Comments Thread For: Roach: Not Sure If Pacquiao is Mad at Me - I Haven't Been Paid

[aboutfkntime]

"If your Intentions are to clean up the sport as Mayweather has always proclaimed, why Is It ******? Maybe because he needed that IV for the first time In 48 professional fights. LOL, your entire argument above Is PEDS, PEDS,PEDS, yet when Pacquiao Insisted on harsh penalties to be handed out If either guy's test came back positive, It Is suddenly ******.

don't be so ******

Mayweather was full-of-it when he made that claim

he was grand-standing, in typical Mayweather fashion

otherwise, he would insist that HIS fighters are tested

the ONLY reason why Mayweather insisted that Pacquiao - and then all of his future opponents - undertake random blood tests..... is because he was convinced that Manny was juicing

and Pacquiao could have proved him wrong by simply taking the test

you questioned the guy who asked, but ignored the guy who refused..... which makes you a b1tch

and you never did answer my question.....

..... which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

..... you know, the 8 ridiculous excuses that miraculously disappeared once Pac decided to cash out?

tell us why YOU think Pacquiao refused the random blood tests?

[aboutfkntime]

put an IV In his arm for the first time In his career.

FACT: Mayweather was tested immediately prior to that IV




that incident is..... " the first time In his career "

AND, it was supervised by USADA

so..... hardly su****ious at all




and yet, you completely ignored this.....

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned




2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?

so, we have covered the cherry-picking, and the steroids.....
..... are you ready to move on to the weight manipulation yet... ?

your problem is obvious.....

[ironmt]

don't be so ******

Mayweather was full-of-it when he made that claim

he was grand-standing, in typical Mayweather fashion

otherwise, he would insist that HIS fighters are tested

the ONLY reason why Mayweather insisted that Pacquiao - and then all of his future opponents - undertake random blood tests..... is because he was convinced that Manny was juicing

and Pacquiao could have proved him wrong by simply taking the test

you questioned the guy who asked, but ignored the guy who refused..... which makes you a b1tch

and you never did answer my question.....

..... which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses did you believe ?

..... you know, the 8 ridiculous excuses that miraculously disappeared once Pac decided to cash out?

tell us why YOU think Pacquiao refused the random blood tests?

I already buried you long ago b!tch. Time to move on to someone who can actually debate with facts. Your answers below clearly show that we are on two different levels.


Below Is your responses to the above provided facts. The responses are comical yet shows that you had absolutely no clue how to respond to the facts provided to you. When someone resorts to calling names as their primary response, they have clearly lost

and btw, pac-trash has SEVEN LOSSES !!

no, wait..... that would be 8 or 9 losses if you count what REALLY happened in the Marquez fights

I will say it again..... SEVEN LOSSES !!

you are a dirty lying piece-of ****

a dirty lying piece of pac-****

and listen to the rest of the pac-f@gs chime in.....

oh yea bro, you sure did tell him

you dopey inbred pacstain......

you fkn moron

so what ****-for-brains

you ***wit

listen you dopey inbred

you are a fool

just to prove what a pac-f@g you are.....

what the fk was pu55y-Pacquiao scared of ?

who cares- again

so what, fights don't pan out all the time This comment actually buried your entire argument and you are the one who made It.

so fkn what

you fkn F@GGOT

who cares you crybaby b1tch

what a dishonest piece-of-****

***-tard..... this is what Marquez did to Pacquiao.....Why are you bringing up Marquez when we are discussing Floyd and Manny?

EIGHT LOSSES !!

a silly pacf@g is running around telling lies, again. Not really, just things you don"t want to hear.

you got exposed. Actually you got that mixed up. I think you look like you are the one who was exposed.

fk'ing loser !!

ironmt talked ****

You were easy work. LOL.

You are right, Mayweather Is ****ing full of. Just like the 4-5 ******ed fans that he has on this board.

Pacquiao had 8 excuses, I think I provided you with 11 from Floyd.

[ironmt]

Just remember the following facts you little Floyd ****er.





Floyd didn't want anything to do with a prime Pacquiao, as a matter of fact this Is what he had to say.

“Health is more important than anything," “Because guess what? When my career is over, if I’m hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can’t come to you and say, ‘I need (money).

