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ironmt.....
feel free to admit that I was right when I stated that pacfans should NEVER accuse Mayweather of.....
* steroid abuse
* cherry-picking
* weight-manipulationComment
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Pacquiao probably feeling betrayed right now and don't know who to trustComment
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As I have said all along, If you are going to make accusations against one of them, you better be willing to point the finger at the other one also.Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
Does the following sound like someone who's main objective Is to "CLEAN UP THE SPORT"
1. Floyd Mayweather illegally used an IV hours after his weigh in for the fight with Manny Pacquiao on May 1st. The contracted collection agent for the USADA went to Mayweather's house in Las Vegas to conduct a random unannounced drug test and found evidence of an IV being administered to Mayweather.
2. IVs are often used by athletes for rehydration purposes or to flush unwanted substances in their bloodstream.
3. The USADA told the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) , which had jurisdiction over the fight, claims the USADA told them the IV was administered for rehydration purposes.
4. There were two mixes in Mayweather's IV, one containing saline and a multivitamin, the other saline and vitamin C. The ingredients were not illegal, but IV administration is, as per the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Floyd Mayweather was inexplicably granted retroactive immunity for this by the USADA.
5. The USADA has extremely secretive testing practices."The organization has resisted filing its boxer drug-testing contracts with governing state athletic commissions. On several occasions, New York and Nevada have forced the issue. Compliance has often been slow in coming.When asked to identify the boxing matches for which a USADA drug-testing contract was filed with either the New York or Nevada State Athletic Commissions, Travis Tygart declined through a spokesperson (USADA senior communications manager Annie Skinner) to answer the question."
6. There is another major drug testing agency in America, the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA). VADA uses more sophisticated testing techniques than USADA. "Unlike USADA, VADA utilizes carbon isotope ratio (CIR) testing on every urine sample it collects from a boxer. USADA often declines to administer CIR testing on grounds that it’s unnecessary and too expensive. Of course, the less expensive that tests are to administer, the better it is for USADA’s bottom line."
7. Floyd Mayweather is promoted by Al Haymon, and Al Haymon has a history of paying substantially to use USADA's services. For perspective, VADA received $16,000 for the April 18, 2015, 140lb fight between Ruslan Provodnikov and Lucas Matthysse, whereas the USADA was given $150,000 as an upfront fee for the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight.
8. Disturbingly, boxer Erik Morales tested positive for Clenbutrol, a banned substance before fighting Danny Garcia back in 2012. There are two samples used in drug tests, A and B. If an athlete tests positive on the A sample they have a right to ask for the B sample in case of a false positive. Morales tested positive in both the A and B samples on at least two separate test, meaning he tested positive for clenbutrol four times. The USADA did not adequately notify the New York State Athletic Commission of these tests, and the fight proceeded.
9. Floyd Mayweather's relationship with the USADA is extremely troubling. The USADA claims to test athletes all year round, but has not done so with Mayweather, instead testing him after his fights are announced. In the case of Andre Berto, this was only 39 before the fight.
10. According to experts the benefits of drug use peak after the athlete has stopped using with certain substances carrying benefit for several months. Testing Mayweather within those 39 days was pointless given any banned substance would not be present in his bloodstream. Why did Mayweather announce his fight with Berto so late?
11. When negotiating the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight, the USADA presented Manny Pacquiao with a contract stating that they could grant retroactive the****utic use exemption to the fighters should they test positive for a banned substance.
12. Pacquiao's camp was outraged and refused to sign the contract, believing Mayweather could game the system.
13. A new agreement was reached, but the protocol was not followed when it was discovered Mayweather used an IV the day before the fight, and the Nevada Athletic Commission wasn't notified for 20 days after the fight. Mayweather was also inexplicably granted a retroactive the****utic use exemption by the USADA.
14. There have been several instances when more sophisticated testing not used by the USADA were appropriate for Floyd Mayweather. On at least two occasions, Mayweather's testosterone to epitestosterone levels have been surprisingly low, a red flag that should initiate further testing. There is no public record of the USADA performing any other tests despite understanding full well that Mayweather's TE ratio was highly irregular.
15. 16. A rumor spread through the drug testing community on May 20, 2012 that Floyd Mayweather had failed three separate drug tests.
It was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights).
