Comments Thread For: Roach on Pacquiao: We Don't Want a Fight a Guy Like Crawford

[ironmt]

Did I post Morales was shot? Please discuss my post. What you are doing is making up something I said and trying to create a false pretense for the discussion.

Morales was battered by Raheem and would''ve been KTFO had Raheem had any power. Added to that, he had to get back down to 130 which he stuggled to make (which is why he went up to fight raheem). Arum and the matchmakers already had the rematch with Morales signed so they fought, manny won, he never fought raheem.

Why are you pretending I am attempting to diminish his resume. You responded to my post about Crawford relative to Manny. I then responded to that post. Pretending that I posted "Morales was shot" or that I am " trying to diminish manny's resume" is dishonest of you.

The points I made a accurate and fair. Just because they are not flattering to Manny shouldn't cause you to react like this.

Why would Pacquiao fight Raheem when his loss was to Morales? Why wouldn't he want to redeem himself after the loss? If Arum kept him away from Morales type fighters why did he fight him 2 more times and If Manny was unsuccessful with those type of fighters how did he end up knocking Morales out In two out of the three fights?

Again, you Initially claimed that Pacquiao was kept away from fighters that had a longer reach and had boxing ability, so once again I am asking you how many opponents Manny faced that he had an advantage on when It comes to reach?

"I don't know" Is not a good answer following such a ridiculous claim.

[The Big Dunn]

Why would Pacquiao fight Raheem when his loss was to Morales? Why wouldn't he want to redeem himself after the loss? If Arum kept him away from Morales type fighters why did he fight him 2 more times and If Manny was unsuccessful with those type of fighters how did he end up knocking Morales out In two out of the three fights?

Again, you Initially claimed that Pacquiao was kept away from fighters that had a longer reach and had boxing ability, so once again I am asking you how many opponents Manny faced that he had an advantage on when It comes to reach?

"I don't know" Is not a good answer following such a ridiculous claim.

Same reason Floyd fought Baldomir when he beat zab-beat the guy who beat the guy you were signed to fight.

I explained why-because Morales got destroyed by Raheem and went back down in weight. Arum realized that boxers would give Manny trouble (something confirmed in the JMM fights) but that add the longer reach, you have a fighter that can avoid and neutralize Manny's power and speed. Morales left a lot in the ring in the Raheem fight-the fact he was 2-7 after that fight illustrates this.

I answered this. You are again parsing the point and purposely changing it. I said he avoided boxers who could box and move AND had a longer reach. I pointed out the guys he did fight and didn't so there would be no confusion.

You changed this to suggest I said he avoided opponents with a longer reach, which I didn't post or imply. That is why I said I don't know.

[danceswithfire]

keep throwing manny under the bus freddie, you idiot!

[ironmt]

Same reason Floyd fought Baldomir when he beat zab-beat the guy who beat the guy you were signed to fight.

I explained why-because Morales got destroyed by Raheem and went back down in weight. Arum realized that boxers would give Manny trouble (something confirmed in the JMM fights) but that add the longer reach, you have a fighter that can avoid and neutralize Manny's power and speed. Morales left a lot in the ring in the Raheem fight-the fact he was 2-7 after that fight illustrates this.

I answered this. You are again parsing the point and purposely changing it. I said he avoided boxers who could box and move AND had a longer reach. I pointed out the guys he did fight and didn't so there would be no confusion.

You changed this to suggest I said he avoided opponents with a longer reach, which I didn't post or imply. That is why I said I don't know.

Morales left a lot in the ring in the Raheem fight-the fact he was 2-7 after that fight illustrates this.

The fact that Morales was not the same has more to do with being knocked out by Manny In two of those seven losses and coming back at the tail end of his career after a three year lay off. Yet he was still able to give Maidana all he could handle with many thinking he pulled It off.

Arum realized that boxers would give Manny trouble (something confirmed in the JMM fights)

Is that why Manny Is up In the series 2-1-1? In reality, If not for a judges admitted error Pacquiao would be up 3-1.

[The Big Dunn]

Morales left a lot in the ring in the Raheem fight-the fact he was 2-7 after that fight illustrates this.