“My health is more important. I come first. Self-preservation. I gotta worry about my family. If the fight don’t happen, so be it.”

Do the above statements sound like a guy that was eager to fight a prime Manny Pacquiao?

The first negotiations fell apart but later that very same year.........

http://nesn.com/2010/06/manny-pacqui...sting-demands/

I also provided you with the link that clearly shows that Floyd was obligated to pay Pacquiao 114,00 for refusing to be questioned by Pacquiao's attorneys. Remember, you said I made that up?

http://nypost.com/2012/09/19/mayweat...famation-case/

You also claimed that I made up the fact that Floyd gets Injections of XYLOCAINE which acts as a PED due to numbing of the hands. Here Is that link also............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAIQBcpHpSs From 1:39 on It Is particularly Interesting because Mayweather Is directly named as someone that has been Injected.

Fact......Floyd promised Margarito that he would fight him in the future when it made smarter business sense. Before that Floyd said he’d fight Margarito any time any where just as long as Bob Arum showed him the money.

Fact......Floyd said after the Mosley fight he wanted to fight the best, just line ’em up. Floyd has said numerous times he doesn’t duck or dodge anyone. Floyd called Miguel Cotto a “punching bag” and said that Cotto knew he couldn’t beat me, but when Cotto challenged Floyd to a fight in 2008, Floyd backed out and had Ellerbe tell the New York Post that Cotto’s PPV numbers weren’t good enough.

Fact.......While desperately trying to duck Margarito with all his excuses and reasons in 2006, Floyd did not once ever insinuate or imply that Margarito was a cheater. But last week on Sirius Radio Shade 45 with DJ Whoo Kid, Mayweather revised his own duck tales and claimed he tried his best to alert the boxing world that Margarito was a cheater.

Fact..........In 2005, Mayweather called out Winky Wright. The details were hammered out: the bout would be at 154lbs but weigh-ins would be the morning of the bout rather than the day before and Wright would not be allowed to gain more than eight pounds between weighing in and the start of the contest. But Mayweather and Bob Arum suddenly pulled out, demanding changes to the purse-split and other such things until the bout was dead in the water. He chose to take on Sharmba Mitchell instead.

Fact............In 2007-08, Cotto was the next best welterweight in the world behind Mayweather. Instead of fighting Cotto he signed to fight a pointless rematch with De La Hoya. Mayweather ducked the 2007-2008 Cotto period.

Fact.............Castillo should have been given the victory In the first fight

Fact..............Oscar and Mosley were both on the downsides of their career. Same logic applies when Pacquiao fought them.

Fact..............The Hatton bout was at 147lbs rather than 140lb, where Hatton was more effective.

Fact..............Marquez had never fought above the 135-pound lightweight limit before fighting Floyd at 144 pounds. Mayweather was fined $300,000 per pound for weighing 146 pounds.

Fact........When asked about his advantages over opponents, Floyd told Tribune.com.ng, “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.

Fact..........Floyd fought Cotto when he was past his best. Same logic applies to Pacquiao.

Fact........... Floyd forced Canelo to fight at a catch weight.

Fact.........Floyd Mayweather says he did NOT beat his baby mama in 2010 -- despite the fact he was CONVICTED -- claiming the woman has been lying through her teeth for years.

Fact...... Floyd told Brian Kenny he’s never seen Pacquiao fight (Floyd himself told me directly years earlier that Pacquiao was one of his favorite fighters to watch, “He packs a helluva punch,” said Floyd.)

Fact.........Floyd claims he Isn't racist, "It's total disrespect and today he came out and did it again," Mayweather said. "I don't care if it's white women, black women, white men, black men, Asian, Latina or Latino -- you don't disrespect people. Yet says the following, "As soon as we come off vacation, we're going to cook that little yellow chump. I'll make that mother f----- make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice."

Who has this man legitimately beat that was a prime fighter that he didn't force a catch weight on or who wasn't weight drained?

The two fights that you claim make Mayweather's resume equivalent to Pacquiao's(Canelo and Marquez) were fought at catch weights that benefited Floyd. Yes, the Marquez fight benefited Floyd being that It was his first fight above 135 pounds. So again, who on Floyd's resume tops Morales and Barrera?

