and he's a two time paper titlist (jr. lightweight and lightweight), not a six time world champion. Those belts mean nothing and you know that as well as I do. Beating Ray Mancini after Boom Boom's 4 year layoff does not constitute a title fight of any kind...and really set the standard for the WBO's importance or lack thereof.

Then...there's that all time great Todd Foster and the IBC Welterweight Championship. I really don't need to elaborate on this one.

Then he beat an 80 year old Roberto Duran (he was seriously 44 years old) for the Vacant IBC Middleweight Championship...and several thought Duran won that fight, btw.

And his 6th "world title" was the coveted IBC jr. Middleweight championship he won from the great Tony Menefee... Oh yeah, him. Tony at that time was best known for winning a 6 Round Decision over Reggie Strickland two fights before who had a record of 43-185-12. It was the fourth meeting beteen the two.

These are how the "Macho Man" acquired his "championship gold".


Now, should I start listing who he's lost to and how? No, I don't want to be mean. I remember reading one of your posts where you said he was kind of a friend of yours, so I'll stop with this.....he is the biggest waste of talent I've seen. Once Rosario awakened his fears within, he never again showed the promise as he did in his youth. Damn shame, really.

Camacho ain't the only one who claims to be champion in numerous divisions but really isn't. Go look at Ray Leonards claims

[K-DOGG]

Camacho ain't the only one who claims to be champion in numerous divisions but really isn't. Go look at Ray Leonards claims

Trust me, I'm just as hard on Leonard and every other embelishor of the truth.

[machotime]

true. it hardly gets said, but camach has a great chin. he's taken some murdereous shots from some heavy punchers and still was on his feet for the last bell.

Chavez punished Macho, and Macho refused to quit, with both eyes shut, barely being able to see, he refused to have the towel thrown in on him. He took a beating that night, but he stood up like a man and never gave up. If that is not heart, what is.

And yes you are right, his chin was great.

[K-DOGG]

So i guess his wins against the 27 year old Jose Luis Ramirez, His win over Rosario, Edwards, Paz, and Haugen don't count?

BY the way his 3 legit losses, were to 3 huge legends of the sport in DLH, Chavez, and Tito. And he was 35 when he fought the 24 year old DLH.

LOL!!! Dude, I'm not a hater. Of course the wins over Rosario, Edwards, Ramirez, and Haugen mean something. I just like to separate reality from "sur-reality".

[K-DOGG]

i've seen fighters get in that didn't even win a title, but got in with could ofs if he fought so and so. camacho at least has a title

Yup. It's a travesty, really. (all the fighters in the Hall who don't belong)