The fact that Morales was not the same has more to do with being knocked out by Manny In two of those seven losses and coming back at the tail end of his career after a three year lay off. Yet he was still able to give Maidana all he could handle with many thinking he pulled It off.

Arum realized that boxers would give Manny trouble (something confirmed in the JMM fights)

Is that why Manny Is up In the series 2-1-1? In reality, If not for a judges admitted error Pacquiao would be up 3-1.

Come on dude, Maidana beat him up good. True but remember he couldn't KO JMM despite 3 KD's and gave up a huge lead. Many people thought he lost the 2nd fight. More than half the writers/scorers thought he lost the 3rd fight.

you can keep shifting the discussion but the point remains-he didn't fight these guys.

[Mammoth]

Crawford would embarrass him

[ironmt]

Come on dude, Maidana beat him up good. True but remember he couldn't KO JMM despite 3 KD's and gave up a huge lead. Many people thought he lost the 2nd fight. More than half the writers/scorers thought he lost the 3rd fight.

you can keep shifting the discussion but the point remains-he didn't fight these guys.

Morales put up an excellent fight.


From the fourth round on wards and although he was effectively fighting with one eye, Morales gave as good as he got and was landing the cleaner more effective shots, albeit occasionally being swarmed by the sheer number of punches being landed in return by the relentless Maidana. The fight became a see-saw affair and then, in the eighth round, Morales hit Maidana with a huge left hook that almost stopped the Argentinian. The next couple of rounds continued in this fashion, with Maidana using his strength and stamina to bully Morales and the Mexican using his sharper punching and ring intelligence to land effective counters and combinations. The fight was fast turning into a modern classic.


The fact of the matter Is, Pacquiao should be 3-1 against Marquez right now.

[The Big Dunn]

Morales put up an excellent fight.


From the fourth round on wards and although he was effectively fighting with one eye, Morales gave as good as he got and was landing the cleaner more effective shots, albeit occasionally being swarmed by the sheer number of punches being landed in return by the relentless Maidana. The fight became a see-saw affair and then, in the eighth round, Morales hit Maidana with a huge left hook that almost stopped the Argentinian. The next couple of rounds continued in this fashion, with Maidana using his strength and stamina to bully Morales and the Mexican using his sharper punching and ring intelligence to land effective counters and combinations. The fight was fast turning into a modern classic.


The fact of the matter Is, Pacquiao should be 3-1 against Marquez right now.

Some feel he should be 0-4. I think he is 2-2 (i had him losing the 1st and obviously he got KTFO). If you feel he didn't have tough fights with JMM, so be it.

[-Kev-]

True. Roach isn't lying here, and he isn't wrong in avoiding TC, there's nothing to be ashamed of. Why would Arum/Roach put Pac in there with a beast like TC when he just had a close fight with an underdog Horn, who brawled him to a decision?

Crawford is probably the second best fighter right now after Ward, regardless of where Ring or TBRB has him. And Pacquiao is probably not even top 15 right now. Just two fighters in completely different points in their careers and the fight makes a lot of sense for TC and no sense for Pacquiao. Pac should focus on a farewell fight against a very decent fighter from 140 with a name like Ricky Burns or a past prime fighter with a name like Humberto Soto.

[aboutfkntime]

if mayweather can beat canelo at 37 then im guessing the fighter of the decade at 38 can beat a 140 pounder right?

I know that you are just taking the opportunity to get in some well-placed kicks..... and good for you ..... but yea, Pac should go out on his terms, whomever he selects

Crawford is bad style for Manny, especially at this point.

he should rematch Horn, then fight a local in the Phillies

yeah man i love exposing these boxing double standards! just a few months ago people were telling mayweather a 40 yr old to fight GGG! Now they are scared for manny the saltwater excuse god to fight a 140 pounder hahaha! you see how that works?

whoah !!

I remember that..... now that you mention it

they were actually calling Mayweather a coward

and there is definitely some truth in your first post as well

damn..... maybe Pacquiao should fight Crawford ?????

whaddya say, pac-tard's..... ?