Stating that the fight fell through due to testing Is beyond ridiculous. Floyd wanted nothing to do with a prime Pacquiao and his very own comments justify that fact.

Floyd's excuses

1. Manny isn't good enough
2. PPV numbers
3. Pacquiao has lost and I'm undefeated
4. I was dominating in the 90s. Where was Pacquiao in the 90s?
5. He fights my leftovers
6. Bob Arum
7. I'm concerned for my safety and family
8. Pacquiao wont take the drug test
9. 40 million flat fee
10. Leonard Ellerbe Denies Any Negotiations Ever Took Place
11. Mayweather Says Pacquiao Must Be on PEDs Because of His Rise Up the Scale. Floyd fought at the same weight at the same age as Pacquiao and has had a nearly identical rise up the scale. So If Pacquiao was on PEDS wouldn't that mean Floyd was also?

Number 11 Is particularly telling. There Is no way of blaming one unless you are willing to point the finger at the other.

Mayweather has gone down the EXACT same road as Pacquiao. Mayweather started at the EXACT same weight Pacquiao started at when they were both the same age. In other words, they both fought from 106 pounds up to 154 pounds.

Think about that, It pretty much puts an end to the PEDS debate, other than Floyd Injecting PEDS Into his hands.

[aboutfkntime]

I already buried

you buried your head up your ass, when you ignored these posts

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned




2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?

so, we have covered the cherry-picking, and the steroids.....
..... are you ready to move on to the weight manipulation yet... ?

A truly great fighter leaves more answers than questions, but Pacquiao has left more questions than answers. Questions like.....

* Could Pac have beaten Zahir Raheem, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Soto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Campbell, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Casamayor, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Guzman, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten any top lightweight, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a top jww, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Hoya, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Hoya at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Cotto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Cotto at 147, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Margarito, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito with 10oz gloves, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a Clottey that fought back, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a genuine jmw, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Mosley, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a past-prime Mosley when he first had the chance back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Ortiz (a guy who laid hands on him in sparring - Roach named that session as "the best sparring ever", a guy who beat a fighter who Arum admitted was on Pac's own shortlist, and a guy who was ranked higher than any welter Pac has ever fought), cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac beat JMM now at 140 (Pac's best weight, according to Manny), cuz he will not allow that to happen, 145lbs (a weight that Manny has never made himself ) was the deal-breaker? *** me, that is absurd.

* Could Pac have beaten Martinez for that vacant WBC title, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac beat Martinez at 150 now ("I will fight anyone at 150" ~ Manny Pacquiao), cuz he dont want none? Pac? Manny? Where'd that guy go?

* Could Pac beat Mayweather, cuz he hasnt?

* Could Pac pass Olympic Style Drug Testing, cuz he dont want none?

Jeez dude, that is one helluva shopping list full of unanswered questions about a supposedly great fighter.

I mean, that list is not complete either, **** we can go right back to fly, could Pac have beaten Too Sharp? Why didnt that fight happen, just like at lw, jww, and welter?

kid, EVERYONE else read those posts

and, EVERYONE else noticed that you ignored them




you are my b1tch, until proven otherwise

[aboutfkntime]

Just remember the following facts .....

this is the ONLY relevant fact to come from this debate.....

[Dosumpthin]

Ironic that you say my posts do not require thought, yet with all of the facts and contradictions I provided, you could not respond without using the word PEDS and the other member aboutfkntime who started this entire argument looked as bad as you, If not worse. He must have went Into hiding because he hasn't been on the board to respond In a few days.

It says a lot when a page of Information Is provided and your only response Is to accuse Pacquiao of PEDS. Floyd paid Pacquiao a seven figure settlement for such allegations that were obviously unfounded. Pacquiao has been a professional fighter for around 22 years and In those 22 years has not had one drug test come back positive.

In the biggest fight of Mayweathers career, the man who wanted to clean up the sport, refused harsh penalties for positive test results so that he could put an IV In his arm for the first time In his career.

You don't want to bring up peds anymore?

Ok.





































BWGAHAHAHAHAA

NOPE.** THATS ALL WE GONNA TALK ABOUT.** MOTHAFUGGIN PEDS.


