Comments Thread For: Frank Warren: Ward-Kovalev Ending Unsatisfactory, Trilogy Needed

[Boxing Logic]

If what you are saying is accurate, then please answer these two questions for me. Why was Kovalev much more fatigued earlier than usual in the rematch?

Because he's a 34 year old whose style relies on punch output. Just like Pacquiao (without the speed and angles, different weight class etc). If Ward threw that many punches he would have gassed too, but his style relies on fouling and holding and potshotting, so he can still be effective into his 30s. All the fighters have figured this out which is why no one wanted to fight Kovalev or GGG until their mid 30s, but somehow dumb fans still haven't figured out how they're being conned?

Wise up bro!

[Metho_4u]

no. he's a idiot just like you. i'm sure he doesn't want to be apart of your weak ass hateful racism. continue to enjor your deteriorating inside to the out.

This! Lmao!

[Boxing Logic]

Kovalev needs Alex Ariza or Memo Hernandez to work on Stamina without it theres no sense in rematch

I've been saying this too. While the Russian amateur system seems to be better at teaching boxing SKILL now (certainly clean boxing, anyway), the American fighters are still lightyears ahead when it comes to science, and beating PED tests, and using the most up to date training methods.

Floyd used vampire facials, hyperbaric chambers, God knows what else. Ward had acne all over his back so he probably used PEDs, but we know for a fact he uses altitude chambers.

At the very top level of the sport, if fighters like Kovalev want to reach #1 P4P despite the judges and refs being against them, you're not going to reach that pinnacle training in the woods, or doing normal ****. The top 5 pound for pound level of the sport, especially when you're competing against corrupt/juiced American boxers for it, is not the "run around the woods" level of the sport. No, that is the vampire facial level of the sport. That is the hyperbaric chamber level of the sport. That is the ice baths level of the sport. That is the "cut 15 pounds in 30 hours and then rehydrate back up 25 pounds over the next 24 without losing speed or stamina" level of the sport.

Certain American fighters have the scientists in their camp who know how to do that. Kovalev supposedly a "big" light heavyweight fighting below 190 on fight night CLEARLY does not. He should be fighting between 195 or 200, then guys like Ward would not be taking his shots all night without hitting the canvas once. But when Ward knows how to rehydrate up close to 200, and you only know how to rehydrate up to 185 or 188, he's going to be able to negate your power just with pure size. And that's what happened. Kovalev walked Ward into even better jabs in the second fight than the one that staggered him in the first fight, but Ward didn't even stagger, because he had added 10 pounds between the last fight and this fight, and used the Danny Jacobs re-hydration tricks that worked so well against GGG earlier this year.

Until the European fighters catch up not just in skills, which has already happened, but in science, they may still beat the top American fighters, like Kovalev-Ward I, but they will never dominate them enough to get the decision, and they will never be able to knock them out and take it out of the hands of the judges so long as they are fighting at 10 pound weight disadvantages in the ring. If Kovalev and Klimas are smart, he has already called Ariza or Memo.

I mean, Egis owns the gym in Oxnard now, which is precisely where Ariza used to work with Robert Garcia's fighters. So Ariza is even in that area, it would work very well. But, they have to be smart enough to make the call.

[DinoCop]

There is no point in a 3rd unless it takes place outside the usa. Robbery, ball tko and constant fouls, next gonna be high kick KO by ward.

[Hatesrats]

This chit is over... S.O.G. Finished this rivalry. On to bigger & better thangz for Ward.
Kovalev is the past.

#AlwaysForwardNeverBackward******!

[champion4ever]

Until the European fighters catch up not just in skills, which has already happened, but in science, they may still beat the top American fighters, like Kovalev-Ward I, but they will never dominate them enough to get the decision, and they will never be able to knock them out and take it out of the hands of the judges so long as they are fighting at 10 pound weight disadvantages in the ring. If Kovalev and Klimas are smart, he has already called Ariza or Memo.

What are you are saying is fundamentally sound but a lot of Eastern European bloc fighters aren't comfortable working with people they don't very well outside of their own culture. They have a mistrust for Americans in general and with these new scientific and technological advances in particular.

Their thinking is why mess with a successful formula? They will just rather ride or die with what got them there through their amateur years and what they have learned from their boxing coaches than change regiments. For instance, Kovalev recently trashed the American trainer and conditioning methods just prior to his rematch with Andre Ward.

[Boxing Logic]

What are you are saying is fundamentally sound but a lot of Eastern European bloc fighters aren't comfortable working with people they don't very well outside of their own culture. They have a mistrust for Americans in general and with these new scientific and technological advances in particular.

Then their mistrust is completely misplaced. If they were going to be mistrusting, they should have been mistrusting working in a gym full of black Americans from the hood. I don't know JDJ or Don Turner or any of those guys personally, but you saw how JDJ went full turncoat in this camp, even though he tried to save face. These are former fighters who came up during the cold war. They probably had rivalries with Russians from the time they were kids in the amateurs. I'm not stereotyping black people in general at all, but we see the culture now in black American boxing specifically that is one of the most racist cultures around.