17. In response to this rumor, Manny Pacquiao - who Floyd Mayweather had accused in public of steroid abuse - served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy (Mayweather’s co-promoter), and USADA demanding they produce all documents relating to PED testing of Mayweather for his fights against Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and Miguel Cotto.
18. These documents were never produced and have never been made public.
19. Manny Pacquiao's legal team had sued Mayweather for defamation over his PED allegations, and as part of the settlement, Mayweather not only publicly stated that none of his team had any evidence that Pacaquiao had used PEDs, according to Hauser's sources settled for "substantially" more than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected. The terms of the settlement were confidential and are not a matter of public record.
20. Manny Pacquiao wanted to use VADA for their proposed fight, but Mayweather insisted on the USADA. Given Mayweather's higher dollar value he got his way. While VADA does proper year round testing, the USADA does not - a fact that undermines Mayweather's claim that he submits to proper Olympic style testing. Mayweather has always touted this testing of his as Olympic-style testing and the gold standard of testing. And that is not what Floyd Mayweather is doing and he has never done Olympic-style testing.
21. The latest revelation in regards to his bout with Pacquiao is also shrouded in mystery, and the inconsistencies with Mayweather's narrative is again, extremely troubling. Yesterday (Sep 16th), USA Today obtained a memo from the USADA responding to Mayweather's IV use. Here is how they reported it:
A USADA Doping Control Officer (DCO) came to Mayweather’s home on May 1 to collect a urine sample, however Mayweather was dehydrated and unable to produce one. A paramedic was summoned to Mayweather’s home and provided the IV, with the DCO in Mayweather’s presence until the boxer was able to provide a urine sample.
Mayweather applied for a the****utic-use exemption and it was granted after the fight. Such an exemption is not required by NSAC since pre-fight IVs are not banned. In fact, it is a common practice among athletes licensed to fight in Nevada.
22. This story does not make sense for a number of reasons. Firstly, Floyd Mayweather weighed in at exactly 146lbs, 1lb underneath the 147lb weight limit for his fight with Manny Pacquiao. 1lb is a significant amount of weight at the highest levels of professional boxing, and if Mayweather had any problems making the weight, he would have been much closer to the 147lb limit. Furthermore, Mayweather weighed only 150.5lbs 30 days out from the fight, an indication that a cut to 147lbs or just under would not be any trouble at all.
23. If Mayweather was so dehydrated that he needed an IV, one would logically expect his weight to rise significantly after receiving fluids via an IV. Mayweather reportedly received 750 milliliters of fluid via IV. According to Dr. Flip Homansky, the former Nevada State Athletic Commission’s chief physician, 2 liters of fluid delivered via IV results in 6lbs of bodyweight "immediately." 750 milliliters would have added 2.25lbs to Mayweather's weight, putting him at the very least at 148.25lbs after the IV (and no doubt more given Mayweather would have consumed a significant amount of fluids immediately after the weigh in).
24. In a video interview posted by Fight Hype on May 5th 2015, 3 days after the fight with Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather revealed that he weighed 149lbs on the night of the fight.
25. "Going into the fight he [Manny Pacquiao] weighed 152, I weighed 149," said Mayweather. "The Las Vegas...Nevada Commission checked my weight. I was 149, and I ate a lot."
26. This does not make any sense at all. If Mayweather had any troubles making weight, it would have been evident in the amount of weight he put on in between the weigh in and the night of the actual fight. Given fighters Mayweather's size have been known to put on up to 20 lbs after weigh-ins, one would expect a significant amount of difference on the night of the fight. Mayweather put on 3lbs, and that was after eating "a lot."
27. There is no way of knowing why Mayweather used an IV though, primarily because Mayweather has a history of not answering questions he doesn't like, and the USADA has shown itself to be totally unprofessional and potentially corrupt. Can we take the USADA's statement about Mayweather's IV use as the truth? The Daily Banter contacted Thomas Hauser, and he provided us with the following statement (in the interest of full disclosure, this writer has worked professionaly with Hauser several years ago for the boxing site Secondsout.com):
28. If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure that's on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s "Prohibited Substances and Methods List".
29. The Daily Banter also spoke with Sean Kneebone, a former Olympic track and field sprint coach with a great deal of experience preparing elite athletes for peak performance and navigating drug testing protocol.