Question: Why do you accuse Floyd of using xylocaine but ignore Mannys own use of xylocaine. Can you explain this?




Lidocaine, also known as xylocaine and lignocaine is a medication used to numb tissue in a specific area and to treat ventricular ...


Answer the question.

[Dosumpthin]

Ironic that you say my posts do not require thought, yet with all of the facts and contradictions I provided, you could not respond without using the word PEDS and the other member aboutfkntime who started this entire argument looked as bad as you, If not worse. He must have went Into hiding because he hasn't been on the board to respond In a few days.

It says a lot when a page of Information Is provided and your only response Is to accuse Pacquiao of PEDS. Floyd paid Pacquiao a seven figure settlement for such allegations that were obviously unfounded. Pacquiao has been a professional fighter for around 22 years and In those 22 years has not had one drug test come back positive.

In the biggest fight of Mayweathers career, the man who wanted to clean up the sport, refused harsh penalties for positive test results so that he could put an IV In his arm for the first time In his career.

Question:

defamation refers to a false statement, either spoken ("slander") or written ("libel") that injures someone's reputation. However, some types of false statements are considered so damaging that they are deemed defamatory on their face ("defamation per se"). This is in contrast to "defamation per quod" where the false statement is not inherently defamatory and has to be evaluated in the context of additional facts. Generally, for defamation per se, the statements are presumed harmful whereas for defamation per quod the damage must be proven.

In 2009, Manny Pacquiao initiated a lawsuit claiming defamation per se that included Roger Mayweather for stating that he used a form of Meth as a PED.



"That mother***** is on the A-side meth, that's what the f*** he's on," "It's called the A-side meth. He on that or he on something else. The A-side meth is what they used to have 500 years ago. Remember when the Philippines were fighting the US soldiers? They were shooting them motherf****s with 45s. And 45s were bouncing off their motherf****ng a$$. They weren't even dying!" -- Roger Mayweather

There is no way Roger could prove the allegations therefore it is considered slander. There is no such thing named ASIDE meth. He was wrong about history and The type of meth. But he was right, Manny I need uses meth as a pro. The only available proof at that time that I am aware of was a movie titled "Pacqiauo: The Movie" in 2006 in which Manny was battling Meth addiction following his 2nd career loss.
Don't think a movie script would fly in this case. They were going to lose defamation per se.

However, given Manny Pacquiaos public admission to using METH up until he became champion in 2016, do you think Roger Mayweather initial claim was justified?


Answer the question.

[Dosumpthin]

Ironic that you say my posts do not require thought, yet with all of the facts and contradictions I provided, you could not respond without using the word PEDS and the other member aboutfkntime who started this entire argument looked as bad as you, If not worse. He must have went Into hiding because he hasn't been on the board to respond In a few days.

It says a lot when a page of Information Is provided and your only response Is to accuse Pacquiao of PEDS. Floyd paid Pacquiao a seven figure settlement for such allegations that were obviously unfounded. Pacquiao has been a professional fighter for around 22 years and In those 22 years has not had one drug test come back positive.

In the biggest fight of Mayweathers career, the man who wanted to clean up the sport, refused harsh penalties for positive test results so that he could put an IV In his arm for the first time In his career.

Question: It has been confirmed and a well documented fact that Manny Pacquiao has used METH, TORADOL, COKE ,BUPIVACAINE, and LIDOCAINE/XYLOCAINE - each known for their ability to mask pain and can be abused even it it is considered a legal substance - as a PROFESSIONAL fighter. However this was not public knowledge until after 2015......

With that said......

.......Did you even watch Pacquiao vs Cotto or Maragarito? Two stronger bigger opponents. Notice anything about Mannys defense? How he handled his opponents straights?





Answer each question. Stop deflecting.

[aboutfkntime]

You don't want to bring up peds anymore?

Ok.





































BWGAHAHAHAHAA

NOPE.** THATS ALL WE GONNA TALK ABOUT.** MOTHAFUGGIN PEDS.


Question: Why do you accuse Floyd of using xylocaine but ignore Mannys own use of xylocaine. Can you explain this?




Lidocaine, also known as xylocaine and lignocaine is a medication used to numb tissue in a specific area and to treat ventricular ...


Answer the question.

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