Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

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  • hugh grant
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    #81
    Yes, rjj is greater. Rjj could give yoiu advantasges and it didnt matter to him he'd still beat you. Floyd triued to get all things in his favour?
    Yoiur supposed to give advantages away a and still win. That's how greatness is earned.
    Floyd's always been about instant gratification. Not concerned about long run or conseqences. Similar to a man so desperate to make love to a woman even though she has hiv. For instant gratification but regretting it only after act.
    Last edited by hugh grant; 07-05-2017, 03:22 AM.

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    • NaijaD
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      #82
      Originally posted by robertzimmerman
      Nobody cared about the WBO in the late 90's-early 00's. They were a laughing stock, and the Ring didn't even acknowledge them.


      The issue with Dariusz, was:

      He'd been stripped of the WBA and the IBF belts that he'd won from Virgil Hill.

      They were made vacant and were won by Lou Del Valle and Reggie Johnson. Then Roy beat the both of them to add to his WBC belt. Which made Roy the unified LHW champ. But Dariusz hadn't lost the belts in the ring. So understandably, everyone wanted Roy and Dariusz to fight, to establish who the true champion was. Personally, I think Roy was on another level, and I think he'd definitely have beaten him. But the fight should have happened. But neither guy would make concessions in order for it to happen.
      I have no doubts Roy would have beaten him but the fact is Roy wasn't undisputed at LHW..... he was the consensual best at the weight but he wasn't undisputed.

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        #83
        Originally posted by NaijaD
        I have no doubts Roy would have beaten him but the fact is Roy wasn't undisputed at LHW..... he was the consensual best at the weight but he wasn't undisputed.
        That's correct.

        I think if he'd have fought and beat Hill first, he would have been though. Because I don't think anybody would have acknowledged Dariusz's WBO belt back in the late 90's.

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        • djtmal
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          #84
          Roy. Or you can call him RJ.

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          • pasawayako
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            #85
            If floyd didn't cheat or use PEDS then i will put him above roy.

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            • The Big Dunn
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              #86
              I think Floyd is the greater boxer but Roy at his peak was unbeatable and Roy gets extra credit for winning the hwt title. Tough debate.

              They are both ahead of manny so I understand why the manny fans are voting Roy.

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                #87
                I'm very very sorry to burst your bubble but fighters aren't judged only on their accomplishments of their prime years. They are judged on the accomplishments and failures of their entire prime years.

                Case in point RJJ's epic fail when he was 28 years old and in his prime. He lost a fight for unsportsmanlike conduct. He lost control and hit a man that was down. His judgement was below professional, below championship, and for all of you to brush this incident under the carpet is just hypocritical of all of you.

                Therefore Floyd Mayweather Jr. ranks above RJJ in the all time P4P ranking

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                • robertzimmerman
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Street
                  I'm very very sorry to burst your bubble but fighters aren't judged only on their accomplishments of their prime years. They are judged on the accomplishments and failures of their entire prime years.

                  Case in point RJJ's epic fail when he was 28 years old and in his prime. He lost a fight for unsportsmanlike conduct. He lost control and hit a man that was down. His judgement was below professional, below championship, and for all of you to brush this incident under the carpet is just hypocritical of all of you.

                  Therefore Floyd Mayweather Jr. ranks above RJJ in the all time P4P ranking
                  So Floyd ranks above Roy for that one incident?

                  Roy was rightfully disqualified, but he was on the verge of stopping Griffin, and we know that Griffin theatrically feigned being knocked out. We then saw what happened in the rematch.

                  There's a ton of factors you'd need to analyse before you ranked these 2 fighters.

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                  • hugh grant
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                    They are both ahead of manny so I understand why the manny fans are voting Roy.
                    You are always saying why you bringing up Floyd this debate has nothing to do with Floyd?

                    Well this is nothing to do with PAC. Why you talking about PAC?

                    PAC is greater than rjj and Floyd.. Rjj said PAC is no4 all time. This is before PAC lost to Floyd. No, Floyd fanboy, Floyd beating PAC don't make him greater silly billy. Neither does jmm koing PAC or hoirn robbing PAC.
                    Last edited by hugh grant; 07-05-2017, 07:17 AM.

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                    • IMDAZED
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by NaijaD
                      I have no doubts Roy would have beaten him but the fact is Roy wasn't undisputed at LHW..... he was the consensual best at the weight but he wasn't undisputed.
                      He was undisputed. The WBO wasn't considered a major title then.

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