So I mean, why wouldn't Kovalev trust Memo or Ariza? What do Mexican strength and conditioning coaches who would probably LOVE to make their name and take it to the next level with a piece of clay like Kovalev have against Russians? We've seen what they've done with less powerful guys, just imagine what they could do with Kovalev. How is Kovalev not going to trust them, but you're going to trust guys from a much more anti-white, anti-Russian culture than them?

Again, I don't know JDJ or Don Turner or any of those guys, I'm just saying if you base it off what we're seeing from the black American boxing culture, and you combine that with JDJ turning turncoat, then you can at least make some educated guesses. JDJ looked positively beaming after Kovalev lost. And when Duva and Klimas were rightfully complaining about the fouls and corruption at the post fight press conference, Turner was off giving an interview about how ****** they were, and Kovalev lost etc etc. BOTH Jackson AND Turner seemed to be sticking up more for Ward after the fight than Kovalev.

So what you're saying makes no sense. You're going trust black American boxers who came up in a very racist, anti-Russian era and are part of a subculture (black American boxing) known for being extremely ignorant and racist, but you're not going to trust Ariza or Memo? I don't get that at all. As Virgil Hunter and Wad both said, "we knew everything that was going on in Kovalev's camp." Huh I wonder why? Just like Floyd, another black American fighter, always knew everything going on in his opponent's camps. Huh!

[Metho_4u]

I've been saying this too. While the Russian amateur system seems to be better at teaching boxing SKILL now (certainly clean boxing, anyway), the American fighters are still lightyears ahead when it comes to science, and beating PED tests, and using the most up to date training methods.

Floyd used vampire facials, hyperbaric chambers, God knows what else. Ward had acne all over his back so he probably used PEDs, but we know for a fact he uses altitude chambers.

At the very top level of the sport, if fighters like Kovalev want to reach #1 P4P despite the judges and refs being against them, you're not going to reach that pinnacle training in the woods, or doing normal ****. The top 5 pound for pound level of the sport, especially when you're competing against corrupt/juiced American boxers for it, is not the "run around the woods" level of the sport. No, that is the vampire facial level of the sport. That is the hyperbaric chamber level of the sport. That is the ice baths level of the sport. That is the "cut 15 pounds in 30 hours and then rehydrate back up 25 pounds over the next 24 without losing speed or stamina" level of the sport.

Certain American fighters have the scientists in their camp who know how to do that. Kovalev supposedly a "big" light heavyweight fighting below 190 on fight night CLEARLY does not. He should be fighting between 195 or 200, then guys like Ward would not be taking his shots all night without hitting the canvas once. But when Ward knows how to rehydrate up close to 200, and you only know how to rehydrate up to 185 or 188, he's going to be able to negate your power just with pure size. And that's what happened. Kovalev walked Ward into even better jabs in the second fight than the one that staggered him in the first fight, but Ward didn't even stagger, because he had added 10 pounds between the last fight and this fight, and used the Danny Jacobs re-hydration tricks that worked so well against GGG earlier this year.

Until the European fighters catch up not just in skills, which has already happened, but in science, they may still beat the top American fighters, like Kovalev-Ward I, but they will never dominate them enough to get the decision, and they will never be able to knock them out and take it out of the hands of the judges so long as they are fighting at 10 pound weight disadvantages in the ring. If Kovalev and Klimas are smart, he has already called Ariza or Memo.

I mean, Egis owns the gym in Oxnard now, which is precisely where Ariza used to work with Robert Garcia's fighters. So Ariza is even in that area, it would work very well. But, they have to be smart enough to make the call.

The Russians are the ones who came out with PEDS in the first place you bonehead.

[Metho_4u]

Because he's a 34 year old whose style relies on punch output. Just like Pacquiao (without the speed and angles, different weight class etc). If Ward threw that many punches he would have gassed too, but his style relies on fouling and holding and potshotting, so he can still be effective into his 30s. All the fighters have figured this out which is why no one wanted to fight Kovalev or GGG until their mid 30s, but somehow dumb fans still haven't figured out how they're being conned?

Wise up bro!

So wait, who's been ducking golovkin? Ward was going to fight him, but they wanted 164...froch? Even old and retired they wanted 166 because he could still knock the **** out of golovkin...canelo? He just made 17 million or so fighting Chavez, I don't give a **** about the belts, so don't bother bringing that up...if you believe canelo ducked him...fine. who ducked kovalev? Once again, it wasn't ward, because he beat him twice. Stevenson? Apparently he wasn't the one ducking him, but the other way around. Pascal didn't mind fighting him twice. Neither kovalev, nor golovkin are special fighters. If golovkin was, he'd have gone up instead of wasting his career in a **** division, and fooling people like you into believing he was some REAAAAALLLLY scary guy...send his ass to 168, where he could really prove himself. It's 1 whole division up, but he couldn't even do that to at least show he was interested in fighting REAL quality guys. That's why imo he's barely top 10 p4p imo. That HBO hype machine is working overtime for you all though.

[MrRolltide91]

No trilogy...