30. "I find it hard to believe that Floyd Mayweather's team would have allowed this to happen, particularly given the magnitude of the fight and who he was facing," said Kneebone. "You don't go into a fight with Manny Pacquaio and mess up something as basic as cutting weight. As far as we know, Mayweather has never had problems making the 147lb limit, so at the very least, this is a red flag that warrants further investigation."
31. "This seems unusual, because I've never heard of an IV being used to get a urine sample," continued Kneebone. "Give him a bottle of water and wait 45 minutes and you'll get your urine sample. If an athlete is using an IV to produce a urine sample, this is very big red flag. This doesn't make sense to me."
32. "Olympic-style" testing doesn't allow the athlete to decide when testing begins and ends or provide a retroactive hall pass for PED use. Mayweather-style testing, apparently, does just that. He should be ashamed, and the USADA, which reportedly allowed itself to administrate this farcical testing, should be too.
33. According to Mayweather's contract with the group, they are allowed to grant him retroactive permission for any illegal substance they might find in his system
No wonder Floyd wasn't Interested In harsh penalties for positive PED tests.Comment
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Originally posted by ironmt View Post
in that childishly long-winded post, you admitted that.....
1) the IV was..... " the first time In his career "
2) the IV was..... supervised by USADA
3) Mayweather was blood-tested immediately prior to the IV
CONCLUSION:
there is absolutely nothing su****ious whatsoever about that IV
LMAOComment
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Go back and read, I have said that all along. Your own words buried you long ago. I can bring them up If you would like.Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Postyou finally smartened up
gratz ^^
I told you that pacstains should never mention.....
* steroid abuse
* cherry-picking
* weight-manipulation
you're welcome
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Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
Bwhahahahahah.
This idiot doesn't even understand what he is posting. Just random ****. All headlines, no substance.
33% misinformation 33% false statements 33% speculation.
90% directly from the same source :Thomas Hauser.
Look at #1 and #21 is two different versions of the same event. Did the DCO find evidence of an IV or was the DCO present the whole time?
Damn this pact@rd lost. Badly. Almost feel bad for the guy but he asked for it.
Lmao crying about me constantly bringing up peds so much his vagina is sore.
Ironguy is trash. Zero substance. Incapable of processing information and forming his own opinion. Just copy and paste.Comment
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I think you should stop debating them man. You have too much integrity to have waste time on them.Originally posted by ironmt View Post
And you should have stopped replying when their replies were literally just.
"lalalala I can't hear you, Pacquiao drug cheat, PACF4G"Comment
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A childish long winded post full of facts that you can't refute. Well since there was nothing su****ious about the IV, which most people would disagree, how about this..........Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
1. Both sides are claiming one won ‘t fight the other. Both are also saying the other fighter is the one not making the fight happen. But if we dig deeply, carefully remove and sift through the dirt and look for evidence, we will conclude, it is Floyd Mayweather Jr who is clearly without a doubt preventing this fight from happening.
2. It is his contradictions, false promises, and endless lies that has given it away. We all remember Floyd Jr’s telling the sports world, he compares himself to the great civil rights leader Malcolm X and Dr Martin Luther King Jr by crusading for better drug testing.
3. When both Floyd Mayweather Jr and Shane Mosley agreed to take Olympic Style Drug Testing, we all believed they will be subjected to the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing.
4. One of the most intriguing pieces of data, both Shane and Floyd each took only 3 blood tests just before the fight and it ended 18 days prior to the fight.
5. So why is that significant? Well, we were all led to believe the purpose of random blood testing was to deter taking any possibility of PEDs all the way up to the fight.
6. We also thought both fighters will each have to submit at least 8 random blood test. It seems Floyd did not have single problem ending Shane’s blood testing 18 days prior to the fight
7. Floyd was comfortable with the idea with known steroid user Shane Mosley not being blood tested 18 days prior to the fight. Kind of risky, don’t you think?
8. Manny agreed to the demands and basically wanted the same treatment and consideration Shane got. But according to Floyd Jr, it is not good enough
9. It was good enough for steroid user Shane Mosley but not good enough for Manny Pacquiao who has never failed a single test for PEDs.
I guess Floyd meant what he said when It came to fighting a prime Pacquiao...........
“My health is more important. I come first. Self-preservation. I gotta worry about my family. If the fight don’t happen, so be it.”Comment
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